The Australian has published the first Newspoll since the federal election, showing Labor opening up a commanding 56-44 lead, compared with a two-party result of 52.1-47.9 at the election. The primary votes are Labor 37% (compared with 32.6% at the election), Coalition 33% (35.7%), Greens 12% (12.2%), One Nation 6% (5.0%) and United Australia Party 2% (4.1%).
Anthony Albanese’s approval rating has shot from 41% before the election to 61%, while his disapproval rating has fallen from 46% to 26%. The former exceeds honeymoon approval ratings recorded by Tony Abbott (47%), Kevin Rudd (59%) and John Howard (45%) upon Newspoll’s return after the three previous changes of government. The net result of plus 35% is the strongest since the early days of Malcolm Turnbull’s prime ministership in November 2015, and previously by Kevin Rudd in October 2009.
Dutton’s opening numbers are 37% approval and 41% disapproval, and he trails Albanese 59-25 as preferred prime minister, the widest gap in Newspoll since the early days of Rudd’s prime ministership in 2008. Debut results for past opposition leaders were 35% approval and 40% disapproval for Anthony Albanese in 2019, 32% and 24% for Bill Shorten in 2013, 40% and 35% for Tony Abbott in 2010, 50% and 25% for Malcolm Turnbull in 2008, 36% and 19% for Brendan Nelson in 2008 and 41% and 10% for Kevin Rudd in 2006. The poll was conducted Wednesday to Saturday from a sample of 1508.
Ley’s back for another belting! This time Albanese gives her the gratification she seems to seek.
One would hope politicians can avoid grand-standing but it goes with the role I guess…
Nothing looked as hopeless as Abbott and who else (?) was it, scuttling/fleeing/running with the tail between their legs out of the HoR in JG era….Not only was this pathetic it was cowardly…However, the Oz electorate did not seemed all that fazed and went right on and made TA the PM….
One supposes bringing a lump of coal into parliament kind of passes muster as “appropriate behaviour” or maybe smashed to the eyeballs with booze as others have been?
Nath
Not saying Britain is fault free but much of what went on was down to the locals.
It’s so easy to mistake a look of “surprise” with a look of great “relief” 🙂
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Quite cruel that Dutton has made the former PM a nodder. 🙂
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Nine years of dishing it out has not prepared them frim being on the receiving end. Fish meet barrel.
”In truth, complaints about detail are usually cover for a fundamental rejection of both a Voice to Parliament and the broader project of constitutional recognition of Australia’s First Peoples…”
Exactly.
($$$) https://www.crikey.com.au/2022/08/01/indigenous-voice-to-parliament-details-demand/
I have no issue with Lidia Thorpe’s view of Parliament or colonisation etc. But if she does not believe in the legitimacy of the Parliament the honourable thing for her to do is to not take up her seat – do what Sinn Fein do in Northern Ireland for the UK Parliament. By sitting in Parliament Thorpe is giving it the legitimacy that she claims it doesn’t have.
The most confusing thing about Lidia Thorpe to me is that she’s someone who is in power inside an institution she seems to object to. But oddly, she wants the to use the power it bestows to do things.
Her actions and thinking are childish in so far that she thinking that the process will bend to change for her and not that she needs to become ‘the man’ to change it.
I don’t think the Victorian greens are going to get value from her stunts.
I really don’t see her expanding the vote.
I see the defenders of the establishment are urging Senator Thorpe to silence herself by boycotting parliament.
Of course they are.
Has Bandt endorsed Thorpe’s actions? If not, you are what you walk past.
Thorpe can say what she likes, IMO. Unfortunately there is no way for Indigenous Australians to let her know what they think of her. No wonder she is trying to wreck the Voice.
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A quarter of a million to do stunts. Nice work if you can get it! What’s next? Wave a lump of coal around?
Rex Douglas says:
Monday, August 1, 2022 at 3:43 pm
“I see the defenders of the establishment are urging Senator Thorpe to silence herself by boycotting parliament.
Of course they are.”
Instead of repeating insanities, perhaps you could engage by answering some of the questions put to your repetitious and illogical one-liner.
Rex Douglas,
Weak!
Oaths of office and service are actually important. If Lidia Thorpe is objecting to the Queen, then she should just progress the republican movement. But that would take time and effort and I’m starting to get the impression that Senator Thorpe will be mostly about performative politics rather than work of substance.
Insanities = inanities.
I am reminded of the Anarchist Party who object to government but want to get into government to then abolish it. If we assume Thorpe is genuine, she is working within the system to highlight and create change (presumably to remove mention of ‘the Queen and heirs’ from the affirmation, amongst other things).
Just quietly, it really is absurd to be making an oath to the Queen. We dont require it for new citizens anymore. Even without becoming a republic, is it necessary for MPs to do so? I can see the GG needs to.
I agree. So lets change this cruddy one into something more meaningful.
Boerwar @ #361 Monday, August 1st, 2022 – 3:13 pm
Do you think he will last the term? Honestly, without the anti-green gusto.
Jan 6,
It’s totally appropriate whilst we are a part of the empire.
Everyone in the military does, I have my enlistment certificate which talks all about serving her Majesty Queen Lizzie the 2nd. And her Heirs!
Did Lidia Thorpe not realize this as part of the process?
The oath’s wording is prescribed in the constitution – it would have changed if the Republic got up but any change will require a referendum
I’m more interested in whether Senator Thorpe will use her power within the colonial Parliament to get her way over the Statement from the Heart.
Lidia Thorpe, the Josh Hawley of Australian Politics. Fist in the air, when push came to shove she buckled under. Bit of a sad performance really.
Poor old Raf is struggling with a frog in his throat.
They will have to take him off air soon.
Guess no one here has heard of Civil Disobedience… Nor considered why it is important.
She’s doing this, so that people have this conversation.
Jan 6
I don’t know. Relevant considerations:
1. Greens would probably think that he won more seats so he is successful. The reality? The Greens failed once again.
2. The tensions between the environmentalists and the Reds must be growing. It rather looks as if the latter are well in the ascendency. Where do the environmentalists go?
3. He has been behaving erratically – never a good look.
4. There is an increased number of Greens MPs and Senators – none of whom have had anything useful to do for at least a decade. The devil makes work for idle hands.
5. In the first poll since the election the Greens have gone backwards (well within the MOE, but).
6. The habit of ignoring bad behaviour by people like Steele-John and Thorpe is probably wearing thin for some disciplined Greens MPs and Senators. Thorpe’s Look At Moi style probably also grates on fellow Greens MPs who are more prepared to do the policy hard yards but who are also ambitious. Greens who actually care about getting a Voice up must be wondering what to do.
7. On balance, I believe that Bandt will last longer than Dutton. The next real killing season will be November-December 2023.
Also, it is dumb that we have to say anything about the Queen. It’s anachronistic and essentially meaningless. This is part of her message.
“The habit of ignoring bad behaviour by people like Steele-John and Thorpe is probably wearing thin for some disciplined Greens MPs and Senators. ”
Hmmm, telling that you focus on them.
But anyway, perhaps consider what Civil Disobedience is and why they’re not behaving as they ‘should’.
Astrobleme says:
Monday, August 1, 2022 at 4:12 pm
“Guess no one here has heard of Civil Disobedience… Nor considered why it is important.
She’s doing this, so that people have this conversation.”
She has responsibilities to the Australian Parliament/people. All very supportive of civil disobedience except that Thorpe isn’t having to undertake any unlawful activity here so behaving in such a manner is unnecessary.
Cronus
She’s doing what she can. I know you want her to just shut up and behave, but that has led nowhere for a long time.
Civil Disobedience is important. It’s not trivial. And if your response is ‘behave in the way we demand’ then you’re the target audience and she wants you to question why you feel that way.
Cronus @ #298 Monday, August 1st, 2022 – 2:19 pm
Of course it was a performative inanity today by Lidia Thorpe. Otherwise, and yes, like Pauline Hanson last week who objected to the Welcome to Country and who then performatively stormed out of the Senate Chamber; in order for Lidia Thorpe to sit in the Senate Chamber before the May federal election… she must have sworn an Oath of Allegiance to the Queen. I don’t remember her coming over all Blak Power then. But then, just like the Coalition, whenever Labor are in power The Greens think that performative theatrics are in Order in the House.
And for the, But Keating! brigade, I remember that the most potent tool he used was his words. He didn’t need to act out. He also helped, with others in Labor to try and get rid of the Queen from the Oath of Allegiance by working to make Australia a Republic so that Members of Parliament never had to say an Oath of Allegiance to the Queen again. But that takes dedication and effort.
‘Astrobleme says:
Monday, August 1, 2022 at 4:12 pm
Guess no one here has heard of Civil Disobedience… Nor considered why it is important.
She’s doing this, so that people have this conversation.’
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There was no ‘civil disobedience’. Thorpe has done four things:
1. Carried out the Black Power salute in the Senate. That should help the Voice referendum get up, don’t you think?
2. Took an oath in bad faith while still taking the money as a lawmaker to uphold the Constitution that generated the oath. Unpick the inconsistences?
3. Derided an elderly woman. Such courage!
4. Misrepresented the priorities in the Statement from the Heart, undermining its chances of getting up, and essentially telling the majority of Indigenous people who support the Statement from the Heart as is, they can GAGF.
Go ahead. Converse!
Astrobleme @ #375 Monday, August 1st, 2022 – 4:12 pm
Exactly. You may not like her or her actions, and you are of course free to disagree with her opinions – but she is more effective than at least half the people in parliament at making a point.
Astrobleme ,
We have a functional democracy where in order to participate in it you have to swear and oath. Civil disobedience by ‘the man’ (lidia thorpe) doesn’t make sense. I could understand protestors in the gallery, or her making that point as part of a speech. But this oath is akin to verbally signing a stat dec. People go to jail for lying on those.
This is just dumb performative politics and her trying to gain attention. I agree with boerwar on point 7.
The Greens persistently frame the Thorpe issue as one where her critics are seeking to get her to shut up. This sidesteps neatly the Greens having to be accountable for what Thorpe is saying and doing.
Thorpe can say what she wants, IMO.
But she, and the Greens, are accountable for the consequences.
The notion that what Thorpe is doing and saying in relation to the Voice will have no consequences is absurd.
If the Greens are so certain the Voice will get up regardless of what the Greens do, then their behaviour becomes somewhat comprehensible. It is just their normal stunting. They are seeking to extract political points from the process.
But the Voice may not get up at all. This is what Thorpe and the Greens are playing around with.
If the Greens don’t want the Voice up, then they should say so.
We are? I thought the Australia Act finished such notions… aside from the argument that the empire itself no longer exists anymore.
Silence from Bandt on Thorpe.
He must approve of her words and her behaviour, then.
I had thought that if the Voice goes down it would be PHON, or Sky After Dark or UA.
But the Greens are making the running in taking the Voice down.
I see that Astrobleme does not actually want to have a conversation about how the Greens are wrecking the Voice!
No surprise there!
Madeline King – I reckon she must have been told to pull her head in since this morning …
No, we are not talking about a shortfall. We are talking about a deliberate decision to restrict domestic supply because there are massive windfall profits to be made on exports.
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Cronussays:
Monday, August 1, 2022 at 3:59 pm
Insanities = inanities.
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Cronus
You were right in your wording first time around. 🙂
Rex says things which appear to be insane like he wants ALP to break their election promises but he doesn’t apply the same rule to Greens.
He wants Greens, who are a minority, to dictate terms to ALP, who have majority seats forgetting that the most important rule, whether we like it or not, in a democracy is that majority rule applies all the time.
In a democracy majority party should be magnanimous to consult and take the minority with them in their journey of democracy.
All these people, who bleat about ALP how it is riding roughshod over the Greens, never complain when LNP completely ignores the Greens.
And isn’t it also rather condescending of us Whites to be telling others that the only valid way for a Blak to behave in parliament is for them to behave like Lidia Thorpe? Because that is the undertone of the conversation. They approve of the way Thorpe behaved but by their comparison those other Indigenous MPs are less in their opinion because they don’t meet the gold standard of Indigenous revolt against the system that Lydia does. Ipso facto is the subtext that the other Indigenous MPs have acquiesced to the White Man and his institutions.
Jan 6,
Until we have a republic, we go to parliament with the constitution we have. Lidia Thorpe is shaking out to be a lightweight who’s into stunts more than she’s into getting change.
I see the defenders of the establishment are effectively threatening Senator Thorpe to behave to the their standards or constitutional reform for the Indigenous may be denied to them.
IMO, Dutton’s definitely in the most danger of being axed first.
Albanese led his party back into majority government after nine years of opposition. With memories of 2010-2013 likely still looming over many an MP, Albo would have to become utterly toxic (I’m talking Bligh-Government-circa-2012 toxic, not ordinary Scomo-esque toxic) for there to be any chance he doesn’t see out his full term.
Bandt led his party to their best ever result in a federal election, and quadrupled his party’s seat count. He’s still young, politically speaking, and doesn’t seem to have any desire to leave the game anytime soon. He would surely have make some serious fuck-ups going forward to be at any risk.
Dutton’s probably got a year, at most, to improve his standing. If the polls are still looking anything like last night’s by the latter half of 2023, he’s done. I don’t care how much support he currently has in the party room, or how much his colleagues may personally like him and what he stands for – the Liberals are in the business of winning elections. If Dutton isn’t performing, his backers will turn to someone else.
All of this, of course, comes with the obvious caveat that when the political narrative shifts, it can seriously shift.
Thanks BW. I think he will last the term. There is an element of Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy description of Earth about him. And there isnt an obvious successor atm with SHY sidelined and some others no longer there.
I feel they are at a crossroads. Extra seats and nearly more suggest a challenge to the fine line between keeping the big parties honest and activism. Seeking improvement through proactive engagement or turning over the apple cart. I know this split is in their base too.
I am a fan of SHY and I think leadership would be her making. But she isnt in the loop.
Rex,
I think Senator Thorpe is shaping up to be her own unique threat to constitutional reform for the Indigenous.
Astrobleme says:
Monday, August 1, 2022 at 4:18 pm
Cronus
She’s doing what she can. I know you want her to just shut up and behave, but that has led nowhere for a long time.
Civil Disobedience is important. It’s not trivial. And if your response is ‘behave in the way we demand’ then you’re the target audience and she wants you to question why you feel that way.
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What Lidia did was not civil disobedience but a childish stunt by an attention seeking backbencher.
jan 6
He is not being held accountable for some serious things:
1. He says he can Save the Reef. This is a Big Lie.
2. He says he can Save the Planet. This is even Bigger Lie.
3. He says he can Stop Extinctions by 2030. This is a Big Life. Even were it possible, it is not desirable so to do.
I suppose that if Greens supporters are fine with this sort of big intellectual corruption then he is probably fairly safe for a while.
“Civil disobedience by ‘the man’ (lidia thorpe) doesn’t make sense. ”
Hmmm… I strongly disagree.
She may not be successful in the end, but Civil Disobedience is pretty much the ONLY way to win rights from powerful organisations.
She’s signalling, of course, but it’s still an important thing to do.
The idea that we need to talk about the Queen is dumb. The monarchy are awful. The end.
“a childish stunt by an attention seeking backbencher.”
Well, this is exactly what people say about most civil disobedience.
If only the disenfranchised would shut up, right?