GhostWhoVotes reports a federal Nielsen poll to be published in tomorrow’s Fairfax broadsheets will show the Coalition, unchanged on last month. More to follow.
UPDATE: GhostWhoVotes further relates the primary votes are Labor 35 per cent (up one point), Coalition 43 per cent (steady) and Greens 13 per cent (down one), and the poll also shows support for gay marriage at 57 per cent and opposition at 37 per cent.
UPDATE 2: The poll finds little change in the leaders’ personal ratings. Julia Gillard is stable on both approval (54 per cent) and disapproval (39 per cent), while Tony Abbott is up two on approval to 47 per cent and down two on disapproval to 48 per cent. Gillard’s lead as preferred prime minister is 53 per cent (steady) to 40 per cent (up a point). The Coalition leads as best party to handle interest rates (47 per cent to 33 per cent) and create greater competition between the banks (46 per cent to 32 per cent). Fifty-five per cent now believe the government should serve a full term, against 42 per cent who would like a new election as soon as possible.
UPDATE 3: Essential Research also has the Coalition leading 51-49, for the third week running. Julia Gillard’s approval rating is at 43 per cent, down two on a month ago, and her disapproval up one to 38 per cent, while Tony Abbott is up a point on approval to 40 per cent and down five on disapproval to 40 per cent. Gillard’s lead as preferred prime minister has narrowed from 49-33 to 45-34. There are also questions on viewing of sport on free-to-air and pay television, presumably apropos of the anti-siphoning issue – although opinions on this are not engaged directly.
Victoria
Good work! I wasn’t sure what station I was listening to and was searching Radio National.
coalition gets in first with banking bill
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/11/22/3072834.htm?section=justin
bemused
I am currently listening to it.
blue-green:
Sounds as if the CPRS was the umbrella over everything, and when that failed it had knock-on effects.
MITHRANDIR – All good points. It’s a bit strange to see Gittins go so far off beam. I can’t help thinking that he doesn’t want to applaud the NBN because it’s too closely associated with Rudd.
Confessions
here’s the link to the original announcement, note that all the refs to today’s say Labor WILL be making an announcement today, so would expect details will be released then.
http://www.alp.org.au/federal-government/news/carbon-farming-initiative/
zoomster:
Thanks, that would be appreciated.
[I can’t quite read that article. It seems to screw up on my screen. Any clues as to how i can read it.]
b_g I found it difficult too but persevered. Upshot is that Labor needs to get some good speechwriters. IMHO the PM speaks better when she throws away the written word and speaks directly to us. I realise there are times when a speech must be written into history so a good speechwriter needs to be employed.
The point re Kev boring us to tears is spot on tho – his intellect and ideas are fantastic but the delivery was painful. The article said that it was pointed out to Kev on many occasions by senior Labor figures, etc. but he didn’t take any notice. Such a shame.
bemused
it get’s interesting at the 25 minute mark.
[confessions
Posted Monday, November 22, 2010 at 11:29 am | Permalink
blue-green:
Sounds as if the CPRS was the umbrella over everything, and when that failed it had knock-on effects.]
And that is the problem when having one policy to fix everything and not making parallel. When it fails everything fails. It has taught me a serious politcal and plicy lesson. Always have a plan B and don’t kill off other otpions because you like your first one.
In many ways, the complementary options (and our capacity to expand them) went backwards during the development of the CPRS. They were put on hold. In many ways, what Combet is proposing puts us back were we were under the later stages of Howard’s term. Except that we have to plan and strategise and gear up to do it all over again. So by 2011 we will be back in 2005. Except that everyone who was ready to roll in 2005 is now working in other industries. Its really quite sad.
Tony Windsor made a good please in HoR this morning re the MDB plan. Stressed the Guide was being confused with the final outcome and he asked for bipartisanship on the Committee and within the Parliament to work something out. I wonder if the Oppn stirrers about the MDB will heed his request to work together instead of continuing their spread of misinformation.
CUPPA
Thank you so much i have already enjoyed a programme bbc wales this morning.
it was amazing how much the presenter sounded like a tasmanian voice now the american one nice music.
the nz one very good to thankyou.
zoomster:
Ta for that. Looks like Landcare will be funded to administer the bulk of program, but I’ll wait for more info.
[b_g I found it difficult too but persevered. Upshot is that Labor needs to get some good speechwriters. IMHO the PM speaks better when she throws away the written word and speaks directly to us. I realise there are times when a speech must be written into history so a good speechwriter needs to be employed. ]
Yes, Gillard can be good on the fly, but when she is measured, she is unmemorable. To let people know what you are doing, you have to put it to them in a way that is memorable. You do that by putting an effort into using tried and true rhetorical techniques to phrase what you want to get across. Rhetoric has been a science since Aristotle’s days. What sounds good is memorable.
And Labor needs to realise you don’t get good rhetoric by focus group, you get it by a skilled speechwriter. I just don’t see this in anything a current Minister says.
So what do you all think Senator X will do, is he the re the vote on the nbn.
will the greens talk to him do you think.
Howard was no orator and he was there for 11 plus years. This really is overblown.
X,
Will try and leverage something for his Pokies agenda from the NBN negotiations and pass the legislation.
It’s one of his last chances to be relevant.
Malcolm Fraser talking about refugees at about 34 minute mark. It is very thought provoking.
[So what do you all think Senator X will do, is he the re the vote on the nbn.
will the greens talk to him do you think.]
I think it is a good thing X will be irrelevant after the middle of next year. This bloke was offered a private meeting with a proviso he kept quiet for two weeks and he rejected it. Even Fielding accepted the offer.
[Gary
Posted Monday, November 22, 2010 at 11:40 am | Permalink
Howard was no orator and he was there for 11 plus years. This really is overblown.]
No he was a terrible orator. His speeches were god awful. Just like Tony Abbott’s. But they are able to use rhetoric to mount an argument on talkback or at a press conference and ensure that there message gets through to the populace and heard there. And that is the key- to get your message heard.
Nothing Julia is saying is getting through to the populace.
sorry my post at 218 is for bemused
[And Labor needs to realise you don’t get good rhetoric by focus group, you get it by a skilled speechwriter. I just don’t see this in anything a current Minister says.]
So you want to be governed by speechwriters not focus groups. Hmm.
The CSIRO and the BoM are always coming out with statements about the worlds CO2 levels and the hottest year on record (again) type messages. I wonder why the PM doesn’t announce these statements regularly herself and get the Chief Scientist, Head of CSIRO and Head of BoM to be at the conference to answer questions.
JG has the bully pulpit; she has to use it.
gosh now i am listening to BBC 4 it sound like the abc use to be.
gosh i wish abc manager would look here to see what we actully think of the rubbish they dish out to us
its so funny listening to the fishing warning for the british isl.
and they speak so nicley no yelling o my god how the abc has changed.
[Nothing Julia is saying is getting through to the populace.]
And it’s not because she is not saying it. I watch and listen to her interviews in and out of parliament. She speaks well and with purpose. Getting it reported is another matter. Hell, when Howard was in power he just had to fart and that would be reported in a positive manner.
[So you want to be governed by speechwriters not focus groups. Hmm.]
No. I want to be communicated to with the help of speechwriters (not focus groups).
Speech writers help leaders to persuade (and therefore lead). Focus groups help politicians to play safe. Just because something is popular, does not mean it is right.
[Supermercado99 Now I wouldn’t dare suggest MTR are biased, but they do have a poster for the Richmond Liberal candidate in their front window ]
yep yep yep
no amount of rhetoric or oratory can beat that
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[Thank you so much i have already enjoyed a programme bbc wales this morning.
it was amazing how much the presenter sounded like a tasmanian voice now the american one nice music.
the nz one very good to thankyou.]
My pleasure, My Say. Thought you’d enjoy them. 🙂 It sure is a pleasure to listen to radio again without right wing Liberal snot being rammed down your throat every news bulletin if not more frequently.
[Speech writers help leaders to persuade (and therefore lead). Focus groups help politicians to play safe. Just because something is popular, does not mean it is right.]
Did Howard use speechwriters when he conducted interviews? I bet he didn’t. Speech writers are used when you give major speeches. JG does well with her speeches and handles interviews comfortably.
[No he was a terrible orator. His speeches were god awful. Just like Tony Abbott’s. But they are able to use rhetoric to mount an argument on talkback or at a press conference and ensure that there message gets through to the populace and heard there. And that is the key- to get your message heard.]
True – the simple short keywords at the beginning, throughout and at the end enforce the message. Howard didn’t waiver and it was seen as strength. I saw him as an old mongrel but I was in the minority for years.
JG can cut through. During the election when she made the analogy between Govt. debt and house mortgages she got a very good reaction. It’s just that there is not enough of that type of everyday talk and analogy.
Labor should be saying loudly everywhere, every day. that Oppn pollies are lining up at Conroy’s office asking for the NBN to go through their electorates. Make it a big point and make them look ridiculous when they hide behind Turnbull and Abbbott.
[And it’s not because she is not saying it. I watch and listen to her interviews in and out of parliament. She speaks well and with purpose. Getting it reported is another matter. Hell, when Howard was in power he just had to fart and that would be reported in a positive manner.]
Julia can argue well in an extended format. But what she says is soon forgotten. It also does not translate well into newspaper news articles and tv and radio quotes. To do this she needs to add color and passion to the bits she wants emphasised.
What is also lacking is a key set of enthymemes. These are the starting point for a series of logical steps.
They should be broad enough statements that capture enough of the populace but once they agree with the intital statement (the enthymeme) it is harder to agree with the final position (the policy).
For example; If JG was to use the enthymeme “can’t we all agree that this government should govern for today AND for tomorrow”. Everyone would agree. Then she could say “well given that we all agree we should be governing for tomorrow, we must also plan and act to prepare our economy and our populace for a changing climate”. Once the peopel agree with the first, it becomes harder to disagree with the second.
Tony’s enthymeme is “can’t we all agree that government should not waste the taxpayers money”. Everyone agrees with that. Then he can go on and say “Batts, BER, bad etc” and it resonates. To rebut this JG/KR should not have conceded the enthymeme, instead fought back with one of their own. “Can’t we all agree that we need to invest it the future of this country”. “Of course there will be local stuff ups- we are a big country and a small government, but that does not concede the point that we need to invest in the future”.
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“It’s like sitting down with an old friend for a natter.’‘
Every January she picks it up and reads it again.
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And I thought I was the only silly romantic doing that. It’s compulsory holiday reading for me – even tho my own Mr Darcy is snoring his head off in the opposite chair!
[yep yep yep
no amount of rhetoric or oratory can beat that
🙁 ]
Gusface, aren’t you the one constantly saying MTR has no listeners.
[JG can cut through. During the election when she made the analogy between Govt. debt and house mortgages she got a very good reaction. It’s just that there is not enough of that type of everyday talk and analogy.
Labor should be saying loudly everywhere, every day. that Oppn pollies are lining up at Conroy’s office asking for the NBN to go through their electorates. Make it a big point and make them look ridiculous when they hide behind Turnbull and Abbbott]
I say again, it is not that it isn’t being said in interviews and parliament, I’ve heard it said many times by various ministers and JG, it doesn’t make the news or the front page like Howard’s crap used to. When you have a compliat MSM these messages get out, when you don’t, they don’t.
I have no idea what is contained in the oppositions private members bill that was introduced to day so i cannot comment on its effectiveness or not.
However, it will be very interesting to see how much hard work and detail Hockey and co have put into it. I find it hard to believe that a piece of legislation could be properly considered and drafted in such a short time without having some flaws and or unconsidered flow on consequences.
I am sure labor will be tearing this apart piece by piece. Hockey had better hope he has done his homework.
Hockey has talked this legislation up. Expectations are high. Well considered legislation or PR exercise ? We shall see.
compliat = compliant
Cuppa @ 230
Where do0 you find out about foreign radio stations of interest? My Say and others might like to explore.
I was introduced to a great little application for the iPhone ‘TuneIn Radio’ which lets you find stations that might interest you anywhere in the world and listen.
Out of curiosity I have just had a look and found they have a website http://www.tunein-radio.com/index.html and it has a link to ‘Radio Time’, http://radiotime.com/index.aspx
A choice of 40,000 stations should let My Say find something to her taste 😉
[It’s like sitting down with an old friend for a natter.’‘
Every January she picks it up and reads it again.
“The language, the romance, the irony. It is wonderful.’’]
me too if only we still spoke in that way, i just think its an amazing story, the love the attraction with out dare i say sex
[But they are able to use rhetoric to mount an argument on talkback or at a press conference and ensure that there message gets through]
It’s of invaluable assistance getting clear air for your message when the talkback hosts are, to a man, Liberal lickspittles, and the press corps not much different.
b_g
your are at best disengenious at worst alib bot
I suggest you go back to your concern teeing
I dont even live in melb
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Tony Abbott’s rhetoric is actually persuading Australians to be more conservative. He is using his language to appeal to the miserly and short-sighted nature many Australians have. He is creating what is called an ‘interpretive community’.
The way to combat that is not to say ‘but we aren’t wasting money’ it is to say ‘we need to invest in Australia; it is the right thing to do’. and not resile EVER from that view.
My viewpoint is grounded in the social science theory of ‘interpretive communities’. If people are thinking ‘waste is bad’ they will interpret any particular statement about a government inititiative in the negative. But if people are thinking ‘investment is good’, then they will interpret the same article in a different way.
[Julia can argue well in an extended format. But what she says is soon forgotten. It also does not translate well into newspaper news articles and tv and radio quotes. To do this she needs to add color and passion to the bits she wants emphasised.]
And the moment she does the headline will involve something to do with her becoming shrill, over the top or hysterical. She does not have a compliant MSM. Where they can turn a positive into a negative they will.
[b_g
your are at best disengenious at worst alib bot
I suggest you go back to your concern teeing
I dont even live in melb]
Sorry if I have confused you with someone here. Someone is always posting the MTR ratings here.
The ALP need get over this MSM complex and realise the the media can be led; the ALP are not doing a very good job of it.
[It’s of invaluable assistance getting clear air for your message when the talkback hosts are, to a man, Liberal lickspittles, and the press corps not much different.]
Correct.
Bemused,
I’ve been a radio devotee all my life so it was inevitable I’d find internet radio. Have been listening online for around six years, and in the past year or two it’s almost the only way I listen. Can no longer bear the ABC, where once it was always on at our place.
Yes, the RadioTime site is excellent. It’s imitated by a few other online operators, but none do it as well. Streams open up right in RT’s own player, and it offers suggestions for other stations you might like.
http://radiotime.com/index.aspx
[The ALP need get over this MSM complex and realise the the media can be led; the ALP are not doing a very good job of it.]
Not true. It did take Howard a few years to transform the ABC into an off shoot of the Liberal Party. It takes stategic appointments and legislation over time to achieve a compliant MSM.
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