Time for a new open thread post, though I don’t have a whole lot to hang one off. There’s always US pollster Morning Consult’s tracking poll on approval of Anthony Albanese, which continues to record no significant change since June, with Albanese currently on 60% approval and 27% disapproval. This gives him the third best result of 22 international leaders being followed by the pollster, behind India’s Nahendra Modi and Mexico’s Andrés Manuel López Obrador.
There are also two new sets of supplemental results from last week’s Resolve Strategic poll in the Age/Herald:
• A series of questions on outcomes from the Jobs Summit published on Saturday had favourable results for multi-employer bargaining, more TAFE places and allowing older Australians to earn more before losing the aged pension, but only 34% in favour of the increased migration intake, with 33% opposed. Only 24% rated themselves “definitely aware” of the recent Jobs Summit, compared with 38% for “vaguely aware” and 38% for unaware. Thirty-six per cent agreed it had achieved its (non-political) objectives compared with 19% who disagreed and 46% who were either undecided or neutral.
• The Age/Herald had a further result yesterday showing a 64-36 break in favour of a constitutionally enshrined Indigenous voice, evidently based on a forced response. Clear majorities were recorded in all states, and while there is no reason to be dubious about this, the Tasmanian sample especially would obviously have been exceedingly small.
Belated thanks BK for today’s Dawn Patrol.
If the Greens don’t censure Thorpe perhaps the Labor Party had better take the lead on it?
I would hazard a guess that the amendments were made to conform with Senate practices.
For example, I can’t find any reference to the Senate being able to censure individual members – they can censure Ministers or the government.
What Pauline Hanson said was bigoted, though I don’t think it rose to the level of racism.
Watch out! I googled it, mate! 😆
the belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another.
As I understand Hanson’s comment, she told Faruqi to go back to the country she came from. She didn’t class her as an inferior human being because she came from another country. Though some may have read that into it.
Ah – here we go —
‘A motion in the form of a censure of a Member, such as the Leader of the Opposition, not being a member of the Executive Government, is not consistent with the parliamentary convention that the traditional purpose of a vote of censure is to question or bring to account a Minister’s responsibility to the House..’
‘..Whilst there are precedents for amendments expressing censure of private Members,[308] they may be considered bad precedents and undesirable, as they do not constitute good practice in terms of the principle that the conduct of a Member may only be challenged by way of a substantive motion.’
https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/House_of_Representatives/Powers_practice_and_procedure/Practice7/HTML/Chapter9/Motions_of_no_confidence_and_censure
Shoebridge makes fair points…
C@tmomma and Boerwar. Do you support the comments made by Hanson? Do you agree and or support the comment that she should, in fact, go back to Pakistan? Do you agree that it is appropriate for a member of the Australian senate to tell another member to go back to their place of birth or historical family connection because that person expressed a view about the legacy of the British Royal Family?
William do you have a timeframe for your Vic election guide?
This was briefly noted this morning. I just stumbled over it again on twitter.
“Druckabfall jetzt auch in Nord Stream 1: War es Sabotage? Kapazitat auf nul gesunken”
translates (approx) to
“Nord Stream 1 also loses pressure: Was it sabotage? Capacity dropped to zero”
The article goes on to say that the pipeline (presumably Nordstream 1) is leaking and unusable. Hmm.
wranslide
1. Do you think that Hanson’s comments were racist as per the censure motion? Is so, why?
2. Do you think Thorpe’s behaviour towards Atkinson deserves censure?
Nothing to do with Labor, pal, except that, as usual, the adults have to clean up after the kiddies.
Does Shoebridge support Thorpe’s behaviour towards Atkinson?
If so, when will he release a thousand word press release on the matter?
If not, why not?
Whether the phrase “go back to the country you came from” is racist is one of those things that requires an understanding and consideration of context and the surrounding circumstances in which it is uttered. Unlike for example calling someone a “ni*#er”. Which, I’m sure we’d all agree is implicitly racist (noting of course the argument that sometimes context may make even that no so – ie. a young black American calling a friend ‘my ni*#er’).
Taking into account the context and circumstances, it seems inarguably to me that Hanson wasn’t being racist. Clearly her past ‘form’ and the ethnicity of Senator Faruqi provide all the context one needs. Hanson was being racist. BRD.
C@tmomma said: “What Pauline Hanson said was bigoted, though I don’t think it rose to the level of racism.
Watch out! I googled it, mate!
the belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another.
As I understand Hanson’s comment, she told Faruqi to go back to the country she came from. She didn’t class her as an inferior human being because she came from another country. Though some may have read that into it.”
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Today on the “Labor can do no wrong” show, we have a person unironically arguing that telling someone to “go back to where you came from” isn’t racist. You can’t make this up!
I cordially invite you to come to Parramatta where I live and say this out loud.
Yes, wranslide at 4.33, Hanson should ‘go back’ to Pakistan.
I note that Hanson is a living embodiment of Queensland’s failure to elect a Legalise Cannabis candidate in her place!
Same with Victorians and whoever their Palmer-ite is.
wranslide @ #94 Tuesday, September 27th, 2022 – 4:33 pm
You have a very superficial analysis of things, wranslide. It’s what I have come to expect from you. I mean, you’re some random on the socials who puffs himself up to the point where he thinks he could do a better job of setting up the NACC than the Attorney General of Australia. Lol, wranslide.
Now, to the Hanson matter. Did you even read my comment @ 4.28pm? I said, for the slow learners, that Hanson’s comment was bigoted but that it didn’t rise to the level of racism, as defined. That seems to suggest that I don’t approve of what Hanson said. Maybe that’s because I have believed Pauline Hanson to have been an opportunistic bigot since she lost pre-selection for the Liberal Party. I don’t like her, I don’t like her politics and I believe that her influence has been both corrosive and cancerous to the Australian body politic.
What I believe is that she is a political opportunist and a grifter. I honestly don’t think she has the guts to be a racist.
C@tmomma.
I honestly don’t think she has the guts to be a racist.
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It doesn’t take guts to be a racist. In fact it requires the opposite cowardice.
I agree I have a superficial understanding of things. I accept that. I am not on your higher plain. But, having witnessed that comment, I have to confess to being quite happy down here with the common folk. You can live in your world where it takes guts to be a racist with the implication that to have such guts is admirable.
Sometime you really should check your comments before posting or googling and pasting.
wranslide @ #103 Tuesday, September 27th, 2022 – 4:46 pm
Bravo, wranslide! *golfclap*
Now, tell me, has every candidate for PHON since its establishment in 1997 been White?
Does Pauline Hanson exclude people standing for PHON because of the colour of their skin?
Pauline Hanson’s offer to drive Dr Faruqui to the airport was hate-filled, as everyone who has been told in bile-laden voice to “Go back to where you came from” will tell you.
There should be no place for hate speech in Parliament
Pauline Hanson gets elected because she is a racist
Anyway, the whole thing is simply a stunt by both political parties, PHON and The Greens to try and get attention for themselves.
I note that Pauline Hanson didn’t repeat what she said about Mehreen Faruqi outside of parliament.
It’s all been political theatre. End of.
Why are you doubling down C@t?
Seems … odd. And embarrassing. Please stop. For your sake.
C@t. I have put some observations and comments about what you have posted. I am going to leave it now and not further engage with you on this topic. It’s clear we disagree and it’s best if I just move on.
billie @ #105 Tuesday, September 27th, 2022 – 4:54 pm
Pauline Hanson’s offer to drive Mehreen Faruqi to the airport, was said in parliament, and was a stunt. Just like her hijab stunt. It’s what she does and she does it in the full knowledge that it excites her base and gains the attention of people who should know better. Like people here. Sucked in again by Pauline, guys.
Big news in Vic…
Interesting article:
When President Trump tweeted his racist remarks Sunday, asking why certain Democratic congresswomen don’t just “go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came,” he did not just take aim at the four women of color — three of whom were born in the U.S.
https://www.npr.org/2019/07/15/741827580/go-back-where-you-came-from-the-long-rhetorical-roots-of-trump-s-racist-tweets
There are only two things I can’t stand in this world: People who are intolerant of other people’s cultures, and the Dutch.
Andrew_Earlwood @ #107 Tuesday, September 27th, 2022 – 4:57 pm
I don’t need your pity, Andrew_Earlwood. If anyone should know better about what Hanson is doing it’s someone who comes across charlatans every day. Like you.
I’m simply trying to make people see what the woman is doing. That doesn’t mean I approve of what she said in any way, shape or form of words she has used. Obviously I need to try harder because she has sucked a lot of seemingly intelligent people in to her game.
Hanson’s talk to Faruqi was racist because Hanson is a racist.
Really?
X murdered Y because X is a murderer?
Since when is stunting and being a racist mutually exclusive? I thought both concepts often went hand in glove. Especially for a RW populist politician. Exhibit A – I present Donald Trump.
I’m actually genuinely surprised that I have to explain politics to people on a political blog!
Question: Did Hanson actually order a taxi to take Faruqi to the airport? Did she try to take her out of the Senate to get into said taxi?
If not, then it’s all just political theatre from a politician who has made their career out of appealing to bigots. Like Donald Trump.
Looks like another day where BW drives the agenda, mainly through constant posting.
“ it’s all just political theatre from a politician who has made their career out of appealing to bigots. Like Donald Trump.”
So … being racist?
Andrew_Earlwood @ #119 Tuesday, September 27th, 2022 – 5:12 pm
There’s a difference, an important one, between a bigot and a racist.
Oh, and here’s Trump the, um, ‘racist’:
For your sake, please stop C@t.
Still a wall of silence from the Greens Bludgers on Thorpe’s behaviour….
Um.
I really do hope you are not trying to make the point that it looks like you are making.
Snappy Tom says:
This photocopier…?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEp3Ig3isxc
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Dennis really needed to get hard. Like the boys from OfficeSpace:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9wsjroVlu8
I note the defence strategy employed by Senator Hanson today involved deflection and whataboutism.
A weak strategy than most will see through.
“ There’s a difference, an important one, between a bigot and a racist.”
This is a distinction without meaning.
Bigotry comes in many different forms. Which one exactly do you think Hanson was indulging in C@t? It wouldn’t happen to be racial bigotry by any chance?
nath says:
Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 5:02 pm
There are only two things I can’t stand in this world: People who are intolerant of other people’s cultures, and the Dutch.
中华人民共和国
What about Queenslanders? You have expressed some concern about our teeth and dress sense. I on the other hand have never cast aspersions on the Victorian race and it’s winter sport of choice 🙂
Rex
Still the wall of silence from the Greens Bludgers on Thorpe’s behaviour….
…worthy of a censure motion in the Senate?
“Go back to where you came from” is the chant of xenophobes everywhere. Racism is a subset of xenophobia. Instead of engaging with the person on the point of contention, they are saying that the person has not only no right to speak but also has no right to be here at all. It is most inappropriate language for anyone, let alone a parliamentarian.
Snappy Tom @ #174 Tuesday, September 27th, 2022 – 12:57 am
That proposal is what was voted down, in a landslide, in the 2011 Referendum
At one time I thought a possible first step to reform would be to implement the ‘Supplementary Vote’ – as used for London & other Mayors and Police Commissioners** – for the Commons. I think you could argue that as the voters already widely use the system a Referendum is not necessary and as it’s simpler then full AV it’s a much easier sell
**The Tories have now abolished this, when Sadiq Khan is up for re-election in 2024 it will be FPTP
Upnorth
Queenslanders have beautiful teeth, twice as many as Collingwood supporters.
Ray,
Thanks for the previous update re Neville meeting with Starmer.
Oh to be a fly on the wall ..!
Labor will be sorry if it introduces proportional representation.
Look at the dog’s breakfast which is impeding impeding progress on the Voice and FICACC in Australia.
Proportional representation gives vanishingly small minorities the opportunity to stunt, delay and wreck.
And most of them take the chance every single time.
Rex
Still the wall of silence from the Greens Bludgers on Thorpe’s behaviour….
…worthy of a censure motion in the Senate…
Now, had it been a Labor Senator, a Liberal Senator, a Nationals Senator…
poroti says:
Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 5:37 pm
Upnorth
What about Queenslanders? You have expressed some concern about our teeth ………
Queenslanders have beautiful teeth, twice as many as Collingwood supporters.
中华人民共和国
It’s the XXXX you see cobber. Mothers Milk.
Roy Morgan shows ALP two-party preferred lead unchanged; ALP 54.5% L-NP 45.5%
https://roymorganresearch.cmail20.com/t/j-l-viukutk-ouhituihd-r/
Boerwar, old mate,
You’re just a parody of an old conservative country party ranter these days. Not to be taken seriously and rarely worthy of a reply.