GhostWhoVotes reports a federal Nielsen poll to be published in tomorrow’s Fairfax broadsheets will show the Coalition, unchanged on last month. More to follow.
UPDATE: GhostWhoVotes further relates the primary votes are Labor 35 per cent (up one point), Coalition 43 per cent (steady) and Greens 13 per cent (down one), and the poll also shows support for gay marriage at 57 per cent and opposition at 37 per cent.
UPDATE 2: The poll finds little change in the leaders’ personal ratings. Julia Gillard is stable on both approval (54 per cent) and disapproval (39 per cent), while Tony Abbott is up two on approval to 47 per cent and down two on disapproval to 48 per cent. Gillard’s lead as preferred prime minister is 53 per cent (steady) to 40 per cent (up a point). The Coalition leads as best party to handle interest rates (47 per cent to 33 per cent) and create greater competition between the banks (46 per cent to 32 per cent). Fifty-five per cent now believe the government should serve a full term, against 42 per cent who would like a new election as soon as possible.
UPDATE 3: Essential Research also has the Coalition leading 51-49, for the third week running. Julia Gillard’s approval rating is at 43 per cent, down two on a month ago, and her disapproval up one to 38 per cent, while Tony Abbott is up a point on approval to 40 per cent and down five on disapproval to 40 per cent. Gillard’s lead as preferred prime minister has narrowed from 49-33 to 45-34. There are also questions on viewing of sport on free-to-air and pay television, presumably apropos of the anti-siphoning issue – although opinions on this are not engaged directly.
Gusface
[Posted Monday, November 22, 2010 at 4:55 pm | Permalink
b_g
there is no use telling you as you will never be in there league
take that rhetoric and shove it where it fits
🙂 ]
Oh well. 🙂
[498 William BowePosted Monday, November 22, 2010 at 4:55 pm | PermalinkFrank, your frequently stated conviction that elections are decided by radio stations that target a narrow demographic of hardcore non-swinging voters is rather stupid.
]
William,
You seem to have forgotten Howard Sattler and his Rally for Justice haven’t you.
That was straight out of Gobbels and it worked.
[Frank CalabresePosted Monday, November 22, 2010 at 4:58 pm | Permalink498 William BowePosted Monday, November 22, 2010 at 4:55 pm | PermalinkFrank, your frequently stated conviction that elections are decided by radio stations that target a narrow demographic of hardcore non-swinging voters is rather stupid.
William,
You seem to have forgotten Howard Sattler and his Rally for Justice haven’t you.
That was straight out of Gobbels and it worked
]
A small reminder:
http://aso.gov.au/titles/documentaries/demons-drivetime/clip2/
I sometimes forget that PB is the place where people are meant to spend all day agreeing with each other. I should try and get with the program better.
[Spin the rhetoric all you like, I don’t believe a word you say. It just advertising
mumbo jumbo designed to deceive and it shows.]
Which is exactly what the opposition does, and it works. Reference the blog above – they are in front – why?
[I should try and get with the program better.]
That’s be right, leave me hanging.
🙂
[Spin the rhetoric all you like, I don’t believe a word you say. It just advertising
mumbo jumbo designed to deceive and it shows.]
Actually Aristotle saw rhetoric as the search for truth when the facts are contested. He saw it as a noble pursuit.
Space Kidette@499
Why SK – He is the enemy ! 🙂
And he is trying every trick in the book to con people under the cover of
*public communication*. Its manipulation 101 he is attempting to pull off.
Don’t be fooled.
Frank, if you think Labor lost the subsequent state election because of Howard Sattler’s Rally for Justice, you’ve forgotten a hell of a lot more than I have.
[William BowePosted Monday, November 22, 2010 at 5:04 pm | PermalinkFrank, if you think Labor lost the subsequent state election because of Howard Sattler’s Rally for Justice, you’ve forgotten a hell of a lot more than I have
]
It was but one factor in the equation.
[Why SK – He is the enemy ! 🙂
And he is trying every trick in the book to con people under the cover of
*public communication*. Its manipulation 101 he is attempting to pull off.
Don’t be fooled.]
Yep, I am trying to bring down the government by suggesting they should put more thought into what they say and how they say it. And by getting the people on PB talking about they are falling into my trap. At which point Julia Gillard will be so demoralised by her loss of support on PB that she will fall on her sword.
See you all later. This was informative AND fun!
blue_green@508
Conning and manipulation is NOW a *noble pursuit*. No wonder you are a
conservative. But it’s not working, you are very easily seen through.
Nonsense. You are just another conservative trying to big mouth yourself.
[510 William BowePosted Monday, November 22, 2010 at 5:04 pm | PermalinkFrank, if you think Labor lost the subsequent state election because of Howard Sattler’s Rally for Justice, you’ve forgotten a hell of a lot more than I have.
]
Nom, but you do remember it resulted in the “Three Strikes” legislation which subsequently was shown to be invalid.
That is what I’m referring to – the power to influence the Govt to bring in flawed legislation.
Sattler used, and as he himself admitted in the clip felt quite uneasy at the power he had and it’s consequences.
dave,
That assumes we don’t know what he is trying to do! But he is good for one point only – testing our BS meters 😆
And speaking of Alan Aones:
http://aso.gov.au/titles/documentaries/demons-drivetime/clip3/
Talking about …
[just another conservative trying to big mouth yourself.]
[Sattler used, and as he himself admitted in the clip felt quite uneasy at the power he had and it’s consequences.]
Listen PBers!
Lay off b_g.
I don’t know if b_g is a conservative or not & what does it matter?
It’s good to get a different perspective. If we chase away contributers who would like to share an alternative point of view we ‘will be’ nothing more than an echo chamber.
I saw Dee’s (I think) link before.
Just goes to show their ABC is still well and truly theirs…
[Government under attack over NBN sale deal]
Note the senseational and inflamtory words here – see how the headline is not “Govt faces criticism (or questions) over NBN sale deal”
[The Opposition has seized on a deal done between the Federal Government and the Greens on the National Broadband Network (NBN) to question whether it is committed to the network’s privatisation.]
As you can see, this sensational language is not confined to the headline. The Opposition is the story here – and they’ve *seized* on a deal – I am not sure how one seizes on a deal exactly… but either way, the intention is clear, to give the Opposition’s actions/role the focus, in a positive, exciting light – in effect, saving the great unwashed from the ALP commies!
This sort of rubbish is spewed out each day and every on their ABC. The Opposition is always the protagonist.
I’d like to know how much the Liberal Party charges their ABC for this plagiaristic lifting of talking points and questions from their Coalition Opposition. Surely this contravenes the fair use of copyright?
Damn it, the aged care agency people visited today. Could it get any worse?
Talk about how a good government program gets stuffed on the ground floor. With the aged care packages available to help people stay in their homes cared for by their loved ones, you would think it would be a positive experience? Yeah, right.
We got wtte “Your 93 yrs oldie is now stuffed, he should be in a nursing home, he ain’t got that much longer to go. If you want to look after him at home, good luck because we can’t increase the care he gets, instead we are decreasing his care because needs more of it and we can’t make the funding go any further. It’s your choice.” In words of blunt program-speak of course.
“Oh and OH&S says our workers can’t do anything much for him anyhow, beyond washing him once a day in the hospital bed in the lounge that he is expected to lie in now, not the bed in his bedroom (too small????? for the workers to work in) he has slept in for 43 years.” “Oh, what he wants? Would do you meand (and exact words) Well if he is going to be upset and raise his voice at us we are leaving now and you get no services.”
This is a perfect example of outsourced agencies raking in the guvvy dollars, employing lots of managers, directors, head of this, co-ordinator of that.
And if you complain they write ‘diffficult family’ on the file.)
Who gets the blame for this? The government, who gives out the money expecting that oldies will get looked after, but the agencies are too busy building king/queendoms to do their job.
William,
[Frank, your frequently stated conviction that elections are decided by radio stations that target a narrow demographic of hardcore non-swinging voters is rather stupid.]
They’re not all hardcore established audience. A lot of new listeners come on board every day. They might stumble on the station by chance (dial twiddlers), say, “Great, here’s someone talking, what are they talking about?” Easy prey for the jingoistic manipulation. Of course they can either continue listening or decide it’s rot, but for many the impression is made, the anti-Labor messaging sheeted home. It can happen in just a couple of minutes, given the intensity of the messaging in the programming.
Then there are those who tell their family, neighbours, friends “what that man on 2GB said about Labor”. The multiplier-effect. This message coming from one person to another carries more weight of credibility than election advertising. In fact the communication from the radio guy to the original listener has a similar credibility: it’s person-to-person.
Then there are the passive audiences who cop an earful in taxis, at worksites etc. These people are not counted in the ratings, but they are there regardless, getting the message, fanning it out to their family, friends, neighbours…
It can work both ways cuppa.
Dee
perhaps that is for young william to decide
😉
[CuppaPosted Monday, November 22, 2010 at 5:21 pm | PermalinkWilliam,
Frank, your frequently stated conviction that elections are decided by radio stations that target a narrow demographic of hardcore non-swinging voters is rather stupid.
They’re not all hardcore established audience. A lot of new listeners come on board every day. They might stumble on the station by chance (dial twiddlers), say, “Great, here’s someone talking, what are they talking about?” Easy prey for the jingoistic manipulation. Of course they can either continue listening or decide it’s rot, but for many the impression is made, the anti-Labor messaging sheeted home. It can happen in just a couple of minutes, given the intensity of the messaging in the programming.
Then there are those who tell their family, neighbours, friends “what that man on 2GB said about Labor”. The multiplier-effect. This message coming from one person to another carries more weight of credibility than election advertising. In fact the communication from the radio guy to the original listener has a similar credibility: it’s person-to-person.
Then there are the passive audiences who cop an earful in taxis, at worksites etc. These people are not counted in the ratings, but they are there regardless, getting the message, fanning it out to their family, friends, neighbours…
]
Exactly – it’s priceless advertising for the Libs and they appreciate it.
Of course blue_green is not a conservative. Dave is being a troll.
The interesting statistic in those above is the reduction in the percentage of people who want an early election. This is good news for Labor. More and more people consider them to be a lesser evil than the next worse thing, which is actually having to vote again.
William
👿
Space Kidette@517
SK – thats for sure. He comes across to me as a classic conservative. He loves
pocking a stick to get a reaction, but that works both ways.
Dee – each to their own. I see him as a fraud, feining *advice* while really
putting the boot in. If he is going to put the boot in under such *cover*, I’ll
be returning fire and calling him out.
As for his nick – what do you think bg means ? click on his name and see
where it leads. Either way his opinion like all posters here is not *fact* and
that is what he is trying to do.
Sattler’s modus operandi – look at the role of his Producer:
http://aso.gov.au/titles/documentaries/demons-drivetime/clip1/
William Bowe@527
Thank you.
Cuppa
The multiplier effect is what worries me. I’ve had people quote all sorts of garbage as fact that has come second hand from someone who heard the so-called fact on talk back radio.
It’s the ripples that do the damage. The dessemination of misinformation.
@William/527,
What does that make me? lol
when i read the comment i thought gosh i was wrong i thought blue / green was blue for the ocean green for the earth ( well some of it) but then i questioned my self and thought perhaps blue and green are lib colours
[They’re not all hardcore established audience. A lot of new listeners come on board every day. They might stumble on the station by chance (dial twiddlers), say, “Great, here’s someone talking, what are they talking about?” Easy prey for the jingoistic manipulation. Of course they can either continue listening or decide it’s rot, but for many the impression is made, the anti-Labor messaging sheeted home. It can happen in just a couple of minutes, given the intensity of the messaging in the programming.
Then there are those who tell their family, neighbours, friends “what that man on 2GB said about Labor”. The multiplier-effect. This message coming from one person to another carries more weight of credibility than election advertising. In fact the communication from the radio guy to the original listener has a similar credibility: it’s person-to-person.
Then there are the passive audiences who cop an earful in taxis, at worksites etc. These people are not counted in the ratings, but they are there regardless, getting the message, fanning it out to their family, friends, neighbours…]
Exactly, Cuppa – and that’s not to mention their ABC now. As you said earlier today, even something as politically innocent as listening to Classic FM is now interrupted with hourly ABC News content that is laden with almost verbatim recital of Opposition talking points and even at times, excited Tory cheer leading.
There’s no real escape from it and it slowly builds – a 5 second newsgrab from 2GB or the ABC might be the only political news one voter gets in a day, given the percentages of Liberal talking points those outlets operate on, those 5 seconds are likely to be negative for the government – the ABC/Tory seed is planted – and will be backed up next time that uninterested swinging voter hears a news grab.
Eventually, come election time, when Tony Abbott or his ad says “This guvmint is a shambles, it can’t do nuppin’ right” – they’ll say, “yeah, he’s probably right there” – thinking back to all the negative reports on the bits and pieces of news content they’ve received over the last few years.
The fact that the ALP is only 2 points behind in TPP is in spite of, not because of, this compliant Tory media. Imagine if there were a balanced media …
Dee,
I have just started the space kidette twitter account. My aim – to put the facts back on the table. Everytime someone in politics starts with the Bull I am to put the facts out there with all evidentiary links.
Gus
👿 Point taken.
Dave
[Dee – each to their own. I see him as a fraud, feining *advice* while really
putting the boot in. If he is going to put the boot in under such *cover*, I’ll
be returning fire and calling him out.]
Just ignore. Much better for the blood pressure. 🙂
Well, off to the quacks!
Catch up later.
Dee,
I hope all is well!
I do not know what b-g’s politics are, I just found what he had to say interesting. In any case whether b-g is a conservative or not, we can’t just kick out people who do not share our views.
And the return of Troy is upon us, despite Galaxy:
[ WAtoday WAtoday
Donna Faragher has announced she will be leaving government to become a mother paving the way for Troy Buswell’s return:http://bit.ly/buozWV
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Dee – Honest, I tried for a long time. Time to return fire (within the rules though).
Puff,
I prefer to hear other people’s opinions because I begs me to look at things with a different view. Sometimes it changes the kaleidoscope of my own opinions, other times it just make my view clearer.
I wouldn’t say I love you b_g, but I welcome what you have to say.
Puff
no one is “kicking” anyone out
more being called out!
🙂
It is interesting to see that the Coalition is sticking to the Government having ‘lost its way’ meme in QT. It is buttressed by some public soul searching by Labor.
There is also the structural issue that Labor is (IMHO) bleeding its left to the Greens. The risk is that rump Labor will want to move to the right, eg DeBruyn ‘offering guidance’ to the PM.
The question is, can the ‘lost its way’ meme remain either live or useful, if Labor goes about its business of running the country for another two.five years?
[It can work both ways cuppa]
It can indeed, and all the ranting and wailing and gnashing of teeth can sometimes have zero effect, like it did when the Rudd Government did the apology to the stolen generation.
Despite the frothing at the mouth of the shock jocks, the ALP’s support went UP in the polls afterwards. The Australian populace as a whole had already made up their minds, and they were in favour of it.
On the other hand, Cuppa is most definitely right to talk about the multiplier effect. I recently spoke to a woman – educated, intelligent and working in the human services field (whom, after a year of getting to know her, have pegged her as a left of centre voter) – made an off-the-cuff comment to me suggesting that our current parliament was “dead-locked” and that it would be in the best interests of the country to have a fresh election.
When I pointed out that the polls are pretty much still deadlocked, and that we would go to a great deal of expense in order to get the exact same result, she was shocked, because she had gathered from listening to the news and talking to other people that the government wasn’t functioning well and the Libs were now way out in front in the polls.
I sent her away with the message that government is working fine, thank you very much, and that a new election at this juncture would be a total waste of time and money.
[Magic Dragon.
Posted Monday, November 22, 2010 at 5:20 pm | Permalink
Damn it, the aged care agency people visited today. Could it get any worse?
Talk about how a good government program gets stuffed on the ground floor. With the aged care packages available to ]
is your dad a returned man, PUff, what your writing here I never encountered and quick trip to your member and phone call to ask the ministers secretary to ring you
I found D pf veteratans affairs amazing
puff
further
the thing i value here is the fact that intellectual vigour and rigour are applied as a matter of course
when something dont compute,someone will call it out
🙂
I find most of what he says is old cobbers. But he is entitled to put his view and
for others to put theirs.
No one is kicking him out, in fact he is here a lot.