Supplementary elections, by-elections and no polls (open thread)

Minor electoral events from Victoria and Northern Territory in lieu of new polling news to report.

We continue to await the return of Newspoll for the year, which I imagine might be forthcoming ahead of the return of parliament next week. With Essential Research having an off week in the fortnightly cycle, this leaves me with nothing to report on the poll front. Two bits of electoral news worth noting are that the Liberals won the supplementary election for the Victorian state seat of Narracan as expected on Saturday, confirming lower house numbers of 56 for Labor, 19 for the Liberals, nine for the Nationals and four for the Greens; and that Northern Territory Chief Minister Natasha Fyles has announced that the by-election for the seat of Arafura, following the death of Labor member Lawrence Costa on December 17, will be held on March 18. With that, over to you.

Author: William Bowe

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, has existed in one form or another since 2004, and is one of the most heavily trafficked websites on Australian politics.

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  1. Is it just me or do the alarm bells ring for others when a senior public servant can’t really remember what his job was in 2015.
    Luckily Mr Scott has the emails.

  2. Asha: “Anyone else been able to cast the robodebt stream to their TV? I’m not seeing any way to do it.”

    Plug your TV into your computer?

  3. “Voice Endeavour says:
    Friday, February 3, 2023 at 12:55 pm
    @Alpo – your argument is that it’s ok for Labor to be a year in, only have one real impactful policy, and for the policy to be this terrible.”

    “one real impactful policy”?… and do you call that a fair comment on what the ALP federal government has been doing in less than one year in power?
    Sit down and read:

    – Re-establishing good relationships with China.
    – Re-establishing good relationships with France.
    – Re-establishing good relationships with our Pacific neighbours
    (all of the above were ruined by the incompetence of the Scomo Coalition government)
    – Establishing the Voice referendum.
    – Anti corruption commission: “Dreyfus introduced a bill to establish a National Anti-Corruption Commission in September 2022. The bill passed the Parliament on 30 November 2022”
    – Bernard Collaery prosecution: “On 7 July 2022, Attorney-General Mark Dreyfus exercised his power under section 71 of the Judiciary Act to cease proceedings against Bernard Collaery in connection with the Australia–East Timor spying scandal.”
    – Humanitarianism: “On 27 May 2022, Jim Chalmers announced that he had, as interim Minister for Home Affairs, exercised his power to allow the Murugappan family to return home to Biloela on bridging visas.”
    – Humanitarianism: “In late 2022, the Albanese government started repatriation of ISIS brides from Syria.”
    – “In September 2022, the Albanese government increased the permanent migration intake from 160,000 to a record 195,000 a year.”
    – “Tony Burke was appointed Minister for Employment. On 23 May 2022, Albanese announced that he would summon an employment summit including unions and business leaders. The summit was expected to be held in September 2022. Albanese flagged a number of changes to industrial relations law including criminalising wage theft.”
    – “On 27 May 2022, the Prime Minister sent correspondence to the Fair Work Commission confirming that his government would seek to make a submission to the Commission in support of an increase to the minimum wage. Burke announced that a submission had been formally made to the commission on 3 June 2022 and that a ‘deliberate’ policy of lower wages was not the policy of the new government. The Fair Work Commission subsequently announced on 15 June 2022 that the minimum wage would be raised by 5.2%.”
    – “The government passed new workplace harassment laws through the parliament on 28 November 2022. The news laws implement the recommendation of the Respect@Work Report to create a positive duty requiring employers to implement measures to prevent sexual harassment, sex discrimination and victimisation.”
    – “On 2 December 2022, the government’s Secure Jobs, Better Pay law passed the parliament. Under the new laws, unions can now negotiate multi-employer pay deals in an effort to secure wage increases across particular sectors such as child care and aged care. The law also aims to close the gender pay gap by prohibiting pay secrecy employment clauses and secures the right of workers to seek flexible working arrangements.”
    – “On 7 July 2022, Albanese unveiled a new ministerial code of conduct which prohibited ministers from utilising blind trusts. This was in response to the blind trust used by Christian Porter under the previous government to fund personal defamation proceedings brought by him.”
    – Republic: “Matt Thistlethwaite was appointed the first Assistant Minister for the Republic on 1 June 2022. Thistlethwaite confirmed that the government’s priority during its first term would be to seek constitutional recognition of Indigenous Australians, but that a transition to a republic could be on the agenda for a potential second term.”
    – “On 9 December 2022, Albanese announced that National Cabinet had agreed to a plan put forward by the government to deal with rising energy prices by introducing gas and energy price caps. Albanese also announced that he would recall the parliament to deal with the energy intervention bill before the end of the year. The bill passed the parliament on 15 December 2022. It introduced a 12-month cap on energy prices and a $1.5 billion relief package for households and businesses.”
    – Climate change: “On 16 June 2022, Bowen and Albanese submitted a new Nationally Determined Contribution to the United Nations which formally committed Australia to reducing carbon emissions by 43% on 2005 levels. This represented an increase from the 26 to 28% target under the previous government. These targets were also codified in legislation which the government passed with support from the Greens and crossbench senators.”
    – Education: “Jason Clare was appointed Minister for Education. On 17 June 2022, Clare confirmed that the Albanese government intends to make changes which give schools a choice of whether to hire a religious or secular pastoral care worker through the National School Chaplaincy Programme.
    Clare announced an Australian Universities Accord with the terms of reference covering funding, affordability, employment conditions for staff and how universities and TAFEs can work together. The Accord’s final report is due to be handed down in December 2023.”
    – Environment: “On 19 July 2022, Plibersek released the State of the Environment Report which had been handed to the previous government in December 2021. The Report provided that every category of the Australian environment – apart from urban environments – was now in a poor and deteriorating state. In response, Plibersek announced that the government would adopt a new target of protecting 30% of the Australian environment and promised stronger environmental protection legislation to be introduced in 2023. On 8 December 2022, Plibersek announced that the government would commit to a reform of federal environmental laws, in response to an independent review first submitted to the Morrison Government in 2020. The reform would include the creation of a federal Environment Protection Agency (EPA) which would impose legally binding environmental standards and oversee decision-making processes of the states and territories, as well as increased restrictions to native logging and the establishment of a “traffic light” rating system where some areas could be designated as having a high conservation value. The government planned to introduce legislation to parliament before the end of 2023″
    – Housing: “Julie Collins was appointed Minister for Housing. The government’s Regional First Home Buyer Guarantee was launched on 1 October 2022. The program provides a government guarantee of up to 15 per cent for eligible first home buyers, so regional Australians with a deposit of as little as 5 per cent can avoid paying lenders’ mortgage insurance.”
    – Royal Commission into the Robodebt Scheme.
    – Health: “In October 2022, the government’s cheaper medications bill passed the parliament. The new law reduced the cost of PBS medications by 29% and reduced the co-payment.”

    … and more and more on: COVID pandemic, floods response, aged care, NDIS, child care (“In November 2022, the parliament passed the government’s cheaper childcare laws. The new laws will commence operation in July 2023 and will see the childcare subsidy increased from 85% to 90% for families on an income below $80,000”), Administrative Appeals Tribunal… and even Australia Day (“On 18 January 2023, the Labor Albanese government removed a Morrison government ban on public servants working 26 January, Australia Day…. On 16 December 2022, the Labor Albanese government removed a Morrison government policy of making local councils to hold citizenship ceremonies on 26 January, Australia Day.”)

    … Are you still there?….. 🙂

  4. @Zoomster – no, that’s just PB’s usual nonsense.

    Dutton wants to oppose all action.
    Labor want to be seen to do something, whilst opposing any action that will actually achieve anything.
    The Greens want to achieve something.

    That’s true on the Voice, on climate, on healthcare, on pretty much every issue.

    With Labor in government, we see positions put forward that will do nothing, but make it look like Labor care.

    Dutton opposes them because he doesn’t even want to look like he cares. The Greens typically state an opposition to the policy, because that’s their best opportunity to demand concessions from Labor and amend the policy to at least have some impact. Once the Greens can extract something from Labor, their opposition typically turns to support.

  5. VE: “Meanwhile, they will continue to”

    Meanwhile the greens continue to oppose the voice.

    Stone houses and glasses and all that.

  6. TPOF says:
    Friday, February 3, 2023 at 12:28 pm

    poroti says:
    Friday, February 3, 2023 at 12:12 pm
    While the reports from Bludgerville’s RCWatch have been enjoyable and often very LOL there is a depressing thought.. The likelihood of these unfortunate goats being tossed into the Robodebt volcano are just the ‘unlucky’ ones. Should a similar penetrating gaze be cast upon any number of areas of government administration we’d probably see and hear all the same tales.

    _________________________________

    One of the key objectives of this commission, I hope, will be recommendations that can apply across the whole of the APS. It has certainly revealed fundamental problems with the way the Commonwealth government does its legal business.

    However, I have never come across any government program which has had such an adverse impact on such a large number of fairly helpless people on such poor administrative and legal foundations. I hope I never see such a thing again. And it was all about money and votes by demonising a segment of society.
    ____________

    Along with the Voice referendum, can we have another to enshrine Public Service independence in the Constitution? Oh, sorry…

  7. “Pi says:
    Friday, February 3, 2023 at 1:30 pm
    VE: “Meanwhile, they will continue to”

    Meanwhile the greens continue to oppose the voice.”

    Or at the very least they are still navel-gazing about it. As for all the other policies introduced by the ALP, the Greens have just backed the ALP proposal.

  8. We now have another witness in Mr Williamson who was happier to make convenient assumptions than ask questions that were desperately begging to be asked.

  9. Alpo: “at the very least ”

    No one gets to sit on the fence with this one. You’re either in support of the Uluru Statement and it’s model to enshrine the voice into the constitution, or you’re against it.

    The greens indigenous representative walked out on it. They’re against it until they say otherwise. Which. they. have. not. done.

  10. VE

    ‘Labor want to be seen to do something, whilst opposing any action that will actually achieve anything.’

    Labor is supporting the Voice, following the expressed wishes of FN people.

    If FN people are wrong their wishes, that’s their business.

    Labor is doing what it has been asked to do.

    The Greens appear to be opposing this.

    ‘The Greens want to achieve something.

    That’s true on the Voice, on climate, on healthcare, on pretty much every issue.’

    So the Greens think that the Voice won’t achieve anything.

    Thanks for the clarification.

    (Sidenote – the Greens cannot ‘achieve’ any of these things. They can lobby others to achieve it, perhaps. The more they refuse to give credit where it is due or quibble about trifles, the less likely they are to ‘achieve’ anything).

  11. ‘Voice Endeavour says:
    Friday, February 3, 2023 at 1:30 pm


    The Greens want to achieve something.’
    ———————-
    haha.
    That something is that the Greens is delay and confusion.

  12. It is not just Thorpe vs the Greens partyroom. There would be other Greens MPs who are sympathetic to Thorpe’s stance. It may end up that the Greens partyroom splits three ways, with some MPs abstaining from the vote as a figleaf to Thorpe. I wonder which way Bandt will go?

  13. Sure Zoomster, Labor is following the wishes of all First Nations people… All the First Nations people protesting against the Voice are doing it ironically.

    https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/8061215/stop-the-war-on-our-people-january-26-protests-to-focus-on-sovereignty-voice-opposition/

    Just stop this rubbish. You know it’s a complicated issue. You know there’s a lot of downsides to the Voice and you know how much harm it will do to First Nations people.

    Policy is hard, we all get that. Trying to pretend that Labor’s idea is perfect and all other ideas are evil just makes you look ridiculous.

  14. LVT
    Anyone who thinks that a real reformer will get up does not know the Curia.
    Karol Wojtyła’s stacking of the college during his 27 year reign will take a century to undo.
    We can only hope that someone uses their Jus exclusivae to block some of the more rabid. As you know, this has not occurred since the highly disputed 1958 conclave. Although Franco unsuccessfully tried to block Montini in 1963 (Opus Dei suffered a rare defeat)

  15. It’s now February, Adam Bandt has barely surfaced since before Christmas. We are told the Greens partyroom are bunkered down to finalise a position on the Voice, only to find out that the Greens FN spokesperson Thorpe is not in attendance? Is this like the Uluru Statement conference where Thorpe allegedly stormed out or was asked to leave? Has Thrope bailed on her colleagues because she won’t get her own way? I mean if the Greens did 1 minute of research into the character of their candidates maybe there would be some proper vetting. Bandt and the Greens generally ought to be politically punished for their recent antics and for taking their supporters for granted.

  16. VE: “Just stop this rubbish. ”

    Indeed. You do that. Declare your support for the FN people who drafted the Uluru Statement. You’re either for them out against them. I’m for them. The greens indigenous representative walked out on them.

    That is who you are.

  17. “Pi says:
    Friday, February 3, 2023 at 1:44 pm

    (Re: Greens and the Voice..)

    No one gets to sit on the fence with this one. ”

    I agree, and the Greens will finally have to come up with a position on the Voice.
    I am confident that they won’t back the No option.
    They will most likely back the Yes option.
    But weak-as-piss Bandt may go for a “free vote… because we are democratic, blah, blah”. Now, that wouldn’t bother me too much in practical terms, as the vast majority of Greens voters will use their “free vote” to vote YES to the Voice, as indicated by opinion polls. Bandt, however, will shrink to the size of a mouse as a leader.

  18. Voice Endeavour is doing a classic Greens’ drive sledge on climate. The cultist’s view is that only the Greens could possibly be trusted to do anything substantive. (This is despite the Greens doing nothing substantive for three decades.)

    In just eight months, the Albanese Government has committed to fund, directly funded and/or unlocked through joint funding and/or through concessional funding to build something like $30 billion in investments to support the transition to renewables.

    These are massive investments compared to the activities of the Greens’ wedge partners, the Coalition over the past ten years.

    There is also a significant pattern of Australia re-engaging with a slew of international initiatives to promote, develop or deliver renewables.

    1. State and Territory energy ministers endorse proposal to establish a Capacity Investment Scheme (CIS)
    2. Albanese Government provides grant for the largest adoption of EV trucks for delivers in Western Sydney.
    3. Albanese Government delivers first Annual Climate Change Statement to increase transparency.
    4. Safeguard Mechanism Crediting Bill introduced to Parliament.
    5. Albanese Government unlocks investment in $3 billion clean energy jobs project in regional Victoria.
    6. Albanese Government improves accessibility of EVs under a new EV financing agreement between the Clean Energy Finance Corporation (CEFC) and Taurus Motor Finance.
    7. Albanese Government funds $500 million to the Powering Australian Technology Funds to help Australian businesses to progress innovative projects and technologies to reduce emissions.
    8. Albanese Government appoints Australia’s first Ambassador for Climate Change.
    9. Albanese Government commences public consultation on National Energy Performance Strategy.
    10. Joint NSW government and Albanese funding deal of $7.8 billion to back eight critical transmission and REZ projects in NSW.
    11. Albanese Government opens consultation on National Energy Objectives.
    12. Albanese Government invests in giant Walla Walla Solar farm.
    13. Albanese Government funds $176 in large scale battery funding to deliver more secure power.
    14. Albanese Government commences the roll out of 400 batteries to rural and remote communities.
    15. Albanese removes native wood waste from from the RET.
    16. October 2022 Budget. $20 billion in low cost finance to upgrade and expand Australia’s electricity grid.
    17. October 2022 Budget. $1.9 billion in Powering the Regions Fund to foster industries in order to deliver decarbonisation.
    18. Albanese Government funds $5 million to research to reduce domestic stock methane emissions.
    19. Albanese Government joins global methane pledge.
    20. Albanese Government funds $45 million to renewable storage project in Broken Hill.
    21. Albanese Government funds $500 million to Powering Australian Technology Fund to boost renewables.
    22. Rewiring the Nation Plan will fast track renewables in Victoria. Funding includes $1.5 billion in concessional financing. Government investment is expected to attract $1.5 billion in private investment.
    23. Albanese Government funds $10 million to assist in the measurement of soil carbon.
    24. Albanese Government joins with global partners to launch the World’s first Net Zero Government Initiative at Cop 27.
    25. Albanese Government joins alliance offshore wind industry.
    26. Joint Tasmanian and Albanese Government funding support to fund over $1 billion boost for a suite of projects to shift to renewables and to reduce carbon. Includes the Marinus link. Funding is expected to trigger net market value of $4.5 billion.
    27. Albanese Government endorses Glasgow Breaklthrough Agenda on Agriculture.
    28. Albanese Government joins International Mangrove Alliance for Climate Action.
    29. Albanese Government joins COP 27 pledge to clean up the international shipping industry.
    30. Albanese Government announces introduction of tighter emissions standards for vehicles.
    31. Albanese Government funds $14 million to measure real-world fuel use by vehicles.
    32. Albanese Government becomes a founding member of the Forests and Climate Leadership Partnership.
    33. Commences public consultation on improved fuel quality standards.
    34. Albanese Government welcomes AEMO’s decision to suspend the wholesale spot market.
    35. Albanese Government commits to stronger action on climate change. This change in stance is welcomed world wide. It is also the signal for increased private sector in renewable.
    36. Albanese Government funds $45 million to the Australian Centre for Advanced Photovoltaics.

  19. Now that both Liberal Premiers have signed up to support the Voice, when can we expect the avalanche of press stories about LIBERAL SPLIT and DUTTON ISOLATED?
    Given the breathless hyping of “ALBO GAVE A SPEECH” around 2019 and the “LABOR DIVIDED” shoutiness when Joel Fitzgibbon (who he?) had a slightly different view to the party position on coal, then surely fairs fair.
    Or maybe, going out on a limb here, we have deathly silence from a sh*t partisan media and a cowed ABC.

  20. ‘S. Simpson says:
    Friday, February 3, 2023 at 1:51 pm

    It’s now February, Adam Bandt has barely surfaced since before Christmas. …’
    ——————-
    Well, he did pop his head up to announce that he would oppose the next legislative instalment of Labor’s commitment to deliver 43/30.
    Greens’ Stunt; shout; delay; block; political playbook.

  21. Boerwar says:
    Friday, February 3, 2023 at 12:55 pm

    ‘Voice Endeavour says:
    Friday, February 3, 2023 at 12:40 pm

    Labor are moving to approve fossil fuel projects that even the Liberals were planning to block. Combined with setting an emissions reduction target that will be delivered by BAU/State Government action, and acting to ensure polluters can use dodgy offsets to meet the mediocre targets. The climate wars are well and truly over. Global warming has won.

    Of Labor’s signature policies this term, most are about style over substance. The only one that will actually deliver on what’s promised is Labor’s policy of huge, unaffordable tax cuts for millionaires’
    —————————————-
    The Labor Government is behaving exactly as it promised to do during the election campaign. It was elected to majority government so to do.
    It has legislated 43/30 as per the election promises.
    It is now beginning to deliver on the legislative and major program package required to deliver 43/30.
    If you don’t like that, tough titty. Based on past bitter experience Dutton and Bandt will join forces to delay progress, putting the 43/30 outcome in doubt.

    I suggest the Greens sort themselves out on their 14 Voice positions before they start snarking at the Labor Government doing what it promised.
    ____________

    Only 14?

  22. Voice Endeavour says:
    Friday, February 3, 2023 at 1:47 pm

    Sure Zoomster, Labor is following the wishes of all First Nations people… All the First Nations people protesting against the Voice are doing it ironically.

    https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/8061215/stop-the-war-on-our-people-january-26-protests-to-focus-on-sovereignty-voice-opposition/

    Just stop this rubbish. You know it’s a complicated issue. You know there’s a lot of downsides to the Voice and you know how much harm it will do to First Nations people.

    Policy is hard, we all get that. Trying to pretend that Labor’s idea is perfect and all other ideas are evil just makes you look ridiculous.
    ——————————
    1. A large majority of First Nations MPs and Senators support the Voice.
    2. The majority of first nations reps at Uluru supported the Voice.
    3. In two polls a very high majority of First Nations respondents support the Voice. (Way beyond any possible MOE).
    4. The Greens started six years ago by fully supporting the Statement from the Heart. This begins with the Voice, moves through Makarrata and ends with ‘Agreement Making’ aka the Treaty. The Greens have, between them, subsequently announced public 13 variations, backflips and contradictory positions on the implementation of the Statement from the Heart.

    1. The Greens support the referendum.
    2. The referendum is not worth the money.
    3. The Greens will not support the No campaign.
    4. SH-Y announces that she would vote ‘Yes’, so I will count that as yet another Greens position.
    5. The Greens will only support the referendum IF the government implements all the recommendations of the RCIDIC and the Stolen Generations RC and that was accompanied by a firm ‘maybe’ or was that an ‘even if’…?
    6. The Greens will not support the referendum unless negotiations for the Treaty and the Makarrata have been ‘progressed’. ‘Progressed’ is not defined.
    7. Waters announces that the Greens do NOT have a ‘formal’ position but that the formal position that does not exist nevertheless includes that there must be ‘progress’ on the Voice, Makarrata and the Treaty if the Greens are to support the referendum.
    8. Bandt announces that he wants a Treaty ‘now’. (One assume that this will be negotiated on behalf of Australia’s one million Indigenous peoples by the Greens’ BlakGreens.)
    9. The Greens will NOT support the Voice Referendum unless the Government passes legislation implementing UNDRIP.
    10. South Australian Greens introduce, and vote for, legislation supporting the Voice Referendum. The Original Greens and the BlakGreens and the Price/Mundines Not Greens are at each others’ throats.
    11. The Greens support Invasion Day Rallies against the Voice.
    12. The ACT Greens vote for a motion fully supporting the Voice Referendum.
    13. The Voice is a ‘joke’.
    14. The NSW Greens do not have a ‘formal’ position on the Voice but encourage people to listen to Indigenous people.
    15. Won’t support the Voice unless it is made explicit that First Nations have not ceded sovereignty.
    16. Sovereignty issue was made explicit. This was ignored.
    17. The Greens go off on a Retreat to sort 1-16 out. Current situation?

  23. As I understand it OC – 4 Benedict Cardinals loose their voting rights by the end of this Year – and this could be the difference in P6/ JP2/B17 v F1 numbers.

    Is David Yallop still alive ?

  24. ‘Voice Endeavour says:
    Friday, February 3, 2023 at 2:01 pm

    I only got as far as #1 in your list BW before I laughed so hard I couldn’t read. Thanks, that’s great ‘
    ——————————
    Of course. You stated that Labor is doing nothing of substance. Nothing. Confronted with evidence that Labor is, in fact, doing a huge amount you respond by ignoring the evidence.
    One explanation might just be that you are a Greens doing standard Greens projections.

  25. BK says:
    Friday, February 3, 2023 at 1:26 pm

    Anyone else been able to cast the robodebt stream to their TV? I’m not seeing any way to do it.
    _______
    Asha
    1. You need a smart TV that is connected to your wi-fi network
    2. Your computer, phone, etc that you use must also be connected to your network
    3. You must use Google Chrome browser
    4. Bring up the livestream on your device
    5. At the top right of your Chrome browser there are three dots arranged vertically. Click on this for a dropdown menu to appear and chose “Cast”. It will than show you the available TVs to which you can cast. Select the one you want
    6. Voila!
    ____________

    This is all very new-fangled BK!

  26. Geetroit says:
    Friday, February 3, 2023 at 1:57 pm

    Now that both Liberal Premiers have signed up to support the Voice, when can we expect the avalanche of press stories about LIBERAL SPLIT and DUTTON ISOLATED?
    Given the breathless hyping of “ALBO GAVE A SPEECH” around 2019 and the “LABOR DIVIDED” shoutiness when Joel Fitzgibbon (who he?) had a slightly different view to the party position on coal, then surely fairs fair.
    Or maybe, going out on a limb here, we have deathly silence from a sh*t partisan media and a cowed ABC.
    ____________

    +1
    The Lamestream Media can be expected to give any sign of Liberal division on the Voice the “Robodebt RC Treatment”.

  27. VE was enjoying themselves while they were spouting the Greens standards that Labor does nothing and the Greens would do everything… until VE was confronted by the facts.

    Result? VE disappears.

  28. C@tmommasays:
    Friday, February 3, 2023 at 12:13 pm
    Re the bountiful Self Managed Super Funds. You’ll probably find Salary Sacrifice is the cause of a lot of it. My son was even offered it and he’s just a lowly NDIS Carer.
    ————————————————————————

    Salary sacrifice in itself is a good thing, particularly for younger people as it allows compound interest to work its magic over a long period.

    The problem is allowing excessively large balances to accumulate and reap excessively large tax concessions.

    On top of that withdrawals are tax free!!!

    Only the LNP could engineer a boondoggle like this.

  29. VE

    ‘ Trying to pretend that Labor’s idea is perfect and all other ideas are evil just makes you look ridiculous.’

    Not what I’m doing.

    I’m supporting the expressed wishes of those 250 representatives of FN people, supported by 80% of FN people.

    It’s not Labor’s idea.

    I wouldn’t insult FN people the way you are by imposing my whitey values on its level of perfection or otherwise – I’m content to be guided by them.

  30. @BW – the capacity market is such a strange example for you to point to, for Federal Labor doing stuff to fight climate change.

    Firstly, it’s a classic example of federal governments claiming credit for the work of the States and the market bodies. Albo has NOTHING to do with this.

    A capacity market traditionally is a support for fossil fuels over variable renewable electricity. It’s impact on electricity markets is also massively overstated. The NEM is dysfunctional, but so are plenty of capacity markets. It is yet to be seen whether the CM will increase or decrease new build, retirements, prices and emissions.

    The States have put in a shit load of effort to amend the Scottie and Albo from Marketing Coalkeeper capacity market, and modify it to hopefully prevent it having an impact of increasing emissions.

    So, the first example you could think of is SfM proposing an idea, Albo taking SfM’s idea and running with it, and the States doing all of the work to fix the idea and then implement it. You couldn’t think of a single better example? As I said, it’s pretty funny.

  31. Asha, my smart TV has ‘Internet Browser’ as one of the apps on the start-up screen.

    First time round I had to key in the Robodebt RC URL, character by character, from my remote to view the fun.

    But from then on, simply a matter of going to the History tab and clicking.

  32. Lars Von Trier says:
    Friday, February 3, 2023 at 2:05 pm

    As I understand it OC – 4 Benedict Cardinals loose their voting rights by the end of this Year – and this could be the difference in P6/ JP2/B17 v F1 numbers.

    Is David Yallop still alive ?
    ____________

    Not to be confused with Graham “Lambs to the Slaughter” Yallop – a better batsman than often recognised and poorly treated by selectors…

  33. BK @ #2018 Friday, February 3rd, 2023 – 12:34 pm

    Rossmcg
    Yes I do. He was excused as I recall but not immune to being served another bluey.

    Bennelong Lurker (Block)
    Friday, February 3rd, 2023 – 12:37 pm
    Comment #2022
    Rossmcg

    From memory, but being in my ninth decade it might be deficient, McNamara was not “excused” after his initial appearance. Very evident today why so, if so.

    Edit : added if so

    BL, BK and RossMcG

    I had a quick look at the proceedings on that day. Mr McNamara wasn’t excused. The Commissioner’s parting words to him were “I’m afraid we’ll have to get you back….”

  34. Lars & OC:
    26 April Voting Cardinals 123: Appointed by Francis 82 Benedict 31 John-Paul 10
    31 December Voting Cardinals 115: Appointed by Francis 79 Benedict 28 John-Paul 8

  35. I had a quick look at the proceedings on that day. Mr McNamara wasn’t excused. The Commissioner’s parting words to him were “I’m afraid we’ll have to get you back….”
    ____________
    Ballantyne
    All part of their grand plan, perhaps.

  36. Sadly missed this morning’s RC excoriation of PWC

    I am reminded of the old saying:

    What is the difference between a consultant and a shopping trolley?

    A shopping trolley has a mind of its own.

  37. ‘Voice Endeavour says:
    Friday, February 3, 2023 at 2:30 pm

    @BW – the capacity market is such a strange example for you to point to, for Federal Labor doing stuff to fight climate change.
    ….’
    —————————
    1. The Greens have achieved nothing on climate in three decades.

    2. The Coalition has spent the past three decades systematically undermining or blocking climate action for the last three decades.

    3. In just 8 months Labor has unleashed a slew of domestic and international initiatives.

    You can argue the detail. But what you cannot possibly do is to state that Labor has done nothing of substance on climate action. The laugh is on you, pal.

  38. Republicans quash Democratic ban on carrying guns in a congressional committee room

    A Democratic amendment to ban firearms from the hearing room for the GOP-led House Natural Resources Committee sparked a contentious debate Wednesday.

    https://www-nbcnews-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna68656?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQIKAGwASCAAgM%3D#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16753875560236&csi=0&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nbcnews.com%2Fpolitics%2Fcongress%2Fdemocrats-republicans-clash-carrying-guns-capitol-rcna68656

  39. I’m trying to work out whether it is ironic or symbolic that Barilaro is applying to have charges against him dismissed on mental health grounds, in the same week that he applies for a $300,000 -$400,000 a year job with ClubsNSW.


  40. C@tmommasays:
    Friday, February 3, 2023 at 2:41 pm
    I’ve just pulled in to Goulburn on the train to Canberra. 16.9C, feels like 8.1C.

    Good onya for taking the train. Thumbs up emoji.


  41. Fulvio Sammutsays:
    Friday, February 3, 2023 at 2:50 pm
    I’m trying to work out whether it is ironic or symbolic that Barilaro is applying to have charges against him dismissed on mental health grounds, in the same week that he applies for a $300,000 -$400,000 a year job with ClubsNSW

    Both.
    I didn’t know that ClubsNSW are so considerate of people with mental health issues that want to offer them a Top paying job.

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