After a week of post-Ipsos hype, The Australian reports the latest Newspoll finds absolutely no change whatsoever on voting intention since a fortnight ago: Labor’s two-party lead is at 53-47, and the primary votes are Coalition 37%, Labor 39%, Greens 9% and One Nation 5%. Scott Morrison is down one on approval to 42% and up three on disapproval to 48%, while Bill Shorten is down one to 35% and up two to 53%. Morrison’s lead as preferred prime minister is unchanged at 44-35. The poll was conducted Thursday to Sunday from a sample of 1582.
Rex Douglas says:
Monday, February 25, 2019 at 1:18 pm
briefly @ #577 Monday, February 25th, 2019 – 1:16 pm
Rex Douglas, you’re calling for the suppression of a religious organisation. That is absolutely extraordinary. Suffice it to say you are a troll. Trolls will troll.
go your hardest, briefly
Oh, you do all the heavy lifting around here, RD. You are a trolls’ troll. It’s plain for all to see. There’s no need for load-sharing. You have a trope for every occasion. Sectarian hate. Give it a good run. You’ll feel even dirtier than usual after.
Rex Douglas says: Monday, February 25, 2019 at 1:24 pm
The wrecking of the ATM government will come once Shorten creates the Federal ICAC. The corruption of the Liberals and Nats will be exposed for all to see.
Wouldn’t 3 polls in a row shrink that MOE?
briefly @ #590 Monday, February 25th, 2019 – 1:24 pm
ANY organisation with the rate and extent of abuse and it being hidden by senior leadership, should be outlawed.
Back then I was fussy.
TPOF says:
Monday, February 25, 2019 at 1:20 pm
Very well observed, TPOF.
Perhaps the Nationals’ $250 voucher can be put towards a holiday in Spain?
briefly @ #595 Monday, February 25th, 2019 – 1:29 pm
Nail me to the cross, briefly.
Having been raised a catholic, having numerous (practising) catholic members of family, knowing quite a bishop, a few priests and several members of religious orders, and having numerous catholic friends, I can say that they are on the whole a decent bunch of people. Some are more active than others in terms of supporting homeless people, hungry people and others who have run into life’s strife. Some don’t.
In their daily life they are practically indistinguishable from my non catholic friends and relations. You could not pick them one from the other.
They are human and are subject to the usual plethora of human frailties.
They also belong to a religious organization that has, quite literally and far too often, betrayed them.
Their responses are various: Many have left the church but probably still live according to Christian principles. Others still seek to reform the church from within (one such reform pattern is vastly increased power of parishioners and marks a return to the pattern of christian meetings in the early days: no church, just a gathering of parishioners in someone’s home to pray and to figure out ways to lead a life according to Christ. (If you want to see the good in the Roman Catholic Church, spend a week in Oznam House.) Others are determined to reform the hierarchy. Considerable reforms have been enacted. Few reasonable observers can have any doubt at all that child sex abuse rates by Catholic priests in Australia have declined drastically.
I have no difficulty with reasoned critiques of the Roman Catholic Church. After all, two of my ex teachers are in jail for child sex abuse. One of my classmates suicided soon after we left our HSC year. The horrible sadism at said school affects me to this day and will, I am certain, be with me until the day I die. My view is that the Pope’s bureaucrats in the Vatican are dominated by a what is effectively a criminal protection racket.
Whether the Roman Catholic Church will survive the current global wave of horrible behaviour, I don’t know. It has proven to be a remarkably resilient institution for these past 2000 years or so.
All that said, may I suggest that Bludger critics (and Bludger supporters) of the Roman Catholic Church try not to eviscerate each other personally in posts about the RCC?
Alan Shore @ #596 Monday, February 25th, 2019 – 1:29 pm
I’ll believe that when I see it.
briefly @ #596 Monday, February 25th, 2019 – 10:24 am
They can have all the freedom of religion they like. What they can’t have is the freedom to operate as if they were above the law, to violate the rights of others with impunity and the ability to avoid payment of compensation to those whose lives have been damaged by their unlawful and illegal behaviour.
As an atheist I am wholly sick and tired of having the position of religious people and in particular religious organisations being given dominance over and above the rights of all others in our society.
For the record, I grew up in a religious home and have nothing but fond memories of my time as a part of the church community.
Morrison says Ita has “done more for journalism than just about any other”.
That’s Cleo and Women’s Weekly. A stint with Highlife (NSW southern highlands real estate and gossipy wankery). Some magazine about dogs called Woof. Anything else? Maybe it was the male nudes in Cleo.
BB@9:21am
David Crowe in SMH after last Ipsos poll wrote about Medevac bill – “Is this Morrison Tampa moment”. Ramped it straight to 11 out of 10.
Our own BW straight after he returned from his sojourn – “IMO ALP may loose the election because of Medevac bill”
After Ipsos A lot of PBers were like cat on a hot tin roof.
Nerves of some on PBrrs were very jumpy and/ or before Newspoll
For example, last night after fake newspoll was published by sprocket
a) Mundo went absolutely berserk with his post
b) C@tmomma almost had a “heart attack”. (About a month ago I had minor Heart attack while I was overseas and believe me that experience was not pleasant. My doctor and other friends and family told me to take it easy)
So, self proclaimed “centrist” borewar is now criticising Gillian Triggs, huh? Next he’ll be telling us that the IPA (who share his views on Ms Triggs) are really just misunderstood “centrists”.
One can only wonder how many of the other IPA policies he supports, or whether in fact he’s actually an IPA member himself. That would certainly explain why his major concern with Brexit was that all the chaps in The City would flee Britain, and none at all for all the lives those same chaps have ruined under the “centrist” policies of Thatcher/Major/Blair/Brown/Cameron.
Boerwar @ #603 Monday, February 25th, 2019 – 1:33 pm
Why these good people you talk of adhere to such a sadistic organisation , I don’t know.
They should denounce the cult and organise their own structure and faith.
https://www.pollbludger.net/2019/02/24/newspoll-53-47-labor-16/comment-page-12/#comment-3083671
Boyz from Rome? “As Francis McDormond said in Three Billboards: “You joined a gang, man” … https://youtu.be/kjtIyY480YY“!
Another RWNJ being tackled by a sensible sounding independant.
https://the-riotact.com/is-this-the-candidate-who-could-topple-zed-seselja/288191
Zed has had at least one close scrape already.
Rex Douglas @ #576 Monday, February 25th, 2019 – 1:13 pm
Shorten will win the election without resorting to such dishonesty … but it says something about you that you would recommend such a course.
+1 re the Catholic Church, although maybe they could just be covered by the bikie laws like other organisations that think they are beyond the commoners law. Noting that the institution of the church is different to the religion.
Kenny and Devine on Sky just now frothing at the mouth about shifting the timing of the dawn service at Villers Bretonneux to 10 am. They were thanking Morrison for stepping in and forcing it back to 10 am. They reckon the museum/memorial thingie there cost $1 billion. Now THAT is insane, IMO.
Meanwhile, the other 25,000,000 Australians are just getting on with struggling with declining standards of living and the increasingly bastard consequences of Global Warming.
lizzie @ #585 Monday, February 25th, 2019 – 10:18 am
That looks like a stock photo that can be used by anyone who pays the licensing fee.
Good pickup on the steering wheel being on the wrong side of the car for Australia though.
briefly @ #596 Monday, February 25th, 2019 – 1:24 pm
Not here on PB, apparently 🙁
Under advice from an expert, this is exactly what I say to my highly strung child. It never works.
riefly says:
Monday, February 25, 2019 at 1:24 pm
grimace, I can see you’re angry. However, it would not stop with the Catholics. The churches of the Adventists and the Methodists, the Anglicans, the Greeks and the Pentecostals, the Muslim Mosques, the Jewish Temples and the Hindu Shrines would have to follow. Revenge would have no rest.
Not for nothing, freedom of religion is a foundational human right.
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Freedom of religion as it applies to individuals is a fundamental human right. It does not provide immunity from responsibility for individuals and organisations for their acts or omissions . We are free to believe whatever we wish but we must behave in accordance with the accepted standards of our society. The catholic church, many other organisations and many individuals failed to do this and should be penalised in some way.
Given the history I understand why ‘boats’ give some people the jitter’s, but this is a good summary.
ScumMo’s emission reduction fund has been exposed already as the barrel of pork and business welfare I suggested it was this morning. $1 million for a mining company to build a gas plant it was going to build anyway. As I said, not “Direct Action” but “Direct Donation”.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/feb/25/emissions-reduction-fund-to-pay-for-fossil-fuel-plant-that-would-be-built-anyway
They are shameless. Public money is given to friends and supporters, while welfare is withdrawn from the needy. The problem with the Liberals is not (primarily) incompetence. It is sheer greed and corruption. ScumMo is a conman in a clown costume.
So looking at the picture the Nats have for their Senior Card Travel rebate thingy….are they being sneaky by applying it to left hand drive cars only….?……lol
The Nations trio of funniest comedians: Shanahan,Kenny and Benson.
As Frances McDormand said, there’s altar boy fucking. And other boy fucking. There’s a penalty for that, and for the institution that nurtured it. The gang.
But then there’s tax concessions. That means my tax is supporting the gang, and the altar boy fucking. My money is keeping the fuckers in food and lodging. And I don’t like that.
Did anybody ever read the magazine Ita?
Jane Turner explained everything that it was ever about when sssssatirizing on Fast Forward/Full Frontal…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0s0XbEUAWFU
HUMAN INDUCED CLIMATE CHANGE DENIERS DO IT AGAIN
Nearly 60 industrial sites had already got the green light to increase emissions recently , cancelling out cuts paid for by Coalition using Tony Abbott’s so called “Direct Action” carbon emissions policy before Morrison re-branded something already existent and made it easier to exploit.
The increases were very recently quietly approved under the “safeguard mechanism”, which was introduced as part of Direct Action to ensure cuts paid for using the main part of the policy – the emission reduction fund – were not undone by emissions increasing in other parts of the economy.
Under the safeguard mechanism, government agency the Clean Energy Regulator sets an emissions limit for each large industrial site based on its highest level of emissions over the previous five years. But companies can apply to have the limit recalculated.
An analysis of data on the regulator’s website by consultants RepuTex Carbon found the regulator had simultaneously allowed 57 industrial sites to increase emissions above their previous highest level.
If all sites emitted to their newly approved level, it could add up to 22m tonnes of carbon dioxide to the atmosphere each year – 4% of Australia’s annual emissions.
Based on the average price paid by the government – $11.90 per tonne of carbon dioxide – it would effectively cancel out up to $261.8m of emissions cuts a year.
Unsurprislingly, the biggest increases allowed under the safeguard mechanism have been for coalmining operations, including Whitehaven’s Maules Creek open cut mine in New South Wales, BM Alliance’s Broadmeadow mine in Queensland and Citic Pacific’s Sino Iron project in the Pilbara.
Source: https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/feb/19/emissions-increases-approved-by-regulator-may-wipe-out-260m-of-direct-action-cuts
This so called ‘new’ climate change policy announced today in nothing more than Morrison using public funding for extending the life coal fired power stations by stealth with a simple re-branding of Abbott’s ‘Direct Action’ policy and giving a Green light to coal miners and others to up their emission output by fiddling with the books of the so called Clean Energy Regulator.
The environment and energy minister, Josh Frydenberg, said “the safeguard mechanism was operating in accordance with legislation, rules and regulations ” [which we are changing to suit coal, iron ore and other miners as we speak].
Evidence ?
As noted by an on the ball PBer earlier,
The Morrison government’s emissions reduction fund – rebadged as a “climate solutions” policy and to be boosted with an extra $2bn – is being used to help one of the world’s biggest gold miners pay for a fossil fuel power plant the company concedes it would have built anyway.
Fund opponents say it is the latest evidence that design flaws in the scheme are leading to taxpayers’ money being wasted on projects that are commercially viable even without public support. In some cases, the climate funding is going to new fossil fuel projects on the grounds that they are cleaner than the dirty projects they replace.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/feb/25/emissions-reduction-fund-to-pay-for-fossil-fuel-plant-that-would-be-built-anyway
because the current mob is an irredeemable rabble.
The only thing that saved them last time was enough dopes were still falling for the Malcolm Myth to image they were a redeemable rabble.
The buyers remorse set in about 2 minutes into that clown’s victory speech.
Nothing is going to save them.
PuffyTMD @ #527 Monday, February 25th, 2019 – 11:24 am
Ummm, didn’t the Greens vote with Labor and independents in the House and Senate to pass this legislation? Weren’t their votes as critical as everyone else’s?
You don’t have to hate the Greens like briefly does but show some respect for the facts.
Peter Stanton @ #624 Monday, February 25th, 2019 – 1:47 pm
There is a difference between calling for an organization to be subject to the normal rule of law (which of course it should) and declaring that the organization should be banned.
Except to some here on PB.
lizzie @ #521 Monday, February 25th, 2019 – 11:16 am
In her position, even being asked about the weather is a dangerous question for her.
@Player One
PO is supporting the Church who abused thousands of children, and they also don’t pay taxes.
Let’s not forget all the crimes the Church has done in the name of god, including early Europe.
The right-hand drive is give-away, or is that how they drive in regional NSW?
“Chris Kenny just said 53/47 puts the gov in the Moe and makes it 50/50 really.”
Then again its more likely to be 56/44
EB
Thanks for those depressing details. Under the COALition climate change “action” is as depressing as the MDB “solution”. First buy a scarce asset at public expense. Then give it to your business mates for much less than it cost. Environmental concern becomes an excuse to transfer public money to wealthy private hands.
I agree we really need an ICAC and a full examination of ScumMo and his merry men. I have to say though, that when authorities with Orwellian names like the “Clean Air Regulator” sign off on this, I have to wonder if people are breaking the law. I thought the Federal public service had legal and ethical obligations to act in the public interest. It seems hard to believe they are meeting those.
nath @ #560 Monday, February 25th, 2019 – 12:04 pm
And equally 56/44.
EB @ #631 Monday, February 25th, 2019 – 1:53 pm
The sooner we get rid of these mendacious bastards, the better off we will all be.
Election now!
In the Nats add, notice how it is the man in the drivers seat too…
Zoidlord @ #636 Monday, February 25th, 2019 – 1:57 pm
I am not supporting the church, or indeed any particular religion. I am just not in favour of banning any.
Except perhaps a good case can be made for banning Scientology 🙁
I was in Italy middle of last year and have to say that this guy really gave me the pips. Although many Italians I spoke to saw him as saviour of their country. Made me nauseous to say the least.
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ROME — Italy’s interior minister and vice premier, Matteo Salvini, went off the grid for 12 hours during an official state visit to Moscow last October. Tales of Russian prostitutes seemed to explain the time lapse for the single statesman. But a new exposé by the Italian newsmagazine L’Espresso suggests that his time may have been spent doing something far more sinister: he may have been making backroom deals with Russian operatives ahead of European Parliamentary elections.
boerwar @ 11.56am
LOL. I think she can get away with it as it’s in the form of a fridge magnet made out to Mr John A Citizen. Probably not too many of those around, although I could change my name!
I was in town earlier today and see she has opened a rather large office on the main shopping street here in Wagga. The Nats must have plenty of money. Personally I think Joe McGirr will get back in so she is wasting her time. The stink from the previous Liberal member has still not dissipated and the Nats haven’t held the seat since 1941 (as the Country Party).
Here is article
https://www.thedailybeast.com/an-italian-expose-documents-moscow-money-allegedly-funding-italys-far-right-salvini?source=twitter&via=desktop
the tax exempt status of religions is a big problem. Even the scientologists get it. Any pastor with a decent con can make a great windfall, there are examples in every city.
hundreds if not thousands of paedophiles are kept by churches as retired priests etc, housing, bills, cars etc paid for by our tax dollars really.
Religious organisations should only be exempt for the money they actually spend on fully audited charitable projects.
‘Dan Gulberry says:
Monday, February 25, 2019 at 1:40 pm
So, self proclaimed “centrist” borewar is now criticising Gillian Triggs, huh? Next he’ll be telling us that the IPA (who share his views on Ms Triggs) are really just misunderstood “centrists”.
One can only wonder how many of the other IPA policies he supports, or whether in fact he’s actually an IPA member himself. That would certainly explain why his major concern with Brexit was that all the chaps in The City would flee Britain, and none at all for all the lives those same chaps have ruined under the “centrist” policies of Thatcher/Major/Blair/Brown/Cameron.’
1. When did I ‘proclaim myself to be a Centrist’? Not that I mind, particularly. The political centre is what parties need to capture in order to form government and make a real difference.
2. I am not sure why the IPA views Ms Triggs the way they do. That is up to them. Why I despise Ms Triggs is because she seeks to damage the Labor Party by a few simplistic attacks in a complex context on complex subjects. AFAIK, she is just another Greens grandstander. This has nothing to do with Centrism. It is a judgement about the practical political impacts of her intervention. What she could have fucking said was that she acknowledges that Labor took serious political risks to support the role of doctors and of medical evacuation from Manus and Nauru and good on them. Nope. She sticks the boot in.
3. I am not aware of sharing ANY IPA policies at all. I have been through their list of 75 objectives and I think they stink.
4. The reason I raised issues around the City is quite specific. It is not about whether the chaps or the functions will disappear or not. Or even whether they ought to disappear. The reason is whether the Brexiteers (Labour and Tory alike) have explained to ordinary British people that one impact of Brexit will be to drive the City into the EU. It has already started. The City puts in around 65 billion quid in taxes. That is a lot of hospitals, schools, social housing and the like that Brexit will chase out of Britain. My comment is that this is just one dismal failure among a jumble of failures of leadership by both May and Corbyn. Ordinary Brits still don’t get how very, very properly Brexit is going to screw them. Although the glimmer might be starting to get through.
5. You continue to misconstrue my statements about the centre. It is not ideological. It is not about particular policies. It is about where the weight of a nation’s voters sit. I can understand why doctrinaire ideologists have difficulty understanding this. As it turns out, most people do not share their attachment to any ideology at all. In fact, confronted with doctrinaire ideologists, the long term response of voters is repulsion.
The centre is nearly always peopled by voters who are pragmatic. Who accept compromises. Who accept trade offs. Who want their hip pocket looked after.
My suggestion to you would be to stop casting me as someone who is in some form of doctrinaire ideological opposition to your good self.
My basic view is that we will always only have, at best, an economy that sort of works most of the time for most people some of the time for some people all of the time. It was ever thus throughout history.
My core value is social justice. Broadly, given the maldistributions that are part of every single economy humans have ever cobbled together, this means taking from the rich and giving it to the poor.
We need to look after the environment.
To expedite my values a Party that shares these values needs to gain power. This inevitably means compromises. It inevitably means pragmatism. It inevitably means trade offs.
For these reasons I support the Labor Party: not because it is perfect but because it will actually from time to time make a positive difference to the things I value.
OTOH, the extreme left ideologues in the Greens are, quite literally, useless when it comes to progressing the things I value.
By doing their best to damage the Labor Party (and hence to support the Liberal Party) the Greens are constantly undermining the prospects of having a government that broadly reflects my values.
I politely request that you stop ascribing views to me that I do not hold and then using those supposed views as a sort of straw man to belabor me with. As it were.
Player One
says:
Except perhaps a good case can be made for banning Scientology
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So its fine to ban them if you have a personal dislike of them, but not for others.
@PO
I am not calling for a ban either (because that is what China is doing atm – that would be communist).
But, they do need massive reforms, including to start paying Taxes, and possible Police presence in inner-Churches circles.
And like the Media Truth Laws, there should be Church Truth Laws.