The year’s second Ipsos poll for the Fairfax papers seems to confirm two things: the government’s poll recovery from the depths of the leadership spill, and the pollster’s relative lean to the Coalition. The poll records a straight four-point exchange on the primary vote, with Labor down to 36% and the Coalition up to 42%, and the Greens up one to 12%. This gives Labor a lead of just 51-49 based on 2013 election preferences. There will presumably be another respondent-allocated result to come, and if past form is any guide it will have Labor further ahead (UPDATE: It does, though only to the extent of 52-48.)
The obligatory bad news for Tony Abbott is provided by a preferred Liberal leader question, which places him third at 19%. Malcolm Turnbull tops the leader board on 39%, with Julie Bishop second on 26%. Unlike Newspoll, there is also improvement on Tony Abbott’s personal ratings: his net approval rating is up eight to a still dreadful minus 30%, and Bill Shorten’s lead as preferred prime minister is down from 50-34 to 44-39. After a somewhat quirky result in his favour last time, Shorten’s net approval rating slumps from plus 10% to zero, with both approval and disapproval on 43%. The poll was conducted from Thursday to Saturday, with a sample of 1406.
There has to be serious questions about Bill Shortens leadership tonight after this stunning polling turn around.
Bowen? Plebersek? Albanese? Who is up next.
fess
Yep. The base is sure doing its best to trash Turnbull. How delicious
TBA
You are so good for a morning laugh
victoria@196
Terrific. Damaging the tories best prospect.
🙂
dave
Labor must think its xmas. Abbott still leader, whilst the trashing of Turnbull is in full swing.
I wonder how rusted on Pyne is in supporting Abbott? I ask because all those articles Amanda Vanstone has been writing attacking Abbott. Their friendship is well known.
[ TrueBlueAussie
Posted Sunday, March 1, 2015 at 10:48 pm | Permalink
Labor….. after 400 promises to post a budget surplus they still failed ]
Produce your proof this was said *400* times
[There has to be serious questions about Bill Shortens leadership tonight after this stunning polling turn around]
I guess you didn’t read the poll results. Shorten is preferred ALP leader you dimwit.
i agree TBA
however on other side we are truly in national mire if SM is taken seriously at all as a leader? that party is bereft
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victoria
Labor must think its xmas. Abbott still leader, whilst the trashing of Turnbull is in full swing.]
lol
TBA
Pretty sure the only way Shorten stops being opposition leader is a day or so after the next election.
TBA you will never win with unions folk on PB against one of their own however blind freddie sees warning signals from labor … mind there have been worse leaders and PM I suppose but country deserve a little better some intellectual qualities articulation plus charisma
Vic – Yep and no wonder turnbull has been very careful.
But some more tory infighting is terrific.
TBA proves my post about panic merchants. 🙂
WP @119
[Life is butter melon cauliflower]
That is a new mondegreen (new to me anyway)
Can someone translate this into English please?
[… mind there have been worse leaders and PM I suppose but country deserve a little better some intellectual qualities articulation plus charisma]
[Labor must think its xmas. Abbott still leader, whilst the trashing of Turnbull is in full swing.]
And best of all Abbott reveres people like Bolt and Hadley so we know they have his ear.
“@SenatorWong: Penny moving a motion in the Senate censuring Senator Brandis for failing to defend AHRC and seeking the resignation of Prof Triggs – TW”
Australian Senate @AuSenate 5m5 minutes ago
A motion to censure the Attorney-General is now being moved by Senator Wong
@srpeatling: This govt is all about “bullying and cowardice”, Sen. Wong tells Senate as Labor attempts to censure Sen. Brandis – http://t.co/DjP0GfQSs0
In the meantime, the Commonwealth will borrow another $1.9 billion this week. Revenue is falling in real per capita terms while spending is rising much more quickly than the economy is growing. The LNP is losing control of public finance at the same time as growth in the economy fades.
Ruawake@215,
Sound like it could be either TBA or Michelle Grattan, but can’t make head nor tail of it.
Victoria
The last Vic Labor government wanted to create suburban hubs around railway stations similar to Box Hill, but failed because of nimby pressure. The Coalition planning was less than hopeless.
ru@215
Who made that comment?
ruawake@215
It is from Geoffrey, so that’s not always easy.
[Mind you, there have been worse leaders of parliamentary parties, and worse Prime Ministers, I suppose, but this country deserves a little better than him. We need someone with a higher intellect, able to articulate his thoughts clearly, and someone with charisma. ]
I don’t think you were serious in your request, but it was an interesting challenge!
😀
[“Produce your proof this was said *400* times”]
Over 200 Times by Wayne Swan alone, the other ALP members filled in the rest.
Heres a couple of highlights:
The Prime Minister in 2010:
GILLARD:
The Budget will be back in the black, back in surplus, in 2012-13…
OAKES:
Guaranteed?
GILLARD:
Yes, the Budget is coming back to surplus Laurie in 2012-13 as promised.
(Source: Julia Gillard, Today Show, 7 November 2010)
The Treasurer three days before the last election in August 2010:
TREASURER:
Well we’re getting back into surplus in three years, Kochie.
KOCH:
Ok. Come hell or high water?
TREASURER:
Come hell or high water.
(Source: Wayne Swan, Debate with Joe Hockey, Sunrise Program, 18 August 2010)
An ALP Pamphlet advising everyone the ALP had achieved it’s budget surplus on time as promised!
JOURNALIST: If you don’t make a, get the Budget back in to surplus in 2012-2013, this is a question to both of you, the cameras are on – will you resign?
PM: (laughs) The Budget is coming back to surplus, no ifs no buts it will happen.
——
You’ve really opened up a can of worms here Dave, I could do this all day. Best stick to safe ground on this one.
Fiery in the Senate. Senator Wong getting under LNP skin.
victoria..
I don’t bother much with PvO ..he likes to play mind games on Twitter ..and I don’t reckon him as a serious political commentator. Certainly he’s not in the same league as Tingle, Taylor, or Seccombe..
don
I don’t think higher intellects are appreciated by the average voter. I may be wrong, of course, but I’m thinking of … never mind, they’re all Labor!!
markjs
PVO has the ear of the tories. He worked for Abbott and JBishop in the past
The link for those that do not have it handy for Senate
http://webcast.aph.gov.au/livebroadcasting/asx2/hms102v_100K.asx
TBA must be one of the Menzies House types. Who else has a collection of quotes ready to spew!
Damn. I’ll have to go and wash my hands now.
@political_alert: Senator Penny Wong’s censure motion against AG George Brandis currently being debated in the Senate #auspol http://t.co/tvnhkcEzC2
“@jmodoh: .@SenatorWong invokes Harry Potter calling Senator Macdonald and Senator O’Sullivan “Crabbe and Goyle” re attack on Triggs”
The major media stories, as I recall, for the period that the COALition and Abbott have gained points and the ALP lost, have been:
-Abbott draping himself in flags and pressing the buttons of the xenophobes
-Abbott and his misogynists mates attacking the HRC for noting that we are abusing children
-probable executions in a foreign country
-leadershit galore.
What does it say about roughly 3% of our Oz voters that during this period they have switched their support to Abbott and the COALition?
Have got severe RSI in my scrolling fingers..
Why anyone bothers to firstly read …and then respond to TBA is beyond me.. 🙁
ruawake
Posted Monday, March 2, 2015 at 10:07 am | PERMALINK
Can someone translate this into English please?
… mind there have been worse leaders and PM I suppose but country deserve a little better some intellectual qualities articulation plus charisma
—not meant for you it’s in code … love how linguistic pendantry is used as rebuttal on something sensitive
TrueBlueAussie@225
Lets see them – links to *400* times.
Count them out!
TrueBlueTossie
[There has to be serious questions about Bill Shortens leadership tonight after this stunning polling turn around.]
Ahh, the irony. You’re too funny for words. 😀
don
Posted Monday, March 2, 2015 at 10:17 am | PERMALINK
ruawake@215
Can someone translate this into English please?
… mind there have been worse leaders and PM I suppose but country deserve a little better some intellectual qualities articulation plus charisma
It is from Geoffrey, so that’s not always easy.
Mind you, there have been worse leaders of parliamentary parties, and worse Prime Ministers, I suppose, but this country deserves a little better than him. We need someone with a higher intellect, able to articulate his thoughts clearly, and someone with charisma.
I don’t think you were serious in your request, but it was an interesting challenge!
———no need to paraphrase – this is not a journal – but thanks for seriousness
both rudd and gillard had those qualities of course
Perhaps the female voters have come back to the coalition cos the PPL was dumped and have announced more funds for childcare
kakuru@239
This is the bit truthie hates –
[ Mr Abbott now even trails Julia Gillard on questions of competence, economic policy, trustworthiness, and strong leadership – all issues on which he relentlessly challenged her credentials – must be particularly galling and show just how much trouble he is in. ]
http://www.afr.com/p/national/politics/voter_views_of_tony_abbott_attributes_vE0pCC2UKXjUaupp3CCceO
[TrueBlueAussie
Posted Monday, March 2, 2015 at 10:19 am | Permalink
[“Produce your proof this was said *400* times”]
Heres a couple of highlights:]
So where is your proof of *400* times with the links?
Not interested in ‘a couple of highlights’
Dave it was actually 500 Times, my mistake.
Joe Hockey tried tabling all the budget surplus lies made by Labor into Parliament.. but no surprise Labor wouldn’t let him table the document so maybe you should give him a call so you can get the full list?
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/swanning-about-and-surplus-to-the-truth/story-e6frg6n6-1226572141622
[ “@jmodoh: .@SenatorWong invokes Harry Potter calling Senator Macdonald and Senator O’Sullivan “Crabbe and Goyle” re attack on Triggs” ]
What is it with Harry Potter and, for that matter, Lord Of The Rings that excites such eloquence in both our Parlliament and on verious Lefty blogs?
I have proudly read neither, and consider myself satisfactorily well-adjusted despite their absence from my literary life.
Also I never watch game shows or Reality TV – especially anything to do with kitchens or renovations.
I will admit to enjoying QI, but if that is my only character failing (a big call, I know) then I am content.
Dave… call or email Joe Hockey… he has the list waiting for you!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRuDZ3R5P3Y
@John Reidy (151) The left needs better strategies to combat this.
People are claiming that islam is unlike other religions where in other religions you might do some horrible thing if you take a verse out of context whereas the purest reading of the quran would cause you to do such atrocities even taking context into account.
It is a logically possible claim so I don’t think calling people racist helps.
I’ve personally undertaken reading the quran to try and understand its position on violence. A friend of mine has been doing that too. It appears it condones violence only against people that are violently oppressing you or persecuting you (my friend came to the same conclusion) though its not always obvious the context unless you read the whole thing (or at least entire surahs) which might be why the myth is easy to propagate.
Trying to tell people about this has been difficult. The closest I have had to success is someone grudgingly accepting they should read the quran.
Another conversation in a public place became unworkable because athiests hijacked the conversation trolling all religion. Another time some athiests were more moderate and said “all religion have crazy things in it. Doesn’t mean its followers follow it”. But I don’t think this is helpful either (because if someone knows a lot about a particular religion and knows the context of these crazy things they may think they don’t understand the claim).
A Christian gentlemen who was very charitable and kind to some of societies worst criminals was surprisingly inconsistent on this barking “I can’t believe you would defend them”.
The thing is I’ve mostly targeted people I think are the most reasonable and avoided the most rabid anti muslim friends whose facebook walls have been 24/7 anti muslim propaganda. I have little interest in islam per se but feel concern for my muslim colleagues and friends what this climate must be like for them and could become!
My Christian friends preach God’s love and unconditional kindness for all. My atheist friends preach racial and religious tolerance. Yet their facebook walls and words look the same on this!
I think developing strategies to counter predjudice will be difficult and take a lot of thought. It could be politically costly in the meantime
[Peter van Onselen @vanOnselenP · 45m 45 minutes ago
Interesting watching today’s poll be spun: An Abbott recovery or is expectation re Turnbull driving improvement? Either way bad for Shorten.]
But what happens once people realise there’s no move to switch to Turnbull?
fess
[Either way bad for Shorten]
Why?