Miscellany: leadership approval and JSCEM (open thread)

Stable personal ratings for Anthony Albanese; election staffing concerns at the AEC; and a call for more territory Senators.

The flood of polling in the week after the budget is inevitably followed in the week after that. Here’s all I have:

• The tracking poll of Anthony Albanese’s personal ratings maintained by US pollster Morning Consult records no significant change, with Albanese starting November on 57% approval and 30% disapproval, down one and up two from the start of October.

• As reported by Anna Macdonald at The Mandarin, Electoral Commissioner Tom Rogers told the Joint Standing Committe on Electoral Matters the commission was struggling to attract staff at election time due to low pay and “bizarre behaviour” at polling places. Specifically, Rogers said the May federal election was marked by “people coming into the polling place and recording interactions with our staff, shouting at our staff, and some fairly bizarre behaviour that we haven’t seen previously”.

• Independent ACT Senator David Pocock has made a submission to the inquiry calling for the two territories to have six Senators serving six-year terms on the same staggered cycle that applies to the rest of the Senate, as distinct from the current situation where they have two Senators each whose terms are tied to the House.

Author: William Bowe

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, has existed in one form or another since 2004, and is one of the most heavily trafficked websites on Australian politics.

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  1. Griff @ #1480 Saturday, November 12th, 2022 – 12:28 pm

    Shellbell @ Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 12:25 pm
    “30 years plus since I did my criminal law exam at Sydney Uni but I do recall thinking at the time a problem based on necrophilia was a little over the top.”

    I am not sure that it is as feasible from below. Not that I would know 🙂

    Depends if you jump in first I guess. 😐

  2. Cronus @ Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 1:08 pm

    It may be argued that the money spent in the 2019 election provided a return on investment for Clive Palmer.

  3. Griffsays:
    Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 12:50 pm

    An interesting imbroglio involving David Crowe. Perhaps he might clarify further on one of his common appearances on Insiders.

    Thank you @jommy_tee When FOI documents are released the identity of the applicant is not revealed, so I did not know who lodged the request.I didn’t see the tweet thread. I wrote the column based on the documents, Senate estimates transcripts, emails and phone calls. https://t.co/fUuB7KvyNs— David Crowe (@CroweDM) November 10, 2022

    Interesting that he wouldn’t make enquiries as to whether it had been reported elsewhere. That the request had been made suggests others were interested in the issue at hand.

  6. Barney in Cherating @ #1504 Saturday, November 12th, 2022 – 12:21 pm

    Griffsays:
    Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 12:50 pm

    An interesting imbroglio involving David Crowe. Perhaps he might clarify further on one of his common appearances on Insiders.

    Thank you @jommy_tee When FOI documents are released the identity of the applicant is not revealed, so I did not know who lodged the request.I didn’t see the tweet thread. I wrote the column based on the documents, Senate estimates transcripts, emails and phone calls. https://t.co/fUuB7KvyNs— David Crowe (@CroweDM) November 10, 2022

    Interesting that he wouldn’t make enquiries as to whether it had been reported elsewhere. That the request had been made suggests others were interested in the issue at hand.

    I have ignored this but from others’ comments, he made no effort to discover the applicant, gave no acknowledge of or thanks to the “anonymous” applicant, and failed to indicate that it wasn’t he who applied. Again, I assume these things based on various comments here, twitter and aus.social. But if so, then it’s a simple ethics fail, perhaps rooted in arrogance and privilege.

    Acknowledgement is a sensitive issue for anyone who’s reward in part consists of acknowledgement by others for their work.

  7. Griffsays:
    Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 1:25 pm

    Barney in Cherating @ Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 1:21 pm

    A distinct lack of curiosity

    It also suggests a lack of interest in journalism outside the MSM and possibly explains why so few stories from outside the MSM are picked up.

  8. Late Riser @ Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 1:36 pm

    And doubled down by justification via ignorance, rather than rectifying after publication.

  9. Barney in Cherating @ Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 1:38 pm

    Agreed. The Fourth Estate has little liking for the Fifth Estate, which it regards as competition.

  10. Would have been better for Musk if never got out of bed..
    K O
    @kate10010
    ·
    16h
    Replying to
    @elonmusk
    and
    @michaelpachter
    Imagine spending months in court arguing Twitter doesn’t count users correctly then bragging about that same user count as soon as you buy it.

    Sorry this just gets better.
    Musk is such a twat that he ..

    1 sacks verification staff to save money
    2 implements sale of blue tick farts to make money
    3 hires staff to go through& add parody handle to accounts.

    Musk well on his way to bankruptcy.

    And on Friday evening, Mr. Musk tweeted that a “Parody” subscript would be added to accounts doing parody impersonations.

  11. Sceptic says:

    Musk well on his way to bankruptcy.
    _____
    even if twitter goes belly up Musk will still be the wealthiest person in the world.

  12. A Labor/Teal/Green Govt in Victoria should work well.

    It would only be threatened by self-interested faceless men in the factions.

    The conservative right would be electorally irrelevant.

  13. I’m sitting in the Qantas domestic lounge in Sydney after flying in from India this morning. Only to find a cruise ship full of infected passengers, and admission by the Qantas desk staff that they are aware of several said cruise passengers in the lounge.

    Mask back on and staying on until I land in Adelaide.

  14. Musk has that much money he doesnt know what to do with it. Its just pocket money to him. His net wealth is $220 billion according to the internet.

  15. Themunz says:
    Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 11:13 am
    Cronussays:
    Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 11:01 am

    Now open criticism of McConnell for not voting for impeachment which would have killed off Trump for good!
    ———————————————————————————————-

    Yep, they did their deal with the devil and now they have to live with him and the consequences thereof.

  16. Late Risersays:
    Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 1:36 pm

    For me the “Future Leaders” scheme is small beer compared to Robodebt scandal so why would such a journalist spend his time going through the FOI dump that he had no part in.

    Looks like he had to write about something as long it wasn’t Robodebt.

  17. Crowe is a journalistic elitist happy only to sashay around in the fourth estate top floor.

    I’m unsurprised he wouldn’t bother to check if the lowerclass had already published the story.

  18. Dr Doolittle says:
    Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 11:33 am
    Cronus at 11.22 am

    The difference is that the Russians never controlled Kyiv or Kharkiv, unlike Kherson.
    ———————————————————————————————-

    Quite so, they were more accurately failures to control rather than Kherson which was total occupation turned into genuine withdrawal. Which is why Kherson is a greater operational loss and impact on overall morale.

    FWIW, I think the failure to take Kyiv initially was an even bigger loss because Putin may have been able to short-circuit the war at that stage and force significant geographical gains out of the Ukrainians. The loss of a capital is always highly destructive on morale. On the other hand, this failure to take Kyiv probably should’ve told us something about Russia’s capability, leadership and command and control but most of us just assumed away the importance of it.

  19. Oliver Sutton says:
    Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 11:43 am
    Sighted at a Brisbane suburban shopping centre this morning:

    Two middle-aged women. One in a T-shirt proclaiming ‘Unmasked. Unvaccinated. Uncensored. Unafraid.’

    T’other in a hand-lettered T-shirt: ‘I will not comply.’

    Ah, Queensland! Beautiful one day, cooking the next.
    ——————————————————————————————-

    And they forgot one more word …….. Unintelligent.
    Still I suspect there are plenty more covid waves yet to come that will eventually help wipe out the shallow end of the gene pool (pun intended).

  21. phoenixRED says:
    Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 12:26 pm
    Duty To Warn @duty2warn

    Vanity Fair wins headline of the decade for sure. Yes, it’s real.
    ———————————————————————————————

    Parody will make Trump angry but irrelevance will make him blindly furious. Irrelevance is the single issue his mind cannot compute, nothing will cut him deeper.

  23. This seems a little odd …

    From the guardian live blog …

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2022/nov/12/australia-live-news-cruise-ship-with-800-covid-positive-passengers-docks-in-sydney-albanese-at-cambodia-summit?page=with:block-636eeaa98f088f91b4c65aca#block-636eeaa98f088f91b4c65aca

    New climate modelling suggests South Australia will grow hotter, more arid

    South Australia is in for hotter days and more of them, less rain but with heavier falls, and more severe fire conditions as the world’s climate warms, AAP reports.

    The forecast by the state’s department for environment and water is based on the likely effects of climate change obtained by modelling different greenhouse gas emission scenarios

    The concerning projections indicate increases in maximum, minimum and average temperatures, and a decline in average annual rain despite a greater frequency of extreme falls.

    They have been issued as a summary of likely changes in the decades ahead to key variables such as temperature, rainfall, evapotranspiration, days of severe fire danger and sea level rises.

    Acting climate minister, Joe Szakacs, says the data will be used by government, business and communities to prepare for change.

    “These projections reinforce why the state government declared a climate emergency and why South Australia can’t afford to wait any longer on real climate change action,” he said.

    …

    The modelling’s mid-range scenario is representative of a global temperature increase of between 1.9 degrees and 2.9 degrees by 2100, while a high-range scenario represents a 3.6 to 5.0 degree increase.

    So, what’s odd about it? Just being realistic, surely?

    Well, no. For a start, temperature increases in the mid range would be dangerous enough, and would likely mean worldwide economic and environmental catastrophe. Temperature increases in the upper range are likely not survivable at all.

    Planning to “prepare” for such an eventuality – instead of planning to “prevent” it – is worse than useless, since it would tend to make people believe otherwise.

    It seems we really have entered a completely new stage of denial. Something along the lines of “pretend that with adequate preparation we can cope with it” 🙁

  24. Ann Coulter and the Republicans might not have the last laugh at the Donald’s expense. This from the Lincoln Project’s co-founder:

    Rick Wilson@TheRickWilson · Nov 11
    Watching Trump break Murdoch is going to be what shocks y’all the most. But he will.

  25. Rex Douglas says:
    Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 2:07 pm

    A Labor/Teal/Green Govt in Victoria should work well.

    It would only be threatened by self-interested faceless men in the factions.

    The conservative right would be electorally irrelevant.
    中华人民共和国
    How is your campaign going cobber? Will you preference Labor over the Tories on your HTV?

  26. steve davis @ #1501 Saturday, November 12th, 2022 – 1:05 pm

    ‘Don’t go there’: PM warned on new tax
    Anthony Albanese’s plans to put a new tax on gas and thermal coal faces a firestorm from industry, a political fight from Peter Dutton and warnings from trading partners.

    Whatever Albo does regarding reduction of power bills will be wrong according to the Murdoch press.

    I see the scammers are dishing out threats now.

    Take them on Albo. Theirs is now a house of cards.

  28. Shanahan sounds extremely excited. A firestorm eh?

    <p.‘Don’t go there’: PM warned on new tax
    Anthony Albanese’s plans to put a new tax on gas and thermal coal faces a firestorm from industry, a political fight from Peter Dutton and warnings from trading partners.
    (Oz headline)

    EDIT: Oops! Beaten to the punch.

  29. nath says:
    Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 3:04 pm

    Republicans will have to nominate Trump surely. If not he will take the MAGAS and run as an IND to destroy DeSantis. Just out of spite.
    中华人民共和国
    Could be fun cobber!

  30. Upnorth – Be Proud of your Pragmatism says:
    Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 3:08 pm

    nath says:
    Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 3:04 pm

    Republicans will have to nominate Trump surely. If not he will take the MAGAS and run as an IND to destroy DeSantis. Just out of spite.
    中华人民共和国
    Could be fun cobber!
    _______________
    It would be hilarious. But that’s why they will have to go with Trump. Which won’t be so much fun.

  31. Mark Kelly brings Dems to brink of Senate control with win in Arizona: report

    Democrats got a huge boost in their efforts to maintain control of the U.S. Senate on Friday when Democrat Mark Kelly was the projected winner of Arizona’s U.S. Senate race

    With the projection of Kelly winning, 49 U.S. Senate seats have been called for Democrats — with another 49 seats called for Republicans.

    If Democrats also win Nevada, Vice President Kamala Harris’ tie-breaking vote would keep them in control of the U.S. Senate.

    There is also the Dec. 6 Senate runoff in Georgia, where Republican former football player Herschel Walker is challenging Sen. Raphael Warnock.

    If Democrats were to lose Nevada, they would still have a chance of winning the Senate in the Georgia runoff after Kelly’s victory.

    https://www.rawstory.com/mark-kelly-senate/

  32. nath says:
    Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 3:11 pm

    Upnorth – Be Proud of your Pragmatism says:
    Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 3:08 pm

    nath says:
    Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 3:04 pm

    Republicans will have to nominate Trump surely. If not he will take the MAGAS and run as an IND to destroy DeSantis. Just out of spite.
    中华人民共和国
    Could be fun cobber!
    _______________
    It would be hilarious. But that’s why they will have to go with Trump. Which won’t be so much fum
    中华人民共和国
    Yes he has the base crazy vote in the Primaries. Like Truss with the Tory party members in the UK.

  34. Sceptic says:
    Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 3:24 pm

    nath says:
    Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 3:04 pm

    Will Trump run as an independent & split the GOP vote in 2024?
    ________
    He will if they don’t nominate him. You would think, based upon everything we know of his character.

  35. And then there’s that pesky little issue of Attorney General Merrick Garland and the Justice Department.

    It’s widely believed Trump will be indicted by the DOJ either for stealing classified documents from the White House and stashing them at Mar-a-Lago, or for inciting the January 6 insurrection in his final days in office, but that Garland has been following the so-called “60 day rule,” in which the DOJ avoids making any decisions that could impact an upcoming election.

  36. The real election loser for the Repugs was the reaction of so many of their loony division to the Roe v Wade decision. Their cries of triumph and suggestions of all sorts of ways they would take advantage of the decision was a killer imho. Rather than Trumpenstein I reckon this was the major vote killer for the Republicans.

  37. Trump will have a bigly yuge urge to run. The press have always made it “all about Trump all the the time” whenever he’s been involved. The chance to preen before the nation and be the centre of the nation’s attention one more time would be uber attractive to such a ‘modest’ guy.

  38. Oh bugger – now she is ahead in the count.

    “An adviser to the Democratic Party is apologizing for remarks he made on MSNBC where he suggested Rep. Lauren Boebert’s (R-Colo.) next job should be working for OnlyFans.

    DNC adviser Kurt Bardella appeared on Joy Reid’s show Wednesday to discuss Boebert’s very close election race with Democratic opponent Adam Frisch.

    The race has tightened considerably as of Thursday, but at the time of the interview, it appeared as if Boebert might be looking for another job besides a congresswoman.

    Reid naturally wondered what Boebert might do next, which inspired Bardella to joke, “I guess it might be a gain for OnlyFans.”

  39. Player Onesays:
    Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 2:37 pm

    This seems a little odd …

    From the guardian live blog …

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2022/nov/12/australia-live-news-cruise-ship-with-800-covid-positive-passengers-docks-in-sydney-albanese-at-cambodia-summit?page=with:block-636eeaa98f088f91b4c65aca#block-636eeaa98f088f91b4c65aca

    New climate modelling suggests South Australia will grow hotter, more arid

    South Australia is in for hotter days and more of them, less rain but with heavier falls, and more severe fire conditions as the world’s climate warms, AAP reports.

    The forecast by the state’s department for environment and water is based on the likely effects of climate change obtained by modelling different greenhouse gas emission scenarios

    The concerning projections indicate increases in maximum, minimum and average temperatures, and a decline in average annual rain despite a greater frequency of extreme falls.

    They have been issued as a summary of likely changes in the decades ahead to key variables such as temperature, rainfall, evapotranspiration, days of severe fire danger and sea level rises.

    Acting climate minister, Joe Szakacs, says the data will be used by government, business and communities to prepare for change.

    “These projections reinforce why the state government declared a climate emergency and why South Australia can’t afford to wait any longer on real climate change action,” he said.

    …

    The modelling’s mid-range scenario is representative of a global temperature increase of between 1.9 degrees and 2.9 degrees by 2100, while a high-range scenario represents a 3.6 to 5.0 degree increase.

    So, what’s odd about it? Just being realistic, surely?

    Well, no. For a start, temperature increases in the mid range would be dangerous enough, and would likely mean worldwide economic and environmental catastrophe. Temperature increases in the upper range are likely not survivable at all.

    Planning to “prepare” for such an eventuality – instead of planning to “prevent” it – is worse than useless, since it would tend to make people believe otherwise.

    It seems we really have entered a completely new stage of denial. Something along the lines of “pretend that with adequate preparation we can cope with it”

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

    You just get funnier and funnier when you try and pretend you understand what it is saying.

    When a certain level of climate change is already locked in no matter what we do, it is more than pertinent to look at what we can do to deal with that.

    Also we are talking about SA, who in the next few years are expected to reach the 100% renewables milestone.

    As for the expected change in climate, they seem to suggest that the prevailing wind will shift to a more northerly direction bringing in more moisture and thunderstorm activity from the tropics and less rainfall from frontal activity from the south.

  40. Sohar says:
    Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 2:40 pm
    Ann Coulter and the Republicans might not have the last laugh at the Donald’s expense. This from the Lincoln Project’s co-founder:

    Rick Wilson@TheRickWilson · Nov 11
    Watching Trump break Murdoch is going to be what shocks y’all the most. But he will.
    ———————————————————————————————

    A version of MAD perhaps? In any case, absorbing and fulfilling to onlookers.

  41. Rick Wilson@TheRickWilson · Nov 11

    Watching Trump break Murdoch is going to be what shocks y’all the most. But he will.

    Why can’t they *break* each other ? That, I’d enjoy watching 🙂

    Its almost Christmas after all?

  42. dave says:
    Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 4:33 pm

    Rick Wilson@TheRickWilson · Nov 11

    Watching Trump break Murdoch is going to be what shocks y’all the most. But he will.

    Why can’t they *break* each other ? That, I’d enjoy watching

    Its almost Christmas after all?
    中华人民共和国
    Corn futures up $US4.28 per bushal last night. Maybe the popcorn makers are stocking up.

  46. BK

    We are in the eastern suburbs near Penfolds winery at Magill. It is bucketing down! First we got lots of lightening then lots of rain.

    No hail so far though – just very heavy rain.

  47. In Willunga the storm has just passed through..

    ..worst one I can remember, torrential rain and severe wind gusts..

    ..bloody frightening actually..

    ..stay safe BK, and Socrates..

  49. https://www.pollbludger.net/2022/11/08/miscellany-leadership-approval-and-jscem-open-thread/comment-page-30/#comment-4008571

    The Greens have been very clear, there is no deal between the Greens and the Liberals. The Greens are preferencing the ALP ahead of the Coalition in every seat and are doing no deals with the Liberals.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/nov/09/victorian-greens-to-preference-labor-above-liberals-as-major-parties-make-health-pledges

    The Liberals have to send their preferences somewhere and they have adopted a put the ALP last strategy.

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