GhostWhoVotes reports a federal Nielsen poll to be published in tomorrow’s Fairfax broadsheets will show the Coalition, unchanged on last month. More to follow.
UPDATE: GhostWhoVotes further relates the primary votes are Labor 35 per cent (up one point), Coalition 43 per cent (steady) and Greens 13 per cent (down one), and the poll also shows support for gay marriage at 57 per cent and opposition at 37 per cent.
UPDATE 2: The poll finds little change in the leaders’ personal ratings. Julia Gillard is stable on both approval (54 per cent) and disapproval (39 per cent), while Tony Abbott is up two on approval to 47 per cent and down two on disapproval to 48 per cent. Gillard’s lead as preferred prime minister is 53 per cent (steady) to 40 per cent (up a point). The Coalition leads as best party to handle interest rates (47 per cent to 33 per cent) and create greater competition between the banks (46 per cent to 32 per cent). Fifty-five per cent now believe the government should serve a full term, against 42 per cent who would like a new election as soon as possible.
UPDATE 3: Essential Research also has the Coalition leading 51-49, for the third week running. Julia Gillard’s approval rating is at 43 per cent, down two on a month ago, and her disapproval up one to 38 per cent, while Tony Abbott is up a point on approval to 40 per cent and down five on disapproval to 40 per cent. Gillard’s lead as preferred prime minister has narrowed from 49-33 to 45-34. There are also questions on viewing of sport on free-to-air and pay television, presumably apropos of the anti-siphoning issue – although opinions on this are not engaged directly.
Go Julia!
Poodle now yapping and told to SIT!
what will the people from sinaport think of pyne
sorry singapore
i thought the opp,. looked not a bit interested in Afganastan.
[Also, to pretend this ingrained bias can be manipulated with some snazzy words written by some gung ho speechwriters is living in fantasyland.]
It will take a lot more than this. Getting through a packed hostile defence will not be easy, the managers of the gov’t and Labor Party communication will need to form some good strategies to get the message through.
The fact that it is hard is no reason to drop the ball.
bemused 352
[Poodle now yapping and told to SIT!]
Good Doggy, no go away and lick your…dish.
Julia is now using enthymemes.
If you care about regional Australia, If you care about the country… you will…
That is better rhetoric.
Darren Laver @ 347
I am afraid you are the ones who don’t get it. I have not seen blue_green or Dio deny bias exists. I think we all take it as a given.
But what then? Bemoan it or do your best to break through, to the maximum extent possible, by using the best possible communication techniques?
b-g
[Julia is now using enthymemes.]
You know, I am googling those words. 😆
Turnbull sounded better than Abbott.
But Julia swats away the fly.
Go Swannee!
Putting the hypocrisy of the opposition on the structural separation on record.
try this Puff.
The enthymeme is THE key to rhetoric but it doesn’t seem to be well covered on the net
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/figures/enthymeme.htm
Time for balance.
I like Swanny’s tie. That is a lovely pink and it goes marvellously with the blue suit.(pinstripe?)
Great answer to Turnbull. JG looks fantastic after all that travelling. How does she do it?
Aged Pension?
Can’t they come back with something relevant? The opposition have lost its way.
Did Julia just say the “right thing to do” about NBN?
😆
[http://twitter.com/mfarnsworth Hearing Swan reminds me to post this link to Dennis Glover’s article on political rhetoric: http://auspol.info/bzbu3C (via @latikambourke) ]
gee the they are now telegraphing each other the latest memes
[lost their way]
[lack of rhetoric]
what is the next one b_g?
Stand up…
Stand up…
Stand up…
the rhetoric has been raised.
b-g
I get it!
So: All neo-cons are fundamental orifices, the Rabbott is a neo-con, therefore the Rabbott is an fundamental orifice???
When any poster has examined the political landscape and then decides to support the wild eyed and angry ideologues that is the coalition, it leaves their political judgements in question. Any confected interest, by such a poster, in helping Labor get out its message,should be seen for what it is, that is, another opportunity to thrash their political opponents in the guise of offering helpful hand.
Try not to be to upset if you think it might apply to you.
[what is the next one b_g?]
I did provide a critique on the bad policy design of a modest health prevention grant program earlier. Do you think they will pay attention to that?
Wiki!
[An enthymeme (Greek: ????????, enthum?ma), in its modern sense, is an informally stated syllogism (a three-part deductive argument) with an unstated assumption that must be true for the premises to lead to the conclusion. In an enthymeme, part of the argument is missing because it is assumed. In a broader usage, the term “enthymeme” is sometimes used to describe an incomplete argument of forms other than the syllogism,or a less-than-100% argument. ]
[There are three conventional orders of enthymemes. A first-order enthymeme suppresses the major premise. A second-order enthymeme suppresses the minor premise. A third-order enthymeme suppresses the conclusion. Other orders of enthymemes, in which 2 elements of the syllogism are suppressed, could be postulated.]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enthymeme
Prissy sit down there is nothing offensive, the government is simply stating that he has put his money where his mouth ought to be!
BK,
You can have a cuppa with the puff adder!
[Puff, the Magic Dragon.
Posted Monday, November 22, 2010 at 2:33 pm | Permalink
b-g
I get it!
So: All neo-cons are fundamental orifices, the Rabbott is a neo-con, therefore the Rabbott is an fundamental orifice???]
You got it. The short-cut is, however, to say that “Can’t we all just agree that Australia is too important a country to be led by an orifice?”
“Can’t we all agree that….(insert broad position here)?” should be the starting point in a series of logic that leads to ‘your’ conclusion.
If you starting point is ‘Can’t we all agree that government funds should not be wasted?’ sends you to a different place than ‘Can’t we all agree that Governments should invest in their country’s future prosperity?”
Harry is getting exasperated. The opposition must be getting a thrashing by the gov’t. The oppo’n seems to throw tanties to distract from the bollockings Labor gives them.
Oh dear poor Jenkins to Pyne …. Sit down 😉
time to write to harry again, does pyne do this to waist time.
You know what i think this should be like a football match every time they interject its time on, they may all find themselves there till 8 pm in the evening.
[billy
Posted Monday, November 22, 2010 at 2:33 pm | Permalink
When any poster has examined the political landscape and then decides to support the wild eyed and angry ideologues that is the coalition, it leaves their political judgements in question. Any confected interest, by such a poster, in helping Labor get out its message,should be seen for what it is, that is, another opportunity to thrash their political opponents in the guise of offering helpful hand.
Try not to be to upset if you think it might apply to you.]
Not upset at all. Although I can’t see how anything I suggest is in any way threatening to the Labor Party or its supporters.
i would like to say has the opposition every found its way.
[my say
Posted Monday, November 22, 2010 at 2:44 pm | Permalink
i would like to say has the opposition every found its way.]
Oppositions rarely do. They tend to fall into power as governments fall out.
I would say that Barry O’Farrell’s Libs and Rudd ALP in opposition are (and were) incredibly disciplined.
blue_green @ 380
Agree totally.
The paranoia index is very high with some posters here.
Essential Research: 51-49 to Coalition, again.
[It will be too late to re-brand their product a few weeks before an election, if the opposing frorces have already set up a negative image of the Labor government in voters’ minds.]
No-one is suggesting this.
[Gary,
I agree, Labor needs to do, but it also needs to tell. These things are not mutually exclusive.]
Never said they were. I just don’t think they need to be whizz bang statements for people to take notice. I don’t believe a whizz bang narrative needs to be in place. Do and sell.
[Pollytics
We should all be very thankful that the ALP didn’t invent the wheel. They would have failed to sell its usefulness #QT}
Imagine the attacks here if I had said this. 😆
BK’s new favourite gets a question.
Malcolm Turnbull denies IT shares as Wayne Swan goes on attack over NBN
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/malcolm-turnbull-defends-it-shares-as-wayne-swan-goes-on-attack-over-nbn/story-e6frf7ko-1225958535958
BK,
Your lovely Liberal women, including the lovely Kelly, are making the milk in my coffee curdle.
triton
and she is so pompous too!
The figures in the Essential poll are very stable and I doubt they will change much for quite a while. Maybe Aussies will feel different after some christmas cheers.
i would say i disagree with that , what i mean is,
Will the opposition ever find its way and have policies that are acceptable, will they ever do away with work choices , will they ever do anything about upgrading the infrastructure of the country, will they ever solve the refugee problem.
no i think the Rudd opp was amazing the policies where a kin to a new beginning.
just sad that way it worked out.
Loved the way that Julia doesn’t give her any recognition when answering the question except to ram it back to her at the end. lol!
QT is not as fiesty as last week.
victoria,
Methinks that Harry has put the boot into the reps in the background. I noticed that they are all a bit cowed by the rules of the house and the speaker at the moment. I have also noticed that the opposition are more quiet on the benches.
[Pollytics
We should all be very thankful that the ALP didn’t invent the wheel. They would have failed to sell its usefulness #QT]
I’d have to agree with that … sadly.
[i think the Rudd opp was amazing the policies where a kin to a new beginning.]
A great metaphor
[Will the opposition ever find its way and have policies that are acceptable, will they ever do away with work choices , will they ever do anything about upgrading the infrastructure of the country, will they ever solve the refugee problem.]
The current opposition have successfully created an image of unstability, incompetence and a bleak outlook. This image has been aided and abetted by the ALP themselves. The opposition policies offer the ‘impression’ of cleaning up the mess. And to them that is enough, and they have managed to convice 50% of the country as well
We need to be careful of ‘group think” on PB and one of the ways of countering it is to hear a variety of opinions and consider them on their merit, without giving the poster a label and using that label to not hear what they say.
I actually suspect that for Tony Abbott and the Coalition, a form of Groupthink was at play in the last election, looking at the following symptoms. Of course you would need a more intimate knowledge of what went on the inside to have more than a suspicion.
[Janis has documented eight symptoms of groupthink:
Illusion of invulnerability –Creates excessive optimism that encourages taking extreme risks.
Collective rationalization – Members discount warnings and do not reconsider their assumptions.
Belief in inherent morality – Members believe in the rightness of their cause and therefore ignore the ethical or moral consequences of their decisions.
Stereotyped views of out-groups – Negative views of “enemy” make effective responses to conflict seem unnecessary.
Direct pressure on dissenters – Members are under pressure not to express arguments against any of the group’s views.
Self-censorship – Doubts and deviations from the perceived group consensus are not expressed.
Illusion of unanimity – The majority view and judgments are assumed to be unanimous.
Self-appointed ‘mindguards’ – Members protect the group and the leader from information that is problematic or contradictory to the group’s cohesiveness, view, and/or decisions.]
http://www.psysr.org/about/pubs_resources/groupthink%20overview.htm
The Bay of Pigs fiasco in the Kennedy Presidental term was held to be a classic example of the problem of Groupthink, and the response to the Cuban Missile Crisis an example of the result when active measures are taken to counter it.
@Victoria/394,
Possibly being more careful as the time closer time to release of the business case….
I love it when Sloppy plays dumb…because it let’s JG treat him like he is dumb.