Three bits of opinion polling news:
• As you can see in the post below this one, there is a poll of Queensland state voting intention in today’s Sunday Mail newspaper. This presumably means a result on federal voting intention from the same poll can be expected this evening.
• An in-house survey from The Australia Institute examines “public attitudes to the federal government’s handling of the global financial crisis, ten years on”. The Labor government of the time is remembered as having done a good job, with 57-24 breaking in favour of the proposition that “Australians should be proud of how its government handled the GFC”. Other findings are a 62-22 split in favour of the proposition that a recession would have unfolded without “large fiscal stimulus”; 48-31 considering borrowing to fund the stimulus was the right thing to do; 45-37 lining up against the proposition that it would have been better to go without stimulus to avoid further debt; and, more narrowly, 42-37 opposed to the notion that the fiscal stimulus policies were “poorly designed and excessive”.
• A ReachTEL poll for GetUp! on same-sex marriage, targeting six seats in Queensland and Western Australia with Coalition MPs with undeclared positions on the subject, finds support for same-sex marriage at over 50% in Hasluck, Moncrieff, Ryan, Swan and Tangney, and at 48% in Stirling with 42% opposed. Similar proportions of respondents favour a free vote being held in parliament “as soon as possible”.
And a whole bunch on preselection, where balls are already starting to roll ahead of a federal election still nearly two years away:
• Western Australia’s Liberal Party has confirmed Slade Brockman, former chief-of-staff to Mathias Cormann, to fill the casual Senate vacancy created by the retirement of Chris Back. Brockman won 89 votes out of 131 at a vote of the party’s state council held on July 22, from a field that also included former state MPs Michael Sutherland and Mark Lewis.
• The New South Wales ALP’s Left faction has endorsed Tim Ayres, state secretary of the Australian Manufacturing Workers Union, to take a factionally reserved Senate position presently occupied by Doug Cameron, who will not contest the next election. The Australian reports the ballot was boycotted by the Construction Forestry Mining and Energy Union and the Maritime Union of Australia, who were apparently angered by the AMWU’s lock on a seat that stands to be filled consecutively by three of the union’s leaders (George Campbell, Doug Cameron and now Tim Ayres).
• Samantha Hutchison of The Australian reports that Michael Danby, Labor’s member for Melbourne Ports since 1998, is “facing pressure to bow out” at the next election. Labor has held the seat since 1906, but Danby was given a two-pronged scare at the last election, only narrowly edging the Greens by 24,340 votes to 23,387 to survive to the final count, and then emerging with a 1.4% margin over the Liberals, down from 2.2% in 2013. According to the report, Ari Suss, a Linfox executive and former staffer to Steve Bracks who shares Danby’s Jewish background (together with Malcolm Turnbull’s seat of Wentworth, Melbourne is one of two seats in the country where over 10% of the population identifies as Jewish). The Greens have already preselected their candidate from 2016, Steph Hodgins-May, whom Danby placed last on his how-to-vote card after she pulled out of a debate organised by Zionism Victoria.
• Katie Burgess of the Canberra Times reports preselection reforms in Labor’s Australian Capital Territory branch have been “criticised by the party’s right as a way for the left to gain control of a possible third federal seat”, which the territory stands to gain with the latest population-related entitlement determination. The changes have dispensed with requirements that members be branch members for at least 12 months and attend a certain number of meetings in a year to be eligible to vote in preselection ballots, which will reportedly triple the voter base. Kirsten Lawson of the Canberra Times earlier reported that the most commonly mentioned name for a new position secured by the Left was Angie Drake, staffer to Deputy Chief Minister Yvette Berry and unsuccessful candidate for Brindabella at last year’s territory election.
• Sky News reports that John Ruddick, a prominent proponent of reforms to democratise the party’s preselection process, as endorsed a fortnight ago at a special party convention, will challenge Trent Zimmerman for preselection in his seat of North Sydney. Zimmerman is a moderate factional operative, and one of the Liberals’ four openly gay federal MPs.
• State upper house MP Mehreen Faruqi has announced she will seek preselection to lead the party’s Senate ticket at the next election, setting up a contest with Lee Rhiannon should she choose to nominate again, which is yet to be determined.
bemused @ #396 Sunday, August 6th, 2017 – 7:52 pm
Maybe she asked for it with her responses to people here? Ever considered that possibility, Bemused?
Nope, nope, nope. No matter how many times it’s pointedly pointed out to you you never take that fact on board, you just use any opportunity you can to take a swing at certain people here yourself, latterly using dtt as your pretence.
Too obvious.
Puffy:
Yes! And in Texas of all places 😆
https://www.facebook.com/MelissaPriceDurack/posts/672057013000436
Any PBers feel like commenting…? 😀
Trog,
“A lot of bankers and high end finance spivs seem to shave their heads. Like bovver boys.”
Yeah, Skimheads.
test
Bemused
Thank you, now I know the state of play re the alleged terror plotters.
I have a window into your beliefs too, it is easy to see, and it is the world as you would like it, not one that is, or ever was.
dtt likes provocation. It’s a device to gain attention. She’s not the only one to use it.
@ Bemused
To add to your list of facts re the terror raids, you forgot to mention the Daily Telegraph crew who just happened to be driving past as the police were about to initiate the terror raids.
C@tmomma @ #411 Sunday, August 6th, 2017 – 7:56 pm
As one who is frequently subjected to personal attacks, I naturally react to that behaviour against others.
One of the problems, of course, is that certain perpetrators appear to operate with impunity. Sad.
Confessions
Obviously Phoenix is a supporter of Pence in practical reality, since by cheering for the removal of Trump you get Pence.
So yes Phoenix and EVERYONE salivating at the prospect of Trump’s removal is in effect a pence supporter and if they are not aware of this then sadly they are thick as two very short planks.
Secondly every one of you who fan the flames of Russophobia is a war monger. Yes everyone of you. It is stupid beyond rationality and the fact that you are not aware of the possibility even probability that Russophobia may lead to a hot war and then even to a nuclear war says a great deal more about ignorance and complacency.
For crying out load you ignorami, Putin actually SAID that if pushed to hard and with limited other options he would use the nukes. Now sure he was probably 95% bluffing but the fact that he said it means that it IS on his options list.
War monger, war monger war monger! I am not going to be bullied into silence by people who read nothing, have analytical skills of a mouse and are too stubbornly emotional to even try to grasp any idea that is not vanilla or kraft cheddar.
There is the biggest risk of a nuclear war since 1962 and supposedly politically astute people here are too thick even to acknowledge the possibility and many actively inflaming passions that give rise to war.
Read the Pilger piece in the Guardian perhaps.
Puffy, The Magic Dragon. @ #416 Sunday, August 6th, 2017 – 8:01 pm
😀
Maybe she asked for it with her responses to people here?
I don’t know how old she is, but honestly her calling PR and Vic warmongers and Pence supporters is beyond childish. It also hints at total lack of comprehension when neither of these commenters have ever given the slightest hint that this is their end game. I think briefly is on the money: she’s here to troll and bait others. Nothing more.
grimace @ #418 Sunday, August 6th, 2017 – 8:02 pm
I was keeping it simple.
But isn’t Limited News headquartered in the vicinity?
confessions @ #422 Sunday, August 6th, 2017 – 8:06 pm
The irony!
DTT,
I think that the Americans voted for Trump, so they should have to endure him for the full three years.
Besides he seems to have slackened the thirst for RWNJ leaders in other countries. Perhaps Trump is best as a salient example.
grimace
Didn’t we have a prominent politician who used to be lucky with ‘passing press’.
oops, four years as US Prez.
bemused
Oh, bollocks. You are not subjected to personal attacks – you are sometimes criticised for making poor arguments but more often are pulled up on your unprovoked personal attacks on others. Of course, you take any criticism, however warranted, as a personal attack (and once described me disagreeing with an article you posted as a ‘personal attack’ on the basis that if you’d posted the article, obviously you personally identified with it…)
Jesus. This has to be among the most stupid things ever posted here.
Go away, you’re a complete bore and a total waste of time with your immature conspiracy theories and teenage-revenge attacks on other commenters whom you can’t even mount an adult rational argument against because you’re too busy attacking the commenter and have no plausible response to what they’ve posited.
bemused @ #410 Sunday, August 6th, 2017 – 8:04 pm
Yeah. Such as daretotread. Especially as far as you’re concerned.
However, if, as you say, ‘you naturally react in defence of those subject to personal attacks’, inter alia, then why don’t you come out in defence of those people here that dtt attacks? Hmm? Cat gets your tongue?
Now THAT’S sad, when someone reacts with the hypocritical inconsistency that you do, Bemused.
dtt
If Trump has indulged in behaviour which makes him unfit to be President, he will be impeached and someone else will take the job.
That’s a simple statement of fact.
To extrapolate out from that that anyone who makes statements along those lines is cheering for Pence is absurd.
It’s like accusing someone who remarks that the climate is heating up of being in favour of climate change.
Except they didn’t which is arguably why Trump’s approval rating with voters is in the toilet.
zoomster @ #428 Sunday, August 6th, 2017 – 8:11 pm
Oh right, so you won’t regard it as in any way a personal attack if I refer to you as an “asshole”?
And I don’t necessarily agree 100% with articles I link to. So don’t assume.
DTT
That would be the logical effect but it doesn’t follow the Phoenix supports Pence.
Confessions
If I were to drive very very fast along a road I probably would not have the intention of killing myself or others, but the reality is that it is a very high chance I will do so.
if I stand in the street yelling at my neighbours you are pigs, you injure animals, you smell and you destroy plants, I probably would not intend to get my face punched in or my car accidentally keyed”but there is a high chance that these will happen.
Similarly if I stand outside a cop shop yelling pigs, I may face some unpleasant retaliation.
Screaming Russophobia is doing JUST those things.
it is inciting violence.
If you cannot understand this i am sorry. It should be pretty bloody obvious.
zoomster @ #423 Sunday, August 6th, 2017 – 8:14 pm
Logic is not dtt’s strong suit, as you know.
Of course, Russia doesn’t need to start a nuclear war to kill Australians or anyone else. They have already taken Australian lives in Donetsk. Russia illegally annexed the Crimea and supports a civil war in Ukraine while making belligerent threats against Poland and the Baltic States.
Putin’s commanders ordered the destruction of a civilian airliner carrying Australian residents and citizens. There’s no Russophobia here. There is the correct recalling of events.
Putin is an actual threat to peace in Europe.
bemused
‘And I don’t necessarily agree 100% with articles I link to. So don’t assume.’
The point is that I didn’t, and then you told me that you did.
Don’t worry about Bemused.
He has a persecution complex, and appears obsessed with other commentators on PB.
Who cares, this aint real life!
Trog,
“We seriously need to take a look at all Sunbeam appliances.”
You are on fire tonight.
I agree, and imprison all members of their corporate management teams.
Ctari
Yes it does logically follow.
Or at least it logically follows that Phoenix regards Pence as much better than Trump and is comfortable with him in the Whitehouse for at least three years and probably 7. That is the reality.
If he/she did not implicitly LIKE Pence, then there would be little satisfaction in pushing for a Trump impeachment.
Those who maybe dislike Trump and have a mild preference for Pence would not post 25 articles each day salivating about the imminent trump removal.
Is there a Newspoll tonight, or will it appear tomorrow?
Indeed. Yet for some strange reason DTT believes that we understand that person will be HClinton.
Oh and something about being a Pence Booster if you want to see the back of Trump. She’s clearly dancing at the bottom of the garden with the rest of the pixies who thought Trump would be the lesser of two evils. 😆
confessions @ #365 Sunday, August 6th, 2017 – 7:27 pm
I’d 100% rule in opportunistic populism.
That’s my complaint with the AFP – seen to be far too close to the government. That might be slightly unfair to them because they do have to serve their political masters, but there are ways of making their discomfort obvious. (same with the ADF with that stupid Trumble in front of the commandos shite).
It is glaringly obvious that this government is so utterly devoid of any sense of propriety that they would step back from going too far. It then falls to the agencies to fight to maintain their independence. I don’t think they are doing that forcefully enough (or at all). Shit situation for them to be in, but they need to suck it up and do it or they accept being party to some very dangerous steps along the road to tyranny.
daretotread
Confessions
if I stand in the street yelling at my neighbours you are pigs, you injure animals, you smell and you destroy plants…. there is a high chance that these will happen.
Oh, I’d like to see that!
Airlines:
Hopefully there’s a Newspoll tonight. Weekend media has done its best to find rifts in the Liberals ahead of its meeting tomorrow over SSM. Perfect fomenting of polling ahead of headlines tomorrow morning.
dtt
No, it doesn’t.
If I accuse someone 0f murder, and that means that someone else gets their job, that doesn’t make me responsible for the performance of the new employee.
dtt is determined to defend Trump ‘cos the T is Putin’s poodle. Pure & Simple.
Puff
Very well said.
The yanks voted for Trump. They should live with it, If they remove him now many will believe they were “robbed”and just vote in a clone next time.
If they had let him rule for 4 years to see the mess he made then they would possibly return to a saner choice.
briefly – That’s got to be the ‘logic’.
DTT,
I would be glad for Turnbull to be dumped. That does not make me a Dutton supporter.
The sooner and bigger that Trump fails the better for the world. If we have to pay for the lesson with Pence then so be it. It will be the people like you, who supported Trump, who will have to bear the responsibility for installing Pence.
Did I miss a notice that declared tonight crazy comment night?
C@tmomma @ #396 Sunday, August 6th, 2017 – 7:52 pm
Again, I’m not saying that these people don’t have the right to vote no under the present policy, just that Bill can count. If Bill can count and isn’t acting as though no votes from his own side could end up making him look as big a dick as Trumble then I think it’s safe to assume appropriate accommodations have been made with these people.
It could be that some Libs who can’t quite bring themselves to cross the floor are feeling rather unwell and a pair is required, it could be a quid pro quo in another area, it could just be that these people are happy to bring down Trumble even if it means they have to give up voting no for something they are going to have to vote yes to soon enough anyway.
So the major point is that those clutching at straws of Shoppies scuttling marriage equality are doing just that – clutching at straws. We’re a long way yet from getting down to the last SDA vote, but if and when it comes to it I’d continue to have my money on Shorten. That bet pays off so often it’s amazing the odds you can still get for it.
CTar1
briefly – That’s got to be the ‘logic’.
dtt has said as much themselves. At its heart, it is a deeply disingenuous argument. Trump is favoured not because he’s competent and honest but because he’s hopelessly inadequate and totally compromised.
Well said Wuestion.
Er that should be Question.
adrian @ #431 Sunday, August 6th, 2017 – 8:19 pm
Yeah, I make that mistake often. Expecting all people on PB to be sane and rational.
CTar1
Did I miss a notice that declared tonight crazy comment night?
Bonfire of the Sanities!
Nope, she’s determined to defend Trump because all through the campaign and the period between election and inauguration she told us that Trump was gonna be cool, the lesser of two evils and therefore US foreign policy was gonna be sweet. Always back the horse called self interest. 🙂
She hightailed it from the blog once her assertions turned to shit (as the rest of us predicted), but for some reason has returned to continue to assert the same shit with Trump except this time 6 months into his term (where the evidence of her earlier assertions are so totally laid bare as the bullshit they were), for reasons known only to DTT.
Who knows what motivates such people to constantly self-flagellate?
CTar1 @ #384 Sunday, August 6th, 2017 – 7:40 pm
In my case, removing the splitter was what told them the line was ok and the problem was with the splitter – i.e. the ADSL worked better with the splitter removed. But the phone line still didn’t work until the splitter was replaced, because you need the splitter to remove the frequencies used by ADSL.