Time for a new open thread post, though I don’t have a whole lot to hang one off. There’s always US pollster Morning Consult’s tracking poll on approval of Anthony Albanese, which continues to record no significant change since June, with Albanese currently on 60% approval and 27% disapproval. This gives him the third best result of 22 international leaders being followed by the pollster, behind India’s Nahendra Modi and Mexico’s Andrés Manuel López Obrador.
There are also two new sets of supplemental results from last week’s Resolve Strategic poll in the Age/Herald:
• A series of questions on outcomes from the Jobs Summit published on Saturday had favourable results for multi-employer bargaining, more TAFE places and allowing older Australians to earn more before losing the aged pension, but only 34% in favour of the increased migration intake, with 33% opposed. Only 24% rated themselves “definitely aware” of the recent Jobs Summit, compared with 38% for “vaguely aware” and 38% for unaware. Thirty-six per cent agreed it had achieved its (non-political) objectives compared with 19% who disagreed and 46% who were either undecided or neutral.
• The Age/Herald had a further result yesterday showing a 64-36 break in favour of a constitutionally enshrined Indigenous voice, evidently based on a forced response. Clear majorities were recorded in all states, and while there is no reason to be dubious about this, the Tasmanian sample especially would obviously have been exceedingly small.
Jaeger @ #144 Tuesday, September 27th, 2022 – 9:38 am
Ah. Thanks. Hopefully from a safe distance. The three minutes would be up by now.
What’s the last thing that goes through a space probe’s mind when it smashes into an asteroid?
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It’s arse!
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🙂
Late Riser,
I believe that small patch of Russia is Kaliningrad.
C@tmomma says:
Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 9:42 am
zoomster @ #142 Tuesday, September 27th, 2022 – 9:38 am
nath
Incorrect. As someone who has been bullied, I am very concerned about this kind of behaviour.
I would suggest that – if you are also concerned about bullying – you do a bit of personal reflection about the way you treat other posters.
+1
And you can see it from space when nath turns up in one of his vindictive, snarky moods too.
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Is the dentente over?
Old Hat @ #150 Tuesday, September 27th, 2022 – 9:43 am
Don’t forget the ‘Bulldozer’ himself, Scott Morrison.
Lidia Thorpe should call for a RC into Bill Shorten’s abuse of the Asian pie lady.
Les Twentyman what a conman but unlike Peter Foster hasn’t done time!
Fooled many people including Bill Shorten.
”Pretty sure the camera was at the front.”
This camera seemed to be at the front of the impact craft. It showed the asteroid (~170 m across) getting close and closer until it filled the screen, then the screen turned red. There’s another probe out there to examine the asteroid post-impact.
nath
I haven’t accused anyone of bullying.
Upnorth @ #154 Tuesday, September 27th, 2022 – 9:44 am
I’m nobody’s girl. I just call it as I see it. Ask zoomster. I’ve called her out as well on the odd occasion (because she’s usually right most of the time 😀 )
Dr John says:
Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 9:46 am
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that’s a bit controversial mate.
“What’s the last thing that goes through a space probe’s mind when it smashes into an asteroid?”
“EXTERMINATE”…of course. 🙂
Spoke with my mother yesterday, who is in contact with my aunts in Lithuania.
They’re (understandably) very nervous.
Re Nath @9:09. ”Perhaps we should have a ‘mean girls’ Royal Commission. Let the friends of Kimberley Kitching have their say.”
These types of posts are why I believe that you are a Liberal.
“ But if we are getting all hot and bothered about someone apparently being mean, let’s get to the bottom of all meanness.”
And as I said, I would love a royal commission into Saint Kimba. I’m surprised that you wouldn’t – seeing as she was a clear boundary rider for the return of her ‘King across the waters’, Bill Shorten with her treachery.
As for your plea to ‘get to the bottom of all meanness’ you are, when it suits, quite happy for a bit ‘false equivalence’ aren’t you?
C@tmomma @ #154 Tuesday, September 27th, 2022 – 9:44 am
Yeah. I looked it up. The last 1000 years or so is interesting reading.
Steve777 says:
Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 9:49 am
Re Nath @9:09. ”Perhaps we should have a ‘mean girls’ Royal Commission. Let the friends of Kimberley Kitching have their say.”
These types of posts are why I believe that you are a Liberal.
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Steve, only when I read Briefly’s posts.
Have we all noticed how Kwarteng and Putin have had their facial features exaggerated a la Williams in some of the cartoons?
@tmomma says:
Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 9:47 am
Upnorth @ #154 Tuesday, September 27th, 2022 – 9:44 am
C@tmomma says:
Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 9:42 am
zoomster @ #142 Tuesday, September 27th, 2022 – 9:38 am
nath
Incorrect. As someone who has been bullied, I am very concerned about this kind of behaviour.
I would suggest that – if you are also concerned about bullying – you do a bit of personal reflection about the way you treat other posters.
+1
And you can see it from space when nath turns up in one of his vindictive, snarky moods too.
中华人民共和国
Is the dentente over?
I’m nobody’s girl. I just call it as I see it. Ask zoomster. I’ve called her out as well on the odd occasion (because she’s usually right most of the time )
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You sound like Mrs Upnorth! Except I am worried about Bert having undue influence on you.
The PB get together, Sydney, May 21 2023 (get the ad in) will be a hoot! Nath I hope you can make the journey so I can shout you those Crownies. C@t has promised a lazy Susan.
“Ah. Thanks. Hopefully from a safe distance. The three minutes would be up by now.”
It was supposed to fly past Dimorphos at a distance of 55km, recording the plume from the impact and taking pictures of the other side.
zoomster:
Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 9:36 am
I’ve stated my case, which you obviously don’t agree with. I can live with this. I don’t post on here for tit-for-tat arguments. Anyway, I’m off to have “Boogie’s” anal glands attended to.
zoomster:
Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 9:36 am
I’ve stated my case, which you obviously don’t agree with. I can live with this. I don’t post on here for tit-for-tat arguments. Anyway, I’m off to have “Boogie’s” anal glands attended to.
Bugger.
My husband’s heart surgery – classified as ‘urgent’ about six weeks ago – has been delayed another fortnight.
Had all the ducks in a row for last Wednesday, and it was cancelled the Friday before.
Ray (UK) says:
Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 8:57 am
Peter Walker
@peterwalker99
The Labour conference has voted overwhelmingly for the party to replace first past the post voting with a form of proportional representation. Huge cheers in the hall as it is passed
PS This does not bind the party leadership
**As a long time supporter of PR I am pleased although, seeing events in Sweden and Italy, I do worry about the potential of the British far-right who are safely ignored under FPTP
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Hi Ray
I’m surprised at the support for proportional representation:
1. It makes coalitions (which can be unstable) more likely to be needed to govern
2. As you acknowledge, it gives micro-parties a significant voice.
I’m surprised the Labour Conference didn’t simply retain Britain’s existing constituencies and recommend Preferential voting (as Australia has.)
My first preference (hah!) is some version of Mixed Member Proportional – although most places that use it decide their ‘electorate’ processes via FPTP, which I won’t accept. In a federated system like Australia, I’d go for a roughly German-style MMP (if I understand it correctly,) treating each State/Territory seperately, but using Preferential voting (I could even live with Optional Preferential) to decide the single-member electorates and Proportional to decide the jurisdiction-wide election.
nathsays:
Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 9:48 am
that’s a bit controversial mate.
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Hope you like it.
But details starting and going back 40+ years are redacted.
zoomster says:
Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 9:57 am
Bugger.
My husband’s heart surgery – classified as ‘urgent’ about six weeks ago – has been delayed another fortnight.
Had all the ducks in a row for last Wednesday, and it was cancelled the Friday before.
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Best of luck zoomster. Terribly stressful.
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nathsays:
Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 9:23 am
There you go nath. Off your chest. Feel better.
But Mavis beat you in this endeavour.
zoomster says:
Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 9:21 am
nath
I certainly did read that somewhere, and it fits in with her general pattern of behaviour.
I haven’t been able to find the source again, so haven’t repeated the allegation.
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Have you read about the allegations against Wong, Kenneally and Gallagher re Kimberley Kitching? You don’t seem as bothered by those.
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Believe me nath when I say read about KKitching. And I agree with you that Shorten made a lot mistakes and appointing KKitching as Senator when he was LOTO was one of them.
I also read that KKitching was very ambitious (who is not you may say) to become Leader of ALP in Senate and Foreign Minister/ Defence Minister in Shorten government.
When that did not happen and she was asked to do some Senatorial work, ‘Mean girls ‘ saga surfaced.
From what I observed from various journalists reporting (whether ABC or other media outlets who gave sympathetic hearing to ‘Mean girls’ saga) it was almost always KKitching and friends, who were backgrounding against her colleagues (who appeared to be in her way to greatness as per her understanding). And Shorten, instead of counseling her to be a team player, appears not to have done anything to dissuade her.
Boerwar at 8.24 am and Ven at 8.54 am
Re the confusion in this statement:
“The UN’s Human Rights Committee corrupt sally at the former Australian Government’s impact on Torres Strait Islands is a pup in comparison. But that is not surprising. Some of the Committee members have horrendous human rights situations.”
The confusion is empirical. The UN is a complicated organisation. The best simple description of it, by Thomas Weiss (What’s Wrong with the UN and How to Fix It?) is that it is a three level entity: 1) organisation of states (i.e. only states are members so the Kurds, while a substantial nation, are not, nor are Indigenous Peoples, since they are not organised or recognised as states); 2) the bureaucratic machinery that supports this inter-state organisation, including the office of the Secretary General and many functional UN agencies, which include agencies established by treaty to perform particular functions (e.g. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change set up under the Framework Convention from the 1992 Rio Summit, plus the Human Rights Committee set up to monitor the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights); and 3) interaction between the first two levels and a broader arena of non-governmental organisations inspired to some degree by the UN Charter (Amnesty International is part of this arena, among thousands of other groups).
Your confusion is to mistakenly allege that the UN Human Rights Committee, which exists at level 2, and which comprises distinguished experts in this field, is corrupt, because you have assumed that it is a different body that exists at level 1, which is the Human Rights Council, a body marginally better than the old Commission on Human Rights that was reformed by Kofi Annan around 2005. The problem you address, of the woeful and systemic unwillingness of member states of the UN to uphold the UN Charter and relevant treaties, is real, but, within the current UN structure, there are few ways to diminish this problem. One way is through the careful scrutiny of states’ conduct by the expert UN Human Rights Committee.
The UN Human Rights Committee’s record regarding its criticism of Australia is impressive, and based on international human rights law. Those who dismiss the criticisms of the Human Rights Committee (which contributed to the belated end of homophobic legislation in Tasmania in response to the advocacy of Rodney Croome and others) follow the path of that misanthropist Phil Ruddock, who contributed so little to Australian society that the humble, noisy leaf-blower should bear his name.
See: https://www.ohchr.org/en/treaty-bodies/ccpr
https://www.ohchr.org/en/hr-bodies/hrc/membership
Wonder if he will get conscripted now….
“Former US intelligence contractor Edward Snowden, who leaked extensive US intelligence surveillance operations, has been granted Russian citizenship.
The decree was signed by Russian President Vladimir Putin on Monday.
Mr Snowden, 39, has been living in exile in Russia since exposing the National Security Agency (NSA) programme affecting millions of Americans in 2013.
Mr Snowden, who faces espionage charges in the US, has made no public comments.”
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63036991
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C@tmommasays:
Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 9:23 am
nath @ #112 Tuesday, September 27th, 2022 – 9:15 am
remember when Zoomster alleged that Thorpe had been kicked out of the Uluru Convention?
This mornings’ report has given her a spring in her step!
This kind of stirring the pot does not become you, nath.
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Nath is always a stirrer especially when it came to zoomster (I know zoomster is capable of defending herself and doesn’t need my help). 🙂
imacca says:
Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 9:48 am
“What’s the last thing that goes through a space probe’s mind when it smashes into an asteroid?”
“EXTERMINATE”…of course.
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I just tried (unsuccessfully) to find a clip of a GREAT Dave Allen sketch. He plays a priest, walking across the front of his church. He passes the baptismal font. It rolls after him, then stops when he does. He looks around, then continues walking. The font rolls after him again, stopping when he does. Seeing the font has moved after him, Allen sprints out of the church. The font rolls after him, now saying, “Exterminate! Exterminate!”
Dr D
The Torres Strait judgement is ludicrously and pathetically disproportionate.
China’s 27% of CO2 emissions are the single biggest current contributor to drowning Pacific Nations.
It also raises the contentious issue of reparations as if they principles for that are a fait accomplis and have been agreed by the UN.
While it is at it the Human Rights Committee can do a root and branch critique of China’s horrendous human rights situation.
With certain exceptions the UN is no longer fit for purpose. The idea that draconian totalitarian states are allowed within a bull’s roar of the UN’s ‘management’ of human rights is totally corrupt.
The last thing?
“Fu…”
“ China’s 27% of CO2 emissions are the single biggest current contributor to drowning Pacific Nations.”
You persist with scientific illiteracy. Why? It has been pointed out to you, on numerous occasions, that the C02 emissions that are driving climate change – and threaten to ‘drown’ the PI are the CUMULATIVE CO2 emissions of the Industrial Age. Overwhelmingly the biggest contributors to the CUMULATIVE emissions have been the industrialised west. Headed by America.
You are entitled to your opinions, Boer: just not your own facts.
Do better.
Just listening to Commissioner Catherine Holmes SC’s opening remarks at the Robodebt Royal Commission, it seems a given that it will be a bloodbath!
The strange thing about this; the accusation is 6 months old, why now for the promotion of it?
The only new news I have seen recently is the Greens are way out of step with their membership when it comes to the voice. Greens being out of step is down to Thorpe. If the Green leadership have decided to do something about it, why this way?
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/leaked-email-reveals-greens-staffer-scared-and-in-shock-after-lidia-thorpe-s-truly-awful-outburst-20220905-p5bfdn.html
Gosh, fancy the single biggest nation being the single biggest emitter of CO2. Shocking news. Meanwhile ,ain’t it nice that a country whose population emits 230% more per head than the average person in China gets to lecture the Chinese on the need for them to reduce emissions.
Bill Shorten is sitting behind Counsel Assisting and providing the odd noddy.
Andrew_Earlwood says:
Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 10:15 am
“ China’s 27% of CO2 emissions are the single biggest current contributor to drowning Pacific Nations.”
You persist with scientific illiteracy. Why? It has been pointed out to you, on numerous occasions, that the C02 emissions that are driving climate change – and threaten to ‘drown’ the PI are the CUMULATIVE CO2 emissions of the Industrial Age. Overwhelmingly the biggest contributors to the CUMULATIVE emissions have been the industrialised west. Headed by America.
You are entitled to your opinions, Boer: just not your own facts.
Do better.
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Do try to control your impulse to be patronising!
The fact is that China emits 27% of the world’s CO2. Right now.
The fact is that that makes China the largest single current contributor to CO2 emissions. Right now.
Other might like to wallow in the past. It is certainly in the financial interests of many of the UN parties so to do.
Talking about facts… and I am sure you have these at your fingertips… what percentage of global legacy CO2 emissions are the direct result of China’s clearing its once truly massive forests and then doubling up on that by replacing the forests with methane-emitting rice paddy agriculture?
Massive. But you have not bothered your head with those facts because you are parading ‘accepted wisdom’.
Not to worry. Speaking of facts… possibly the ONLY hope the world has of getting to zero net 50 is if China’s economy collapses. They are working on that by pumping the construction bubble as we speak.
BK at 10:16 am
Any pointers as to whose names they have put on ‘the list’ for ‘bloodbathing’ ? .
As noted previously, it simply does not matter to physics and chemistry where the CO2 and methane is coming from.
They just chew it up and drown Pacific Nations with it.
That is NOT a moral judgement.
That is NOT a shocking observation.
It is a scale observation.
It is linking cause with effect.
What Australia does is probably not measurable when it comes to drowning Torres Strait Islands.
What China does will have a measurable impact when it comes to drowning Torres Strait Islands.
Anyway, the Xilots are out in force.
How lucky is that for the Comrades?
‘frednk says:
Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 10:19 am
The strange thing about this; the accusation is 6 months old, why now for the promotion of it?
The only new news I have seen recently is the Greens are way out of step with their membership when it comes to the voice. Greens being out of step is down to Thorpe. If the Green leadership have decided to do something about it, why this way?
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/leaked-email-reveals-greens-staffer-scared-and-in-shock-after-lidia-thorpe-s-truly-awful-outburst-20220905-p5bfdn.html‘
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I assume that the Greens would want behaviours like (purely hypothetical) unrestrained bullying to be included in their list of ‘grey’ corruptions.
Any pointers as to whose names they have put on ‘the list’ for ‘bloodbathing’ ? .
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poroti
Without doubt certain ministers of the time. Especially the one that led to the government’s $1.7m budget boast.
Boerwar at 10:28 am
China’s increase in emissions until 2025-2030 was always part of the calcs and doing so would still keep things within the aimed for limit. Someone did not keep their side of the bargain made all those years ago. Instead of fulfilling their side of the bargain it was off and away with the Koch brothers, the Lord Moncktons, the Mad Monks , the Rupertariat and assorted loons’ climate inaction.
p
We have done that argument.
The ‘calcs’ were formed on the basis of China and India refusals to engage unless they got their ‘calcs’ in place. They promised to walk out if they did not get exactly what they wanted.
The results are hopelessly compromised.
As the Pacific Islands are finding out right now.
Boerwar, AE
On climate change and the Torres Strait decision, China and USA are no doubt major contributors, and as Andrew said, it is cumulative emissions that matter, so USA is still worse than China at this point.
I am not a lawyer but my understanding is that, just because several different parties contribute to a problem, so blame is shared, that does not mean the lower contributors are not causal agents.
On a per capita basis Australia is now in the top few GHG emitters in the world, beaten only by a few gulf oil states. That is for domestic emissions not counting the impact of exported coal and gas. We have also (under Liberal governments) consistently tried to undermine reaching global agreements.
So while it is great that the government under Albo is acting, and Gillard tried as well, as a nation we must look pretty terrible to outsiders.
There will be two weeks of public hearings of the Robodebt royal commission commencing 31 October and these will closely examine the mechanics and development of the Robodebt process and debt collection.
https://www.pollbludger.net/2022/09/27/polls-indigenous-voice-leadership-approval-skills-shortages-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-3984751
And may be have a look at the ACSC/ cyber.gov.au
BK at 10:38 am
Thank you. I shall start stocking up on gloat and schadenfreude.
“It was supposed to fly past Dimorphos at a distance of 55km, recording the plume from the impact and taking pictures of the other side.”
Apparently its being run by the Italians, and at the post impact presser the mission people said that they are hoping for the first images to be available in about three hours. Might take a while i think as its a small “cubesat” that may not have vast amounts of bandwidth, or power, for a transmission back home. Its not unusual for a satellite doing visuals to take hours to transmit the data it has in storage with minimal errors.