Essential Research has Labor’s lead back to 53-47 after a dip to 52-48 last week, with both the Coalition and Labor on 37% of the primary vote, which is one down in the Coalition’s case and one up in Labor’s. The Greens are steady on 10%, and One Nation is down one to 7%. After last week’s poll had a headline-grabbing dip in support for same-sex marriage, this week’s has it back up: support has been registered at 59% three weeks ago, 55% last week and 58% this week, with opposition tracking from 31% to 34% to 33%. Forty-four per cent of supporters report having voted, compared with only 28% of opponents. Further questions probe the impact of the no campaign’s efforts to shift the focus to religious freedom: 34% of respondents profess themselves concerned about the impact of allowing same-sex marriage on religious freedom, with 58% not very concerned or not at all concerned, and 24% say their concerns have increased “over the last couple of weeks”, compared with 61% for stayed the same and 5% for decreased.
The survey also contains an intriguing set of questions on beliefs in various religious and scientific questions, which show rather a lot more people than I might have figured believe in heaven and hell, angels and demons, ghosts, extraterrestrial visitations and the biblical account of creation. However, few outside The Australian’s op-ed page believe global warming is a hoax perpetrated by scientists; even fewer believe that vibrations from wind farms can cause long-term health damage; and fewer still believe that vaccines cause the autism. A further series of questions on private health insurance finds strong support for government intervention to keep down premiums.
There was also a ReachTEL poll of federal voting intention in Western Australia in Saturday’s edition of The West Australian, which had the Coalition ahead 51-49, representing a 3.7% swing to Labor compared with last year’s election – a fairly modest result compared with other polling from the state. After exclusion of the 8% undecided, the primary votes are Coalition 39.2% (48.7% at last year’s election), Labor 30.8% (32.5%), Greens 13.3% (12.1%) and One Nation 10.7%. The poll also recorded a 63-37 split in favour of same-sex marriage, and found strong support for measures in the recent state budget to increase the gold mining royalty rate (58% in favour) and increase payroll tax on businesses with payrolls of over $100 million (61% in favour), although the cutting of 3000 public sector jobs had only 34% support, with 37.5% opposed. The poll was conducted last Thursday from a sample of 1723.
The disqualification of dual citizens is peculiar. Very few legislatures around the world are subject to this.
‘briefly
Boerwar
This is simply another one of the difficulties posed by Brexit. As for the refugees, there are quite a few camped in Calais, unable to get into the UK. They could already be trying to enter the UK through Ireland to N. Ireland but seemingly find it more difficult to travel from France to Ireland than France to England.’
Schizophrenia is fine, except for dealing with reality. The UK will never be able to eat its cake and have it too.
Boerwar
‘briefly
Boerwar
This is simply another one of the difficulties posed by Brexit. As for the refugees, there are quite a few camped in Calais, unable to get into the UK. They could already be trying to enter the UK through Ireland to N. Ireland but seemingly find it more difficult to travel from France to Ireland than France to England.’
Schizophrenia is fine, except for dealing with reality. The UK will never be able to eat its cake and have it too.
The neo-Imperialists still have not quite got the message. They think they are far more important than they actually are. They will find out that the cake is just made of wax…perfectly indigestible, ok to look at, completely without nutritional value.
Anti-multiple citizenship measures are not good. They just make people’s lives harder by subjecting them to immigration controls and other restriction in places they have strong roots or settled lives. They discriminate against poor people who will find it harder to get visas. In today’s global world with so much migration and international families, such measures are increasingly messy.
Those camped in Calais trying to get to the UK have a much greater chance of getting to the UK than Ireland because it is closer and also bigger so there is more traffic to sneak across on.
Tom the first and best
Anti-multiple citizenship measures are not good. They just make people’s lives harder by subjecting them to immigration controls and other restriction in places they have strong roots or settled lives. They discriminate against poor people who will find it harder to get visas. In today’s global world with so much migration and international families, such measures are increasingly messy.
I agree. And I think we should repeal the prohibition on the election of dual citizens to Parliament. This is archaic and is really very unusual compared with other jurisdictions. It is sufficient that a person be a citizen and eligible to enrol as an elector for them stand for Parliament.
[briefly
Barney, the question of foreign citizenship is not a matter of Australian law. It arises because of the operation of foreign laws. In essence, the intricacies of foreign laws are affecting our electoral system. It’s just rubbish.]
But we have our own laws.
We can say if you want to become an Australian you need to renounce your rights to all other citizenship.
Just the same as we can say if you are an Australian and you wish to take up another citizenship then you lose you rights as an Australian citizen as soon as that happens.
Other countries do it.
I’m campaigning to have it changed by a referendum, starting right now.
briefly @ #1555 Friday, September 29th, 2017 – 6:40 pm
Yes we should just change he law because a bunch of pollies didn’t do their due dilligence
The land border between Eire and Northern Ireland is 500km long.
If it is 100% porous for goods and services it is going to be 100% porous for people.
If they want to make it 0% porous for people, they will have to build a hard border – which is exactly what they are trying to avoid for goods and services.
Barney in Go Dau
[briefly
Barney, the question of foreign citizenship is not a matter of Australian law. It arises because of the operation of foreign laws. In essence, the intricacies of foreign laws are affecting our electoral system. It’s just rubbish.]
But we have our own laws.
We can say if you want to become an Australian you need to renounce your rights to all other citizenship.
Sykes illustrates that it is not sufficient simply to become an Australian citizen, even if this also involves making an oath of allegiance and expressly denying other allegiance/s. The operation of the laws of other countries give rise to foreign citizenship, even when it is not sought or invoked. On a very tough construction, s 44(i) would disqualify from Parliament any person who may once have had a foreign allegiance even if they no longer have that allegiance and have become sole citizens.
Dual citizenship is very common. Maybe as many as half of all Australians are dual citizens or could easily acquire foreign citizenships. All these people have the rights of citizens, including the right to enrol to vote. It is highly peculiar that persons eligible to vote may not also be eligible to nominate for election.
The Government has succeeded in getting inequality off the agenda by engaging in the LGBTI culture wars and by engaging in energy wars.
To that extent, they are winning.
The question, winning with what and to what end will be answered sometime during the next ten Newspolls.
antonbruckner11
“If you employ someone as a bricklayer and he lies about his qualifications, but builds a good quality wall, are you entitled to sue him for the entire salary?”
Salary for being an MP has nothing to do with the quality of the wall & everything to do with being eligible to attend, which they weren’t so shouldn’t have been paid.
Many other Nations do have loss of citizenship laws. They tend to be the more closed and immigration hostile nations, especially these days. The world-wide trend is in favour of allowing multiple citizenships. Loss of citizenship laws also rarely apply to dual citizenships by birth (which have increased since gender equality and family unity caused citizenship by decent to apply for both parents in many nations).
[Barney in Go Dau
ATO scammers obviously don’t your occupation.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-09-29/ato-scammer-cracks-under-questioning-queensland-lawyer/9000132%5D
Our home phone has not been visited by these crooks, however there have been several calls with the opening line (wtte) “I’m ringing about your involvement in a recent road incident”. The opening line could be scary for some people (and I admit that made me a bit concerned for a few seconds to assure myself that I hadn’t been involved in anything).
I haven’t listened to the whole spiel but I presume it would ask me to provide all my details to receive a “compensation payout”.
I would have paid all of the seven malfeasants for the value of their contributions.
I want all of my money back.
Boerwar
The land border between Eire and Northern Ireland is 500km long.
If it is 100% porous for goods and services it is going to be 100% porous for people.
It is already a porous border, in every sense.
(Both the EU and the UK have said they want it stay that way, as have the Government of Ireland and the parties in N. Ireland. That is, no-one wants to change it.)
‘Barney in Go Dau
ATO scammers obviously don’t your occupation.’
That is that cleared up then.
Simon Katich
The greens have added kale, while everyone else is trying to sweeten it.
Pickling/fermentation should work. Kimchi comes to mind.
Kale is something to be avoided at all costs. I don’t see that anything would improve it, beyond chucking it out and starting again. This time with proper food ingredients.
It is a con by those who would have us eat horrible things in the name of trendiness.
Anything good to eat usually involves cream, butter, eggs and flour.
William Bowe
If you don’t like 44i then I look forward to watching your campaign to have it changed by a referendum.
Otherwise you have just huffing and puffing pointlessly and repeatedly.
I’m campaigning to have it changed by a referendum, starting right now.
Where do I enlist?
‘briefly
Boerwar
The land border between Eire and Northern Ireland is 500km long.
If it is 100% porous for goods and services it is going to be 100% porous for people.
It is already a porous border, in every sense.
(Both the EU and the UK have said they want it stay that way, as have the Government of Ireland and the parties in N. Ireland. That is, no-one wants to change it.)’
Yeah. I get it that no-one wants it to change. But then again the whole idea of Brexit is to stop the free flow of humans into the UK.
In order to achieve that, they are going to have to build a hard border.
Unless they have some other magic pudding-type solution.
It is not highly peculiar that some people enrolled to vote cannot stand for Parliament. Government office restrictions are quite common restriction. Length of citizenship/residence requirements are also not unheard of. New Zealand allows permanent residents to vote but only citizens to stand. Many places also have greater criminal punishment restrictions on office baring than voting.
don @ #1568 Friday, September 29th, 2017 – 6:58 pm
did you forget to mention sugar ?
Boerwar
The land border between Eire and Northern Ireland is 500km long.
If it is 100% porous for goods and services it is going to be 100% porous for people.
If they want to make it 0% porous for people, they will have to build a hard border – which is exactly what they are trying to avoid for goods and services.
Time to admit that Brexit was a bad idea, and abandon the idea.
Unscrambling an egg is a difficult exercise.
Boerwar
‘briefly
Yeah. I get it that no-one wants it to change. But then again the whole idea of Brexit is to stop the free flow of humans into the UK.
In order to achieve that, they are going to have to build a hard border.
Unless they have some other magic pudding-type solution.
They have the Irish Sea. The idea is that for customs and immigration purposes the border will move from the terrestrial frontier to the sea ports.
The Bernardi dress school ended up raising $280,000. 930 African girls educated.
The NRL Macklemore bloke is topping iTunes.
Tip for progressive causes, tip off some right wing nut about your cause…
I’ll say one thing for the new format – I have not yet encountered the dreaded firewall.
don
Don’t forget cheese. Another essential in delish foods 🙂
briefly
Some of the Brits were suggesting that Eire could start controlling the flow of humans, goods and services between Eire and the EU, and that that would solve the whole problem (for the UK).
The Taoiseach told them to get stuffed. Politely.
don @ #1573 Friday, September 29th, 2017 – 7:02 pm
which version of Brexit are you referring to ?
citizen
[Barney in Go Dau
ATO scammers obviously don’t your occupation.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-09-29/ato-scammer-cracks-under-questioning-queensland-lawyer/9000132%5D
Our home phone has not been visited by these crooks, however there have been several calls with the opening line (wtte) “I’m ringing about your involvement in a recent road incident”. The opening line could be scary for some people (and I admit that made me a bit concerned for a few seconds to assure myself that I hadn’t been involved in anything).
I haven’t listened to the whole spiel but I presume it would ask me to provide all my details to receive a “compensation payout”.
Can’t get that link to work.
Try this one:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-09-29/ato-scammer-cracks-under-questioning-queensland-lawyer/9000132
don
Latest polling has 52% against Brexit.
Some would have noticed that prices have gone up and that the UK economy is now growing much, much slower than the EU economy.
It will get worse. Maybe it will get worse before it gets better. But it will definitely get worse.
It’s possible you could include holistically changing s44 as a part of a republic constitutional proposal – as the section would need to be altered to remove references to the monarch and crown. That would overcome the issue of apathy killing the referendum question.
OTOH, it does run the risk of serving as a poison pill for a republic question, so that might be too cocky of a strategy.
[Boerwar
The land border between Eire and Northern Ireland is 500km long.
If it is 100% porous for goods and services it is going to be 100% porous for people.]
There are two possible options using experience elsewhere- a wall Trump style or a no man’s land Korean DMZ style. Of course, digging a canal and policing it Australian border security style might also work.
don
I would go ahead were I you. It is just like Brexit and Trump and the No case. Everyone is a winner. Especially you.
citizen
Neither Eire nor Northern Irealand want a hard border because of various reasons, but the elephant in the room is a return to the Troubles.
Boerwar
briefly
Some of the Brits were suggesting that Eire could start controlling the flow of humans, goods and services between Eire and the EU, and that that would solve the whole problem (for the UK).
The Taoiseach told them to get stuffed. Politely.
Yes…the result would be that N. Ireland becomes a free-trade/free-movment enclave. It would become steadily more integrated with Ireland. The Royalists are agin it for that reason. The customs and immigration barriers would be within the UK. Effectively, Brexit under these terms would result in the partial dismemberment of the UK. As well, you’d expect that N. Ireland would remain subject to the jurisdiction of the ECJ. This is part of the price of Brexit – the effective surrender of territory. The UK may keep Gibraltar and lose Belfast.
b
I think that the Tories wet dream is that Northern Ireland would get all the rights of the UK under Brexit and all the rights of Eire.
I can’t even begin to understand how they think all that is going to work in practice.
Maybe the UK and the EU will cobble together some short-term bullshit flim flam and then deal with the consequent issues as they arise.
From an EU POV, Eire is not a big fish, after all.
Tom the first and best
I’m only a permanent resident but will get a “threatening letter” if I don’t vote ! Have received 2 such letters,one Fed one State 1) Fed.Did not realise I was enrolled,union had done it for me 2) State, slackness, choice between voting or another round of beer. Well would you vote for “WA Inc” Labor ? 🙂
Shows you how much rules have changed since the “back in the day” I was enrolled.
The neo-Imperialists just do not understand the disdain in which they are held. No-one – literally no-one – in the world will take them seriously.
rex:
did you forget to mention sugar ?
Yes, a major omission. As was cheese, thank you Poroti for that, my bad.
And there should be good fruit available, as well as fine quality meat and goose fat, or at least (perhaps especially) foie gras.
So many good things to eat and drink, and to take great pleasure in their ingestion.
Kale is an invention of the people who wear hair shirts for pleasure.
Err.. Lizzies post (and going back in time after that) from 9.51am as top posts…
Boerwar
b
I think that the Tories wet dream is that Northern Ireland would get all the rights of the UK under Brexit and all the rights of Eire.
The Tory dream is that the Irish will do as they have always been expected to do – to submit to Westminster.
For their part, the EU have made it very clear the UK will get nothing unless the Ireland/N. Ireland border question is settled on terms of which they approve – that is, on terms that Dublin will accept.
This will mean the quasi-partition of the UK with respect to customs and immigration law.
The EU will do to the UK what the UK did in India…nice.
Rex:
which version of Brexit are you referring to ?
The one where Britain exits the EU.
I like your style don 😆
Barney in Go Dau @ #1546 Friday, September 29th, 2017 – 6:22 pm
I tend to agree but would like to hear counter-arguments.
For most purposes, PR in another country should suffice. Citizenship should not be necessary as it entails loyalty and that loyalty could become conflicted.
Has this been mentioned yet?
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-09-29/northcote-by-election-labor-greens-poll/9000732
Greens primary on 40%, Labor 27%, 17% undecided.
Time was, a “subject” of a country “belonged” to that country, or originally to the crown. It was very difficult to revoke one’s duty as a subject. This gave rise to the idea that a person could not be a subject of two powers – be expected to serve two crowns.
This idea is utterly anachronistic. The legal provisions relating to citizenship are changed very frequently. In a post-feudal world, citizenship bears very little resemblance to the notion of a “subject”.
This area needs to be reformed. The imputation made of dual citizens is that they are in some way likely to be disloyal. This is idiotic.
briefly @ #1549 Friday, September 29th, 2017 – 6:24 pm
Purely your opinion and not a fact.
Not yet, but here’s my Northcote by-election guide. I’ll put a post up about it and the New South Wales by-elections this evening.