The Guardian reports this week’s Essential Research poll has still more results on coronavirus, together with some findings on climate change. On the former count, the poll found 63% rating a second wave of coronavirus as restrictions are eased as very likely or quite likely, with only 13% rating it very unlikely; more than 60% expected international travel restrictions to remain for between one and two years; 70% thought it would take between one and two years for employment to recover; 60% expected a prolonged impact on the housing market; more than 60% expected a vaccine would be developed “over the next few years”; and 58% that the population would build resistance through exposure over that time. Despite it all, 45% said they felt very or somewhat positive about the next 12 months compared with 33% for very or somewhat negative.
On climate change, 52% now think Australia is not doing enough, down eight on November, with 25% holding the contrary view, up three. Forty-two per cent said they were now more concerned about climate change than they were a year ago, with a further 46% saying they were no more or less concerned. Full results from the poll will be published later today. (UPDATE: Full report here).
Blobbitt
Yes the next election is going to be about jobs. Surrendering the renewables are a great job creator to coal employs more is pathetic political messaging from Labor.
“Keating was radical with his Redfern Speech.”
In government. Being in government and winning from opposition are quite different things.
The Redfern speech was a good example of what you can get away with as well. Lots of nice sentiments, but nothing that was actually going to cost anyone anything.
Workchoices – radical, but with clear costs. The opposition was able to play on the fear that that generated.
Guytaur:
The GST was radical. Keating opposed it and won
The Redfern speech was radical. – He was booted at the next opportunity
There’s a lot of Labor needs to, Labor has to, Labor should, If only Labor, Labor could, Labor will…..and so on here this morning.
Good to see everyone getting onboard the Mundo train.
Toot toot!
Quoll says:
Friday, June 26, 2020 at 8:49 am
Some more gratuitous advice for the ALP so enjoyed by the bludgers
This is simply anti-Labor campaigning. What purpose does it serve? Labor have not won an election since 2007. They are not in a position to implement any policy. The purpose of Labor-hostile campaigning is to further weaken Labor – to make it even less likely that Labor might be in a position to implement its policies.
This is yet another example among the tens of thousands of examples of the dysfunction in Australian reformist politics.
As long as this dysfunction persists nothing lasting of any consequence will be achieved in this country.
“Yes the next election is going to be about jobs. Surrendering the renewables are a great job creator to coal employs more is pathetic political messaging from Labor.”
I don’t particularly agree (surprise). Going in with any message about job losses right now would be simply stupid. The government would go to town on them. The opposition needs to be positive – talk about all the positive jobs that will come from green industries. Why go out of their way to talk about job losses?
For the Greens, one of whom’s jobs it is to win voters who won’t suffer job losses with a reduction in coal, they should be going all out.
Blobbitt
Kevin Rudd’s Workchoices campaign highlighted the cruelty of the LNP.
There is plenty of fodder there. Shorten got that part right. Where he lost was to be seen backing coal with Adani.
Regional Queensland voters knew the LNP are the real coal party. So Labor lost those voters to the LNP.
Labor is so scared of the word radical they are repeating the mistake they made with Shorten. They think they can be for the environment and for coal.
That’s not understanding what brought the Greens into existence.
Thats being Tasmanian Labor saying yes let’s build dams send in the bulldozers
Blobbit says:
Friday, June 26, 2020 at 10:59 am
““Keating made a recession popular enough to win elections.”
1. not from opposition.
2. by making the opposition look radical with their GST policy“
I may be wrong but I seem to recall that Keating was for a GST before he was against it.
I do credit Hewson for prosecuting the first crack at getting the GST up. Just a shame he dropped the ball at the end. I remember the night well – it was drizzling in Carlton and trying to find a pub to have a quiet drink was impossible.
Leadership is not about being popular. It’s about being right, and being strong.
Paul Keating.
ASIO has raised the home of a NSW upper house labor pollie re Chinese infiltration in his office.
The story will be on 60 minutes this weekend.
Bucephalussays:
Friday, June 26, 2020 at 11:08 am
“I may be wrong but I seem to recall that Keating was for a GST before he was against it.”
Yep. And he showed the type of pragmatism needed to win elections.
“Billsays:
Friday, June 26, 2020 at 11:09 am
Leadership is not about being popular. It’s about being right, and being strong.
Paul Keating.”
True when you’re in government. Not so true when you’re in opposition, unless there is an actual crisis going on, and that crisis is perceived as such by the electorate. Then leading ON THAT ISSUE may be enough to win.
Global warming is a crisis, but it isn’t perceived as such. If it were, there would be rolling live blogs about it, and everyone would be following climate scientists on twitter. Like we’ve seen with Covid
The environmental movement has failed badly at getting people to realise the crisis that’s happening.
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Doyley
I’m starting to think that the timing of these stories is to coincide with eden monaro by election
Wow Blobbitt
Now we know you are talking horseshit.
Even the LNP pays lip service to carbon pollution reduction.
Even if Labor were to win a House election, in the Senate they would be in a minority. They would not be able to enact climate policies that were opposed by the LibNats and the Greens. This would be 2009 all over again. Labor are most unlikely to ever be in a position to carry out the reform of climate and energy policies in this country. Their opponents will never permit this. Never. They gain too much by opposing Labor on this matter.
This is the stalemated reality of Australian politics. We’re fucked.
“guytaursays:
Friday, June 26, 2020 at 11:15 am
Wow Blobbitt
Now we know you are talking horseshit.
Even the LNP pays lip service to carbon pollution reduction.”
They can do it because no one believes they’ll do anything. Anyway – how many jobs will their policy cost? Have they been out spruiking closing down anything?
(And just before I get labelled a climate denier etc – I absolutely think the next governing party need to take drastic action, including a planned closure of fossil fuel extraction. I just don’t think going in with that as a policy will win them the next election)
From BK’s links:
Someone will be breathing a sigh of relief. It was looking a bit wobbly there for a while.
Seeing as it took a year for the AFP and NSW Police combined to fail to discover the source of counterfeit documents eminating from Angus Taylor’s office, bearing Angus Taylor’s signature, that Angus Taylor had admitted were falsified (and had apologized for), it should be too Herculean a task, by far, to carry out a trace on which member of which party sent some bodgy emails from a disposable email account saying that, since the Labor candidate was feeling ill from a pandemic disease, anyone thinking of voting for her should vote for the Liberal candidate instead. Brilliant!
After all, resources are thin on the ground at the AFP. They are already up to their ears unravelling the adventures of Howard and Abbott appointee, Dyson Heydon: the Shore boy who put the “party” back into “Liberal Party”.
Dyson is practically Abbott’s honorary uncle, given that he sponsored Tony in his quest for a Rhodes scholarship, which favour Tony returned by funding Dyson’s $80 million TURC combination farewell tour and union-bashing boondoggle (including a $million or two in chump change for making Gillard and Shorten squirm for five minutes). But discovering anything that looks like Funny Business in all this? Could take them years to work out that there’s nothing to see there.
Although it was easy to finger Chairman Xi for hacking into dinkum digital internet accounts, and for them to threaten innocent Centrelink clients with bankruptcy and jail for upsetting Commonwealth computers (without any investigating at all), it’s altogether a different thing to discover the origins of things like mischievous electoral chicanery, to wit: “Amateurish emails, advising a vote for the… ahhhh… Liberals, m’lud.”
Just ask the AEC Investigations Unit – another crack sleuthing outfit under federal government control – who, although they couldn’t see anything wrong at the time with the Liberals misappropriating their official graphical styles, colours and reserved notice space (ie. signs colored AEC Purple, written in Mandarin, placed directly outside the gates of polling booths, instructing everybody – but mainly those who could read Mandarin – to vote “1” Gladys Liu), have now changed the law to make sure Labor can’t do the same switcheroo next time.
No, with the AFP hot on the trail, you can be guaranteed a “successful” investigation outcome, every time, say by 2029? Would that thorough enough?
C
Yes backing coal means Labor is fucked.
You are halfway there.
Centrelink contract staff who live in Victoria’s coronavirus hotspots have been told not to return to work amid a surge in fresh cases.
Dozens of staff who work at Centrelink are understood to have been told not to come back to work by labour hire firm Chandler Macleod.
The general manager of Centrelink’s parent agency Services Australia, Hank Jongen, said fewer than 100 staff live in the affected COVID-19 hotspots and work outside those areas.
This story, complete with on the spot photos, is billed as a Nine/Fairfax “exclusive”. There is no way the raid wasn’t organised without Porter and Nine/Fairfax collaborating.
Agreed blobbit, but the ALP and the Greens must have some agreement and fight the real enemy, not each other. It’s going to take someone extraordinary to do that.
Victoria,
Too many coincidences to be a coincidence my dear ol dad would say.
The “ accusations” may well be true but the timing is interesting.
The Daystari pile on was in full swing just before the Kooyong by election in NSW if I recall.
Anyway, it is not as if NSW labor was not warned re this pollie.
Victoria @ #2212 Friday, June 26th, 2020 – 9:14 am
Ho hum.
Great that they are exploring options, but until it gets put through the proper trials, it’s just another possibility on a long list.
Doyley
Yea they were warned.
Knowing the timing doesn’t really prevent any fallout. When you have the media in your pocket, you can do anything…
“Billsays:
Friday, June 26, 2020 at 11:20 am
Agreed blobbit, but the ALP and the Greens must have some agreement and fight the real enemy, not each other. It’s going to take someone extraordinary to do that.”
Won’t happen until the Greens actually win enough seats to make a difference in the lower house. The Greens are a political party. They exist to win power. They won’t shift to accommodate the ALP whilst being anti-ALP wins them votes. Nor should they.
The Nationals and the LP have an accommodation as the Nationals win enough seats to mean the LP has to consider them. In return, the Nats get into power. Look at WA – once the Nats became irrelevant to the Libs they were quickly dropped.
I wonder how ASIO feel’s about being made political like this.
They are heading down the same path as the AFP.
The decline started when they joined home affairs under polluzo
Blobbitt
Your problem is you are defining radical by the narrative of the LNP.
An example.
An emissions trading scheme is not radical.
California has one. The EU has one.
What’s radical is accepting the science because the science deniers are saying kill your grandkids for jobs.
If the JHU tracker is to be believed, the US is about to double its previous record for most C19 cases confirmed in 24 hours. They’re looking at about +70k since yesterday.
“guytaursays:
Friday, June 26, 2020 at 11:32 am
Blobbitt
Your problem is you are defining radical by the narrative of the LNP.”
No, I’m defining it by what people actually think is radical here. What people accept overseas is irrelevant. For most, once something happens and the world doesn’t end something instantly changes from being “radical” to being commonplace.
Anyway, it isn’t the label that’s the issue. Most people are afraid of change; even more so at a time like this. The time to enact change is after you win government. In government you have all the apparatus of the state to help convince people that the change is OK. You also have the luxury of time to allow the change to happen so that people see it isn’t actually a problem.
a r @ #2229 Friday, June 26th, 2020 – 9:35 am
Lucky they reduced testing!
Blobbit
Nope. You are defining it by the LNP narrative.
You are Donald Trump arguing open the economy. Kill your grandparents. Jobs are more important
If the best the Chinese can do is seek to improperly influence an MP from a party that is so hopelessly unelectable that they can’t even beat Gladys Berejiklian’s mob of spivs, shonks, developers’ mates and bodgy highway cop impersonators, then the Free World is safe for the foreseeable future.
Thank God Chairman Xi hasn’t twigged to the idea of infiltrating the actual governing parties for the purposes of entanglement in his devilish schemes. You know: the ones who flog off entire strategic ports to the Chinese; the ones whose mates sell iron ore, coal and agricultural products to the Chinese by the shipload; or the ones who embarrassingly attack the Chinese over computer hacking (whom the Chinese would like to shut up). If that happened they might have to find yet another excuse to decline to investigate due to lack of resources.
I find the headline “Ita Buttrose lashes government” quite ridiculous.
“Hits them with a wet lettuce leaf” fits much better.
OK, then say to the greens we will try to do things they want, but they don’t even talk about the environment anymore so what’s the point. I thought that was their thing and where disaffected Labor voters went. Maybe I hope too much.
BB
Spot on! It is so damn frustrating
Bushfire
Very good. 🙂
“guytaursays:
Friday, June 26, 2020 at 11:40 am
Blobbit
Nope. You are defining it by the LNP narrative.
You are Donald Trump arguing open the economy. Kill your grandparents. Jobs are more important”
No, I’m not. That’s a silly assertion. As I keep saying as well, I’m talking about what I think a party needs to say to win government, not the policies that they should enact once they get there.
I don’t think we have the luxury of being honest in opposition. That’s OK for a party looking to gather enough people to try to hold the balance of power, but it won’t work to win government.
Anyway, why the gratuitous insult?
And now for a, “It could only happen in America.” moment.
https://www.news.com.au/sport/sports-life/twitch-sex-addict-claims-hot-female-gamers-caused-him-to-injure-his-penis/news-story/bce7d0cd4b6edb5caabff526f1165291
Puffin?
https://ca-times.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/a9cbdd8/2147483647/strip/true/crop/1024×728+0+0/resize/840×597!/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcalifornia-times-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2F49%2F5b%2Fb6d6771ea6b2213fa0ed5eaf1c70%2Fla-xpm-photo-2013-jun-27-la-et-mn-up-in-smoke-cheech-chong-film-independent-20130626
I nearly choked on my glass of water.
Blobbitt
The science is clear. Arguing for coal is arguing kill your grandkids.
That makes you doing the same dumb argument as Donald Trump.
Your excuse is the use of the word radical
Blobbit,
It means you won the argument, but in Guytaur-speak you lost it. See?
“guytaursays:
Friday, June 26, 2020 at 11:44 am
Blobbitt
The science is clear. Arguing for coal is arguing kill your grandkids.
That makes you doing the same dumb argument as Donald Trump”
You seem to be missing my point. Say what you need to win the election, then enact sensible policies. You do realise that once a party gets into government, they don’t have to follow through on their policies?
And since you want to pull out the “I’m a climate denier” thing
“Blobbitsays:
Friday, June 26, 2020 at 11:17 am
(And just before I get labelled a climate denier etc – I absolutely think the next governing party need to take drastic action, including a planned closure of fossil fuel extraction. I just don’t think going in with that as a policy will win them the next election)”
southsays:
Friday, June 26, 2020 at 11:26 am
I wonder how ASIO feel’s about being made political like this.
They are heading down the same path as the AFP.
The decline started when they joined home affairs under polluzo
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I agree.
A security investigation into a current MP is an extraordinarily sensitive process. The MP’s authority derives from the highest source in a democracy: the vote of the people. A MP should acquaint themselves with information from all sorts of sources, some of which will inevitably be dubious, in order to enable the MP to test the veracity of information provided by Government departments.
It follows such a security investigation should be undertaken under a complete media blackout unless and until charges are to be laid. Only then does the media or the public have a legitimate interest in knowing.
The reason for this is obvious. If security investigations into MPs are leaked to the media before any judicial evaluation of the investigation is determined to be had, then there is a risk security investigations into MPs could be used to impair the democratic process by suborning the vote of that MP on some or other legislation.
In my opinion it is shocking, sickening and outrageous to see that a media organisation is seemingly involved well before charges have been laid. A full investigation as to how 60 minutes and the Age/SMH knew and I want prosecutions.
continuo @ #2215 Friday, June 26th, 2020 – 11:16 am
‘Even if Labor were to….’
Toot toot!
Blobbitt
Saying the LNP is as dumb as Trump is a vote winner.
Even if you don’t get that. The IPA tried the kill your grandparent open the economy argument.
As we know they lost. Even Liberal Premiers closed borders.
Bill @ #2221 Friday, June 26th, 2020 – 11:20 am
‘but the ALP and the Greens must….’
Toot toot!
Barney in Tanjung Bunga @ #2231 Friday, June 26th, 2020 – 11:37 am
Donald Trump is spreading the Lurgy Lurv in Mississippi next.
BB “It means you won the argument, but in Guytaur-speak you lost it. See?”
I’m not actually that interested in winning the argument, and TBH I wish I were wrong. I would love to see a party win with a strong Carbon reduction policy, including shutting down the fossil fuel industry in a planned way.
I just don’t see those policies winning an election from opposition, especially right now. Doesn’t mean you don’t do them when you do win government.
I really do struggle with the idea that honesty is an election winning strategy I guess.
Bushfire Bill @ #2241 Friday, June 26th, 2020 – 11:47 am
The guytaurverse gives Bizarro World a run for its money.
guytaur @ #2207 Friday, June 26th, 2020 – 11:08 am
‘Labor is so scared of….’
Toot toot!!