Newspoll brings us a well-timed result of Victorian state voting intention, this being the usual bi-monthly result for July-August with a sample of 1144 respondents. It has Labor moving into the lead with 51-49 on two-party preferred, reversing the result of the last poll, from primary votes of 41% for the Coalition (down two), 38% for Labor (up three) and 13% for the Greens (up one). Personal ratings find Denis Napthine losing some honeymoon gloss, up five on disapproval to 31% and steady on approval at 53%. Daniel Andrews meanwhile is up three on approval to 38% and down two on disapproval to 32%, although Napthine’s lead as preferred premier is essentially unchanged at 47-25, compared with 49-26 last time. Full tables from GhostWhoVotes.
Here’s how the full gamut of this term’s polling – 12 Newspolls and five ReachTELs – looks after being run through the BludgerTrack meat-grinder:
lizzie
Stay positive. The karma bus has picked up Sophie. Perhaps Abbott will be next
Sean, why exactly did Abbott commit to the same cut?
AussieAchmed
He will also need to apologise to the exporters who will find themselves whacked with a “carbon tariff” due to his failure.
[Sean, why exactly did Abbott commit to the same cut?]
Abbotts direct action plan will stimulate the economy rather than hinder it.
Abbott will make solar panels $500 cheaper to install on your roof for example.
izzie
Posted Wednesday, September 18, 2013 at 10:53 am | PERMALINK
Oh how I sympathise with this statement.
David Horton @watermelon_man 16m
The swearing-in is like hearing the prison doors slam shut behind you.
Hasten to add I’ve never been in prison myself.
——akin to a coup. travesty of so many things. as bad as 1975 – but this time without complicity of GG and atrocious extremist leader. dont cry for australia
guytaur
Appalling that intellectual empty spaces like ST support the new govt.
54% of Australians support the new government… as demonstrated on September 9th
The election was on 7 September Sean.
oops, 7th of September I mean
lizzie
Posted Wednesday, September 18, 2013 at 11:33 am | PERMALINK
guytaur
Appalling that intellectual empty spaces like ST support the new govt.
—-predictable. have you heard anything from this claytons mob that is not intellectually empty. you can hear a gong resonate through corridors in place of any articulated accountable responsible theory and discourse
How is Peter Dutton going to go with things like those good-natured bets on sporting events between countries, such as the Olympic one Lundy had with the UK minister? Has anyone seen Dutton smile yet? Any sign of a personality?
will someone – william – ban sean. i thought he was abbott playing around ih this classroom but ta is being sworn in (fingers crossed) right?
victoria
[The karma bus has picked up Sophie. Perhaps Abbott will be next]
I can’t write what I would like to happen to him, but I wish it would.
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lizzie
Posted Wednesday, September 18, 2013 at 11:30 am | Permalink
briefly
I remember when we saw TA meeting the Queen at Buck.Palace, she had to guide him out of the room to stop him rabboting on.
Ten years of upward progress on so much has been dumped.
I’m really depressed today.]
I’m sure it will all be quite perplexing for voters, victoria. He is such an oddball – so out of step. If he really is the face of Liberalism, they will not last long at all.
Somehow seems appropriate that wind is howling here in Sydney
Whats involved in replacing the Governor General and how quickly can it be done?
Does parliament need to be recalled to change the GG, or can Abbott just send a letter to the Queen?
i meant idea of TA swearing to anything is just so funny. he is a ocker anarchist right?
lizzie
Who would have imagined that Sophie would have lost her seat this time around? As I said, stay positive.
lizzie AND victoria… 🙂
“@FakeLNP: Presenting Barnaby Joyce (NSW)
Minister For Flat Earths
#SwearingIn #auspol”
Mirabella concedes defeat in Indi. A ray of sunshine after a bad result federally.
Sean, even though I know you’re not genuinely interested, the Parliament has no say in the appointment or dismissal of the Governor-General.
[Does parliament need to be recalled to change the GG, or can Abbott just send a letter to the Queen?]
The PM can ask the Queen to terminate the GG’s commission. It’s never been done, and could only be done on grounds of incapacity or misconduct. The Queen would be within her rights to refuse such a request unless it was backed by very good reasons.
briefly
On Twitter, one of TA’s fans is praising his humanity “because he trained as a priest”.
The chasm between TA and any humility aside, she’s forgotten that he couldn’t hack the discipline.
🙁
sean
[Whats involved in replacing the Governor General and how quickly can it be done? ]
Why? Didn’t she swear Abbott in to your liking?
Good to see Labor faithfuls on PB have moved away from “rules is rules” to justify their hope & desire new members be frozen out of the leadership ballot…
Now some seem to have moved on to a view that the rank & file will be swayed by Albanese being more popular as he’s a head-kicker and will take the fight up to Abbott from day one…
Reality is neither the rank and file members …nor those more in the know …nudge, nudge …wink, wink …know what I mean? …know how either candidate will perform in the leadership position.
For my part, both candidates are unsatisfactory due to their association with leadership destabilization. But I’m stuck with having to choose the ‘least worst’ of them, as my preferred Tony Burke is not standing. Neither are my other choices, Mark Dreyfus & Jason Clare.
So, I’m left with Albanese or Shorten. Not having the deep insights re: their personal philosophies or factional allegiances, I have to fall back on other factors:
* Shorten doesn’t look like a future PM to me …he is somewhat short in stature, his clothes (I know, I know) don’t look as though they fit properly …he comes across in i/v’s as more than a little shifty …and diffident. I don’t feel confident in his commitment to Julia’s legacy. I don’t trust him.
* Albanese has a slight speech impediment & often doesn’t sound fluid in his delivery … I was disappointed in his grasp of the NBN and his only average debating skills when up against Turnbull during the campaign. He was a loyal Ruddite & that naturally puts me off. However, he kept all his lobbying activity behind the scenes & performed brilliantly as Leader of the House under both Rudd & Gillard.
In short, I trust him more than Shorten.
Albanese is also aware of the value of Social Media …and has grasped it’s importance & effectiveness in lobbying support from the rank & file members. This is a BIG plus for me…
Finally I have heard strong support coming from Gillard loyalists within the senior ranks of caucus & former caucus members …Greg Combet + Craig Emerson + Tanya Plibersek have all endorsed him.
So, it’s ‘Albo’ for me …and, I suspect, the vast majority of rank & file members.
victoria
I shall rely on you to keep my spirits up.
An unfair burden for you, I know.
My whole household is in despair today.
lizzie
Catholic priests in general dont have a good reputation at present. Hardly a complimentary statement in my view. Quite the contrary.
This is a state politics thread. Not the general thread.
The General thread is here:
http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2013/09/17/essential-research-53-47-to-coalition-6/?comment_page=22/#comments
I hope Abbott asks her excellency GG Bryce to serve again just so us at PB can watch Spin Tisme unhinge
lizzie
Abbott does not have control of our spirits. Dont let the bastard win in that department. Not a bloody millimetre!!
Anyhow off for a while. Talk later
223
If Whitlam had got wind of the Dismissal before Kerr had implemented it, do you think Whitlam could have had him sacked?
[This is a state politics thread. Not the general thread.]
Day 1 of the Abbott government and discipline is unraveling already.
Sean Tisme
Posted Wednesday, September 18, 2013 at 11:23 am | Permalink
Serious question.
How quickly can Abbott knife Bill Shortens mummy from the top job?
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Again or more accurately still wrong, either there a learning disorder or just plain stupid. The GG is NOT Shortens mother….
The Governor-General is removable by the Queen on the advice of the Australian Prime Minister
[If Whitlam had got wind of the Dismissal before Kerr had implemented it, do you think Whitlam could have had him sacked?]
In principle, yes, but who knows what might have happened if he had tried? The Queen would have been within her rights to delay while she took advice. This was before the Australia Acts, so British ministers might have become involved. It would have been very messy.
[224…..lizzie]
It’s a weird argument in the first place. We haven’t elected a confessor. In any case, Abbott has done nothing to demonstrate any sense of humanity. He’s a chauvinist thug.
Psephos
On this sad day we are taking refuge in a place where Labor is winning the polls.
Off to lunch to celebrate Day 1 of Opposition.
Sean Tisme
Posted Wednesday, September 18, 2013 at 11:33 am | Permalink
Sean, why exactly did Abbott commit to the same cut?
Abbotts direct action plan will stimulate the economy rather than hinder it.
Abbott will make solar panels $500 cheaper to install on your roof for example.
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WRONG. He is reducing the rebate making them more expensive
His promise to scrap the carbon tax, a tax which had been a timid step in the right direction, to close down your green energy bank and to reduce the rebates for buying solar panels, all send a terrible signal to your entrepreneurs and to the community.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/comment/tony-abbott-will-doom-future-generations-if-he-ditches-carbon-tax-20130917-2tx0j.html#ixzz2fCm1p9oE
not watching id vomit
but apparently twitter saying he even metioned the dam boats
is maggie there
[The PM can ask the Queen to terminate the GG’s commission. It’s never been done, and could only be done on grounds of incapacity or misconduct.]
What about a severe conflict of interest?
[The Queen would be within her rights to refuse such a request unless it was backed by very good reasons.]
While the Queen indeed has the ultimate say, back here in reality land she is not going to deny the DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED Prime Minister of Australia’s wishes as much as you’d like to think so.
“@mfarnsworth: So Abbott has sacked Don Russell, former adviser to Treasurer Keating, former Ambassador to Washington, as head of Dept of Innovation.”
[Why? Didn’t she swear Abbott in to your liking?]
She’s the mother-in-law of the potential opposition leader FFS
Only Labor could let something like this happen…
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Psephos
Off to lunch to celebrate Day 1 of Opposition.]
Rejoice while you can. The return to power lies just over the horizon.
no the words
is the army soldier re irag for gg howard friend
[How many degrees cooler was Labors 5% cut to Australian emissions making?]
We dont know exactly, but some: only a joint international effort can reel in dangerous AGW, and if you dont contribute, you become an walking excuse for others not to as well. Part of the problem, not the solution.
The better question is how much temperatures will rise as a result of failing to contribute.
On your ‘logic’ Sean: Why should I pay my tax, when my individual contribution wont make a difference to federal government budget?
Why did we committ forces to Iraq and Afghanistan, when it didnt matter whether we did or not to the actual military equation?
If you can answer either of these half-sensibly, youll get why your Oz climate right-wing meme is such a bunch of braindead crap.
any more on the Fairfax Count
Sean Tisme
Posted Wednesday, September 18, 2013 at 11:34 am | Permalink
54% of Australians support the new government…
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53.44%
and Abbott still has the acknowledge and govern with proper consideration of the views of the 46.56% who didn’t vote for him.
His own words….he is there to govern for all Australians.
Unless he accedes to your fascist dictatorship
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guytaur
“@mfarnsworth: So Abbott has sacked Don Russell, former adviser to Treasurer Keating, former Ambassador to Washington, as head of Dept of Innovation.”]
The purge is on.
He has abolished science, innovation and clean energy and replaced them with patriarchy and monarchist piety.
Mark j s the reason u are left with the two
contenders may be the others did not have the guts
to put their hand up
i like burke but to timid
Jason CLare is a bit young but i think h will be the next
pm I see albo and stepping in
to give normality and he is good against abbott
shorten puts his head down never seem to o the eye contact
and i do wonder if shorten is more a career person
re sean who reads what he says i don’t
he is the mirror of the libs, well we see what we are getting and so do lurkers if
you don’t talk to someone they usually go away
so its not the fault for shorten and albo
others could of put their hand s up