Time for a new open thread post, though I don’t have a whole lot to hang one off. There’s always US pollster Morning Consult’s tracking poll on approval of Anthony Albanese, which continues to record no significant change since June, with Albanese currently on 60% approval and 27% disapproval. This gives him the third best result of 22 international leaders being followed by the pollster, behind India’s Nahendra Modi and Mexico’s Andrés Manuel López Obrador.
There are also two new sets of supplemental results from last week’s Resolve Strategic poll in the Age/Herald:
• A series of questions on outcomes from the Jobs Summit published on Saturday had favourable results for multi-employer bargaining, more TAFE places and allowing older Australians to earn more before losing the aged pension, but only 34% in favour of the increased migration intake, with 33% opposed. Only 24% rated themselves “definitely aware” of the recent Jobs Summit, compared with 38% for “vaguely aware” and 38% for unaware. Thirty-six per cent agreed it had achieved its (non-political) objectives compared with 19% who disagreed and 46% who were either undecided or neutral.
• The Age/Herald had a further result yesterday showing a 64-36 break in favour of a constitutionally enshrined Indigenous voice, evidently based on a forced response. Clear majorities were recorded in all states, and while there is no reason to be dubious about this, the Tasmanian sample especially would obviously have been exceedingly small.
Well played, Google, well played.
https://www.google.com/search?q=dart+mission
ANZ_Research @ANZ_Research
ANZ-Roy Morgan Australian Consumer Confidence rose 2.1% last week, hitting a four-month high. Continued economic strength despite 225bp of rate hikes over the past 5 months may be quelling fears of a sharp downturn.
Dr Doolittle at 9:59
You wrote, “… mistakenly allege that the UN Human Rights Committee, which exists at level 2, and which comprises distinguished experts in this field, is corrupt, because you have assumed that it is a different body that exists at level 1, which is the Human Rights Council…”.
Did you mean to say, “because you have assumed that it is the same body that exists at level 1”?
Sorry. I’m just trying to follow your logic without knowing the details.
Jaeger @ #202 Tuesday, September 27th, 2022 – 10:57 am
Funny. 😋 Thanks for the link.
Frack me dead Boer: Chinese land clearing? Who are the undisputed world champions in land clearing? That would be us. Lil’ ole’ Australia. And nearly all of THAT within the last 150 years. Silver medallist would have to go to the Brazilians. Dishonourable mentions also to SE Asia, America, Russia.
None of your bombast in response to my post will answer.
If you stayed within the boundaries of sanity then you would be right to put recent and current Chinese emissions on the board, but your original point is simply false, and over the top. As your follow up anti ChiComm rant demonstrates perfectly.
From AB’s Italian election live
7am Tuesday The right coalition won 237 of the 400 seats in the Chamber of Deputies, the left coalition 85, the Five Stars 52, centrists 21 and others five. In the Senate, the right coalition won 115 of the 200 seats, the left coalition 44, the Five Stars 28, centrists nine and others four. That gives the right coalition 59% of seats in the Chamber and 57.5% in the Senate.
Snappy Tom
Is this the one?
https://youtu.be/Vg7nL5DOEPQ
A-E
You fell for that one comrade!
Why?
Your ‘facts’ are time-frame free.
“ Your ‘facts’ are time-frame free.”
How so? As I said, recent and current (and indeed future projected) Chinese emissions are ‘on the board’ for discussion, and I note have actually been factored into most modelling. You can criticise that modelling. Or the hand that china and the other emerging large emitters play, but you can’t simply post scientific illiterate propaganda with impunity. Yet you persist. So you deserve a paddling every time you rinse and repeat this bullshit.
Jaeger
“Well played, Google, well played.”
https://www.google.com/search?q=dart+mission
Agreed 🙂 Thanks for the tip.
A reasonable time to look at cumulative emissions would be the beginning of clearing and the beginning of clearing.
Australia came to this particular party very late! Naturally there is a tendency by those in judgement to look at current clearing or clearing from the past couple of centuries.
But let’s face it.
China started clearing its vast forests 11,000 years ago. Timing and extent of clearing of Europe, North America, Latin America and Africa should ALL form part of the cumulative emissions story. As should the scale and impact of ‘traditional’ burning practices on forests and grasslands.
But, as noted above, your ‘facts’ about cumulative CO2 emissions make some important assumptions about when the counting should actually start. You don’t even seem to realize the problem here.
Don’t forget, when doing your cumulative calculations, it is important to add the cumulative impact of rice farming. Nasty stuff, methane.
And while you are at that, you should be adding the cumulative impact of lifestock husbandry. Nasty methane emitting cows over the past ten or so millenia should all be in your cumulative numbers.
I am predicting that the newly elected Italian government will last atleast 3 years because of its inbuilt stability of far-right wingers.
They have another Mussolini (a fascist leader) after 100 years.
Who is so called modern Hilter lurking in Germany? Current Germany’s Chancellor net approval rating is -43%.
The only saving grace for French President Macron is that there will not be any National elections for another 5 1/2 years. Currently, his net approval rating is -31% and he is presiding over a minority government..
But Italian election result will give a lot of heart to far-right in France. Will we see a Le Pen as in 5 1/2 years
Of course India cleared monstrous amounts of forest as well. All part of the cumulative global effort to clog the atmosphere with CO2.
Boerwar
Come on mate, where’s ya patriotism , in your concern for clearing forests you forgot to mention this. Aussie Aussie Aussie Oi ! Oi ! Oi !
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Australia the only developed nation on world list of deforestation hotspots
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jan/13/australia-the-only-developed-nation-on-world-list-of-deforestation-hotspots
If you keep digging Boer, you’ll actually discover China. Then your crack battalion of killer wombats can attack the ChiComms by surprise!
To single out chinese land clearing over the past 11,000 years for special mention for some reason or other … simply makes no sense … outside a RWNJ nuttersphere. Lots of land clearing occurred dating from the transition from ‘the very old world’ to ‘the ancient world’. Europe and the near east especially. So what?
What threatens the Holocene really boils down to the cumulative human activities of the last 150 years. Industrialised, mainly anglo-European western countries have led the way in that regard.
Edited to add: either that land clearing occurred inside countries that are within the modern day OECD grouping (like America, Canada and world champions Australia), or are driven by corporations that are owned by OECD based multinationals.
‘poroti says:
Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 11:29 am
Boerwar
Come on mate, where’s ya patriotism , in your concern for clearing forests you forgot to mention this. Aussie Aussie Aussie Oi ! Oi ! Oi !
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Australia the only developed nation on world list of deforestation hotspots
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jan/13/australia-the-only-developed-nation-on-world-list-of-deforestation-hotspots‘
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Sure. That is because we were late to the global forest-clearing party.
As noted above the facts about cumulative emissions only make sense if a time frame is allocated.
A-E still does not seem to get this fundamental scientific principle.
What do expect when 2 countries with 2 largest populations are side by side. Forest will be cleared to provide agricultural and residential resources for their populations like Europe, North America, South America, Australia rulers did for their populations. And who might that be that cleared forests in Europe, North America, South America, Australia . They are the people who originated from Europe. What are they called. They are called colonisers. These colonisers enjoyed fruits of Forest clearing but they want the colonised to control their forest clearing now because their sins are catching up to destroy the world.
On the Russian – Ukraine war and its consequences, there are some interesting threads on Twitter. I recommend this one by Gregor Selkers.
“Gregor Selkers@GSelkers·5h
(in brackets – ratio ethnic “minorities”/ Russians in %)
Bashkortostan / Bashkiria – 4mn (60 / 36)
Tatarstan – 4mn (60 / 40)
Dagestan – 3,1mn (90 / 4)
Khanty-Mantisk AO / Yugra – 1,5mn (30 / 68)
Chechnya – 1,5mn (96 / 1,5)
Udmurtia – 1,5mn (40 / 57)
Chuvashia – 1,2mn (70 / 27)”
Selkers’ argument is that Putin is unlikely to lose power in Russia proper because the Russian population gets most of the wealth from the oil/gas boom and does not suffer much with conscription not enforced. However the situation is different in border republics where ethic Russians are often a minority, incomes are lower, and conscription is severely enforced. We might see a partial breakup of the Russian Federation without an effective army to hold it together.
It is clear Boer that when the red mist descends in front of your eyes you couldn’t properly differentiate a ‘fundamental scientific principle’ from your own fundament.
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porotisays:
Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 11:29 am
Boerwar
Come on mate, where’s ya patriotism , in your concern for clearing forests you forgot to mention this. Aussie Aussie Aussie Oi ! Oi ! Oi !
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Australia the only developed nation on world list of deforestation hotspots
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jan/13/australia-the-only-developed-nation-on-world-list-of-deforestation-hotspots
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poroti
Instead of BW I will say it
Aussie Aussie Aussie Oi ! Oi ! Oi !
Ven
Of course forests have been trashed in India and China.
Of course they have been cleared to feed burgeoning populations.
Of course rice is grown because it produces so much food per hectare and allows for multiple crops.
Of course the cleared forests are part of the cumulative global atmospheric store of CO2.
Of course the rice paddy methane emissions are part of the cumulative global atmospheric store of CO2.
My point is not about the morality or the reason for all of the above.
My point, and one which A-E appears to be dumbfounded by, is that counting cumulative emissions depends on when the counting starts. His ‘facts’ are time bound and he does not realize this.
Looking at human history, there are five tipping points which began the cumulative emissions story: use of fire to modify the landscape – generally creating grasslands out of forests, forest clearing by axe and then by saw, use of domestic grazing animals, agriculture and burning fossil fuels.
All five need to be added to the cumulative story.
‘Andrew_Earlwood says:
Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 11:38 am
It is clear Boer that when the red mist descends in front of your eyes you couldn’t properly differentiate a ‘fundamental scientific principle’ from your own fundament.’
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Personal abuse.
I deplore Australia’s contribution to the 2 degrees plus and the 7 metre plus rise in sea levels that our descendents will be trying to survive.
Not to mention acid seas.
Not to mention the global extinction crisis.
Hate them both.
Ven
Is ‘City of Yarra ‘ controlled by Greens or Liberals?
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The City of Yarra is solid Green/ALP territory in Adam Bandt’s seat and its antics might impact who wins Richmond in the Victorian state election.
I am surprised that nobody has sought to mention the mass impact of current deforestation in the countries that matter in this respect: Brazil, Indonesia and Zaire. Makes our efforts look pathetic in comparison.
I am also surprised that nobody has mentioned that China is engaged in a massive reforestation effort. There is an irony but I will not go there.
Jaeger @ #201 Tuesday, September 27th, 2022 – 10:57 am
Very.
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Mexicanbeemersays:
Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 11:46 am
Ven
Is ‘City of Yarra ‘ controlled by Greens or Liberals?
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The City of Yarra is solid Green/ALP territory in Adam Bandt’s seat and its antics might impact who wins Richmond in the Victorian state election.
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MB
Who is the Mayor of the City of Yarra?
The reason I asked is because a solid ALP seat in State and Federal governments voted for a Liberal Mayor. That city in Metropolitan Sydney is Liverpool.
BK @ #193 Tuesday, September 27th, 2022 – 10:38 am
Commissioner:
“But the focus appropriately and in accordance with the terms of reference will be on those in senior positions, who had or should have had oversight.”
Guardian:
The former prime minister, Scott Morrison, current opposition frontbenchers Alan Tudge and Stuart Robert, and former ministers Christian Porter and Michael Keenan, all held portfolios with oversight for the scheme.
Late Riser says:
Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 11:03 am
Snappy Tom
Is this the one?
https://youtu.be/Vg7nL5DOEPQ
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Yes, that’s it – outstanding research!
Sketch is even better than I remembered – with the pulpit acting as a TARDIS to spirit Allen away to safety!
Competitive Senate Race in South Dakota!
https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/9/26/2125446/-Competitive-Senate-Race-in-South-Dakota
This is a competitive race with quality polling from veteran Democratic pollster Celinda Lake’s firm Lake Research Partners validating this fact. In the poll, only 41% of South Dakotans had a favorable opinion of Senator Thune, while 46% gave him an unfavorable rating. Among undecided voters, 22% have a favorable opinion while 59% have an unfavorable one. A mere 36% of voters say they would vote to re-elect Sen. Thune. A stunning 53% of voters indicated they would either vote to replace Sen. Thune or consider voting for someone else. After testing two positive frames for both Bengs and Sen. Thune—Bengs ultimately led Sen. Thune 43% to 41%.
Thune’s close ties to Senator Mitch McConnell – whose favorability is solidly negative (13% favorable; 64% unfavorable) – make him even more vulnerable. A majority of Democrats (81%), Republicans (51%), and unaffiliated/other voters (76%) have an unfavorable impression of McConnell.
Thune is net unfavorable among voters overall (41% favorable; 46% unfavorable). A majority of both registered Democrats (71%) and unaffiliated/other voters (53%) have an unfavorable impression of him, and even about a third of Republicans dislike him (32% unfavorable).
“It is bad news for Australia’s coal and gas industries and for Australia’s budgetary situation” there goes any chance of a jobkeeper rise, p1 and rex will be apoplectic!
May the Flying Spaghetti Monster see to it the the dynamic evangelical duo SfM and ‘Brother Stewie’ get their just deserts.
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Stuart Robert, who oversaw the final days of the disastrous and cruel Robodebt system, is now in charge of the disastrous and cruel JobActive system in Morrison’s Cabinet reshuffle.
I am posting a series of maps from articles I found interesting that better explain Russia. Russia is a ruling empire in all but name.
This may shows average salary in each Russian republic. Fringe and mountain republic are much poorer. Moscow and St Petersberg salaries are much higher, even compared to the rest of inner Russia.
This map shows a distribution of the number of casualties per 100,000 people suffered in the Ukraine War by each Russian Republic. THe more red, the more casualties.
This may shows the proportion of ethic Russians in each Russian republic.
Optus – mostly “off the hook”
The hacker purportedly behind the massive Optus data breach has seemingly deleted the stolen data and apologised to Optus customers, declaring “we will not sale data to anyone [sic].”
The user ‘Optusdata’ has removed their original post, on a popular online data breach forum, which called for Optus to pay a $US1m cyber ransom within seven days.
“Too many eyes. We will not sale data to anyone. We cant [sic] if we even want to: personally deleted data from drive (Only copy),” the user wrote on Tuesday. “Sorry too [sic] 10,200 Australian whos data was leaked.
“Australia will see no gain in fraud, this can be monitored. Maybe for 10,200 Australian but rest of population no. Very sorry to you.
“Deepest apology to Optus for this. Hope all goes well from this.
https://amp.theaustralian.com.au/business/technology/too-many-eyes-optus-hacker-deletes-data-apologises-to-customers/news-story/dc9dceb4081d872bb9e49139c5b4e93d
It. Is. Simply. Astonishing. That. TheBoer. Leads with “China’s 27% of CO2 emissions are the single biggest current contributor to drowning Pacific Nations”, but when that canard is pointed out to be bullshit – that it is fact cumulative emmissions that are the ‘single biggest’ driver, does an astonishing gish-gallop that lands him … conveniently … with something or rather to do with Chinese land clearing and agricultural pursuits going back 11,000 years ago … and pontificates something or rather about a ‘fundamental scientific principle’.
Apparently I am ‘time bound’ and hence … incorrect. Or something.
Mate, as unfortunate as land clearing has been over the Millenia, it is widely recognised – and in fact it has been now well documented – that the various human activities that have caused the climate shift we are now experiencing – have largely all happened in the last 150 years. The explosion of C02 emissions haven’t been caused by indigenous burnings in Australia (as regrettable as that has been to the preservation to the continental wide remnant Gondwana land temperate rainforest of 40,000 years ago). Nor has it been caused by the land clearing by early European and Chinese (and others) agricultural communities (as regrettable as those are). All the tipping points have occurred recently. It is the west’s Industrial Age that has driven nearly all of that. It still largely DOES.
Detecting the cause of America’s steadily deteriorating economy
https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/9/26/2125314/-Detecting-the-cause-of-America-s-steadily-deteriorating-economy
US Federal government corporate tax revenues
Mexicanbeemer says:
Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 11:46 am
Ven
Is ‘City of Yarra ‘ controlled by Greens or Liberals?
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The City of Yarra is solid Green/ALP territory in Adam Bandt’s seat and its antics might impact who wins Richmond in the Victorian state election.
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ALP has no councillors on current council. 5 Greens, with 2 Socialists and 2 independents making up the opposition.
Government senate leader Penny Wong confirms Labor wants the territory rights bill to be put to a vote before the end of the year.
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I hope Kevin Andrews enjoys it!
Wouldn’t it be nice if the local councils were run by people other than those beholden to various national/State political machines.
andrewmck says:
Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 12:23 pm
Mexicanbeemer says:
Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 11:46 am
Ven
Is ‘City of Yarra ‘ controlled by Greens or Liberals?
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The City of Yarra is solid Green/ALP territory in Adam Bandt’s seat and its antics might impact who wins Richmond in the Victorian state election.
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ALP has no councillors on current council. 5 Greens, with 2 Socialists and 2 independents making up the opposition.
中华人民共和国
Is that ridgey didge cobber? 🙂
C’Mon spill the beans one and all, what has the “City of Yarra” been up to? We non-Mexicans would be interested.
poroti says:
Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 12:34 pm
Wouldn’t it be nice if the local councils were run by people other than those beholden to various national/State political machines.
中华人民共和国
If you ask me these tin pot local Governments should follow the Queensland model and amalgamate the buggery out of them. Brisbane City Council 1.2 million residents. Yarra Council – 100,000.
So, Labor’s NACC will only hold public hearings in ‘exceptional circumstances’.
Is this a dodgy deal with the Libs to try and hide all their dirty dealings …?
Upnorth at 12:40 pm
Brisvegas city council ,ah yes, the people that gave us CanJoh 🙂
zoomstersays:
Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 9:57 am
Bugger.
My husband’s heart surgery – classified as ‘urgent’ about six weeks ago – has been delayed another fortnight.
Had all the ducks in a row for last Wednesday, and it was cancelled the Friday before.
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Bloody Andrews.
You just have to roll with the punches like they say.
Upnorth says:
Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 12:34 pm
… ALP has no councillors on current council. 5 Greens, with 2 Socialists and 2 independents making up the opposition.
中华人民共和国
Is that ridgey didge cobber?
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Would I lie to you?
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/victoria-s-first-greens-dominated-council-elected-in-yarra-20201106-p56c2k.html
My view is that we should encourage China to increase its CO2 emissions and encourage Modi’s ambition to increase India’s coal-burning from around 750 million tons a year to a billion tons a year.
You know. Because the West….
Rex Douglas says:
Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 12:41 pm
So, Labor’s NACC will only hold public hearings in ‘exceptional circumstances’.
Is this a dodgy deal with the Libs to try and hide all their dirty dealings …?
中华人民共和国
Actually I like the South Australian model – a model supported by ALL parties including the Greens.
Some commissions outside SA hold public hearings that result in public humiliation and the destruction of reputations. The processes invoked by corruption commissions bear no relationship to the fair processes a court must apply. The ALP are making the correct call.
The winds of change…
“ My view is that we should encourage China to increase its CO2 emissions and encourage Modi’s ambition to increase India’s coal-burning from around 750 million tons a year to a billion tons a year.
You know. Because the West….”
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I think that post is what could be described as being wilfully obtuse.