Last week, the BludgerTrack poll aggregate disappointed Coalition fans by failing to respond much to the morale-boosting poll result the had received from Ipsos. Now it’s Labor supporters’ turn, with a shift to the Coalition recorded despite Labor’s strong two-party result from Newspoll. This reasons for this are that a) BludgerTrack goes off the primary vote, and the numbers provided by Newspoll were scarcely different from those that produced a two-party result of 53-47 a fortnight ago, suggesting that much of that two-point shift came down to rounding, b) numbers added this week for Essential Research and Roy Morgan were both soft for Labor, and c) the very strong results Labor was recording at the time of the leadership spill have now entirely washed out of the system. All of which adds up to a solid move to the Coalition on two-party that brings with it four seats on the seat projection, numbering one each in New South Wales, Victoria, Queensland and Western Australia.
Newspoll and Essential Research both provided numbers for leadership ratings this week, and they collectively find the Tony Abbott dead cat continuing to bounce, to the extent that he’s nearly back to where he was at his previous all-time low after the budget. A surprisingly sharp deterioration in Bill Shorten’s numbers has also moderated with the addition of the new numbers, returning him to a more familiar position just below parity. The new figures also knock some of the edge off Abbott’s recovery on preferred prime minister. Full details as always on the sidebar.
Why are you consulting Boerwar on the Eurozone crisis? Boerwar is an expert on macroeconomics in the same way that the albino monk in The Da Vinci Code is an expert on Catholicism.
victoria
Posted Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 12:05 pm | PERMALINK
geoffrey
Yep Rudd should be anointed a saint.——– attack the person always not policies
as for Mutt – and including Jessica!!! it is relatively easy to say same re Gillard
onwards comardes – i just hope we are prepared as best possible for battle and future ahead
afternoon all
Zoomster: if you’re here. Did you catch my post yesterday recommending an (unsympathetic) book on Ned Kelly? If not, I can provide the info again.
[That didn’t seem to stop her cultist followers.]
Does this have to be gone on about over and over?
bemused
You just sit up straight in your chair and fold your hands on your desk and all will be well.
zoomster@200
Can you explain how I abused anyone?
G
[BW
I note the court decision you ignored.
It all the fault of Greece and zero of the EU with you]
1. Greece and Germany have formal government-to-government agreements in place that settled all outstanding issues from WW2.
2. If Greece subsequently sets up a legal system and a court system that is in breach of those agreements, then it is, once again, a sign of Greek bad faith.
3. SYRIZA is in negotiations with the Eurogroup to enter a revised Bailout Agreement.
4. SYRIZA has already breached the existing Bailout Agreement with the EU, the IMF and the WB.
5. Now the SYRIZAN Government is also seeking to breach the existing german/greek government-to-government agreements.
In summary: The SYRIZANs have breached the existing Bailout Agreement. They have announced that they intend to breach the existing government-to-government agreements.
But the SYRIZANs are also saying, ‘You can trust us with a new agreement.’
Spot the disjunct?
Albino monk? At least he wasn’t a Greens.
muttley
My point is Julia Gillard was deputy Prime Minister because she backed Mr Rudd a judgement call.
I respect her judgement. I think that judgement was based on ideas and philosophy that was let down by practical experience.
Thus listen to the ideas just don’t get too close
meher
yes, thank you – but after ploughing through this book, it’ll be a while before I do my obligatory “read something about Ned Kelly just in case I’ve been unfairly prejudiced against the man’ thing again!
bemused
Oh, so ‘cultist’ is a term of affection and regard? Who knew?
zoomster@210
It is a term that best describes the uncritical adulation of certain people.
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guytaur]
Labor elected Rudd as leader knowing how despicable he could be. It was a very serious error that was obvious to many inside the caucus at the time. Labor’s been paying for it ever since.
guytaur
she explains her backing of Rudd at the start of her book. Basically she recognised his faults but thought that they would be mitigated once he had the power he wanted.
My biggest criticism of Gillard has always been her judgement of people – she was generally too willing to believe the best of them.
Made me smile..
John Pollock @JohnPollock6
smh.com.au/federal-politi… via @smh
Best thing about Jones interviewing Abbott is that you can miss them both at the same time. 🙂
bemused
well, obviously some people see it as a term of abuse.
Knowing that, you should avoid the term – if you really don’t want to give people that impression.
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Nicholas
Why are you consulting Boerwar on the Eurozone crisis? Boerwar is an expert on macroeconomics in the same way that the albino monk in The Da Vinci Code is an expert on Catholicism.]
lol…..in the same way that you’re an expert on neo-stalinist monetary and fiscal systems….
bemused
Just for interest’s sake
[It is a term that best describes the uncritical adulation of certain people.]
Why did you use it in this instance? I can’t see any uncritical adulation of Gillard going on.
briefly
[Syriza are gambling with Greece’s reputation…unbelievable]
Without even a pair of twos in their hand.
Bizarro.
MTBW
Erica is the younger brother of Peter “lifestyle choices” Abetz.
bw
Well the EU are battling a Sovereign Democratically Elected Government.
Such Governments can review any treaty they like.
I will put this whole thing in a local context for you.
Daniel Andrews not building the EW link.
New Government not honouring old Government commitments.
Re the opening post by William, my view is Bill Shorten just does doesn’t cut through.
The ALP’s lead is basically all down to how bad the Abbott Govt is.
When Abbott gets replaced, I think the ALP is toast. I’m sure the Labor caucus are contemplating this.
Thanks poroti! Now we have to put up with two of them?
Rex
[The ALP’s lead is basically all down to how bad the Abbott Govt is.[
My view as well!
Rex
Careful, lest u say something positive about Labor.
bemused@211
Actually, it is a fairly neutral term.
[Cult – a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc.]
zoomster
I still respect her judgement. In the case of Rudd this means not dismissing his ideas out of hand because he is a rat.
There was a good basis for Gillard to back Rudd. I see that even as experience proved her wrong in character judgement.
On ideas and philosophy she was right. Rudd did apologise to the Aboriginal people’s stolen generation. Gillard continued this in office.
One example
Like the death cult ISIS?
MTBW
Check out this pic of our (‘Betz) in WA . Only WA get the privilege of two Abetz’s in their lives he’s in state parly.
A few weeks ago I politely asked bemused to desist from labelling myself and others as “cultists” ..it was a request made in good faith.
His response has been to use the term at every opportunity ..much as Abbott wears his blue tie & winks at every opportunity. It is a device used by my grand-children to annoy others by deliberately repeating a stupid habit/saying they pick up & are asked to stop…
My grand children eventually stop ..and grow up a little bit more..
zoomster@217
The uncritical adulation is well established in the case of certain identifiable cultists.
If people find it offensive then they must harbour doubts about the object of their veneration.
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Boerwar
briefly
Syriza are gambling with Greece’s reputation…unbelievable
Without even a pair of twos in their hand.
Bizarro.]
Not even a pair of twos….it’s a new thing: the naked bluff. Everyone at the table can see you hold nothing but still you raise the stakes.
The Finance Minister is described as an expert in game theory. The game seems to be to threaten not to play any more; to go and start a new game with some other kids.
It’s a declaration by Greece that “Even if we lose, you will lose more and that means you have to let us win. Since losing is winning you might as well just let us win.”
It makes sense after a few ouzos.
Even the boring discussion of Greece sometimes becomes quite appealing. 🙁
Re Albo: great faction leader, terrible choice as party leader.
Here are some of the key arguments against him.
1) He aided and abetted Rudd’s campaign of disloyalty. He claimed (tearily) in public that he was doing this out of some sort of high principles. But, in the end, he got the Deputy PMship for the brief period before the good ship Rudd sank into the sunset.
2) He is too far to the left to be electable at the Federal level: the best demonstration of this is his views about the urgent need to retain million dollar public housing with harbour views. The Libs would have a field day with this.
3) In general, his past connections and questionable judgement would make him a big target for the Libs and the Murdoch Press: beers with Craig Thomson, personally intervening to save Ian Macdonald’s career so that he could go on to issue those mining licences, etc.
4) His parliamentary behaviour as an attack dog: as Paul Keating found, this sort of behaviour makes you a pinup boy for the party faithful, but it’s a big turnoff for swinging voters, especially women.
I don’t think Shorten is all that wonderful. But he’s from the Victorian Labor Right, which makes him both a moderate in terms of the overall Australian political spectrum (unlike either Abbott or Albo) and free of the taint attaching to the Labor Right.
If Shorten fell under a bus, then I think the next best option – if she’ll do it – is Plibersek, who comes from the NSW Soft Left of Faulkner, Watkins et al, which is sufficiently moderate and untainted (ie, by connections to Ian Macdonald) to be an acceptable source of a leader. Behind her would be someone like Mark Butler, from the equally acceptable SA Left. Even better, from the same faction, would be Penny Wong if she could come down from the Senate. I reckon it’s still a possibility one of these days.
Chris Bowen, Tony Burke, Jason Clare are all NSW Right men, and I think that faction should be left in the wilderness for a long while to come.
Rex Douglas@221
Thanks Rex, I needed my daily dose of pessimism.
First term Govts generally get the benefit of the doubt. Labor is in a quite remarkable position.
Cheer up Rex.
lizzie
What about that Assange chap, what do you think ? 😀
bemused
My apologies for not engaging in groupthink here.
bemused
I don’t see any cultism going on here, other than your knee jerk reaction that any criticism of Rudd must mean praise of Gillard.
That knee jerk reaction is very much that of, if not a cultist, someone who feels they’re on very shaky ground.
People who are confident in their beliefs don’t get unnecessarily defensive. They can discuss them without feeling the need to denigrate their opponents.
[The ALP’s lead is basically all down to how bad the Abbott Govt is.]
So it’s all in the selling, and can fixed with a bit of spin?
I think it goes deeper than that. Australians don’t like LNP policy. For a new leader fixing policy will create all sorts of internal combustion’s.
[Cult]
It seems that bemused is Tones slogan coach.
bemused
given that I have (once again) criticised Gillard here, do you regard me as a cultist?
poroti
I sensibly have no opinion. 😀
On Tanya, she’s intelligent and attractive, but her soft, hesitant delivery is a disadvantage, IMHO.
meher baba
I don’t agree Albo ‘aided and abetted’ Rudds treason.
I think he simply supported a leader that that defeated John Howard and took Labor to Govt.
Albo is the least bit treasonous, unlike the incompetent pathetic Rudd.
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guytaur
bw
Well the EU are battling a Sovereign Democratically Elected Government.
Such Governments can review any treaty they like.
I will put this whole thing in a local context for you.
Daniel Andrews not building the EW link.
New Government not honouring old Government commitments.]
This is just absurd.
Quite obviously, a contract to build a road is a different thing from a deal to rescue national finance.
It’s also completely clear that Greece can repudiate its debts any time it wants. It also seems to think it can confiscate the property of non-Greek citizens. If it does so, Greece will be the loser. Syriza seems to think it can transfer Greek losses to others. This is a grievous error, but one they are prepared to risk. It is utterly deluded thinking.
Just an observation…
It still surprises me how so many Labor supporters spend much of their time here denigrating past and current Labor MPs and PMs when the conservative supporters as a rule don’t engage in such talk about their own side. David and Truthie might be pretty different it their respective thoughts concerning Abbott and Turnbull or Fraser and Howard but there’s no slanging match ever that I’ve seen. They probably deeply disagree on policies and personalities but they do stick together in urging their side to win at almost any cost.
poroti
OMG! Complete with Bible and lit candles.
Thanks for that it gave me a smile.
brielfy
What is the same? A new government getting elected to do the opposite of the previous government.
That is the same
briefly
Also the same old government agreed to conditions new government does not
Yes Issues different. That is the same
Reality check. An oppositions standing in the opinion polls are always determined by how the government is performing. A well performing government has nothing to fear from any opposition, whether that opposition is performing well or not.
Reality check. An oppositions standing in the opinion polls are always determined by how the government is performing. A well performing government has nothing to fear from any opposition, whether that opposition is performing well or not.
Anyone who claims that non-convertible fiat currencies are synonymous with Stalinism clearly needs to apply their dilettantish propensities to a field other than economics. Hot air balloons would be more your bag.