Essential Research 2PP+: Labor 55, Coalition 40, undecided 5 (open thread)

The latest Essential Research poll finds no indication of weakening support for the government or an Indigenous voice.

Federal voting intention numbers from the latest fortnightly Essential Research poll have both parties down a point on the primary vote from a fortnight ago, with Labor at 33% and the Coalition at 30%, with the Greens enjoying a curiously timed three point surge to 17%, One Nation down two to 6% and undecided unchanged at 5%. Presumably reflecting the elevated result for the Greens, Labor is up two on the 2PP+ measure at 55% and the Coalition are down two to 40%, with undecided steady at 5%.

The poll also featured the pollster’s monthly “favourability ratings” for the two leaders, whom respondents rate on a scale of one to ten rather than provide straight approval and disapproval responses. Anthony Albanese’s results were little changed from late November, with 47% rating him seven or higher (up one), 27% from four to six (up one) and 22% from zero to three (down one), while Peter Dutton is respectively at 26% (down two), 31% (down one) and 35% (up two).

Support for an Indigenous voice increased two points to 65% with opposition down two to 35%, while 30% said they felt well informed about the proposal compared with 37% for poorly informed. Forty-three per cent rated that the country was headed in the right direction (down one), compared with 37% for the wrong direction (up one). The 300 respondents from New South Wales were again asked about approval of the state leaders, with Dominic Perrottet up four on approval to 51% and down three on disapproval to 33%, while Chris Minns at is steady at 38% and down two to 25%.

The poll was conducted Wednesday to Monday from a sample of 1000.

Author: William Bowe

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, has existed in one form or another since 2004, and is one of the most heavily trafficked websites on Australian politics.

3,009 comments on “Essential Research 2PP+: Labor 55, Coalition 40, undecided 5 (open thread)”

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  1. C@tmomma says:
    Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 6:16 pm
    This is one nath would approve of:

    HMAS The Stooges
    *******
    That’s taking the alliance too far, Cat. No Detroit bands here. Think of our sovereignty. (Michael Gudinski’s ghost wants the whole purchase renamed the Mushroom class.)
    Added. Kept in the dark and fed bullshit.

  2. C@tmomma says:
    Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 6:16 pm

    This is one nath would approve of:

    HMAS The Stooges
    _______________
    Permission to come aboard Captain?

  3. Beeswax: “I have always wondered if the Roman galleys ever made it to Australia…”

    Much more likely to find a chinese galley IMO. 2000 years ago China was in the middle of the Han dynasty and had about 60 million inhabitants. In the warring states period a few centuries before, they would send armies against one another with hundreds of thousands of soldiers and tens of thousands of cavalry. Makes many of those Roman battles seem a bit like skirmishes. The entire extended ancient Rome probably had the same amount of people, but Australia is a lot closer to China.

  4. Boerwar

    Thanks for the details and good point about Polynesian landing on Norfolk Island.

    The current in the Coral and Tasman Seas is circular and definitely crossable by boat. In fact if you start in the right Latitude you can drift to Australia from the South Pacific. Thor Heyerdahl’s Kon Tiki expedition proved that back in the 60s. From memory of the book they landed around Coff’s Harbour.

    There is a sharp distinction between Indonesian human settlement and Australian. Indonesia was settled by Homo Erectus prior to Homo Sapiens since at different times of lower sea level they could walk to it.

    Whereas the Timor Sea and trench divided them from Australia and New Guinea till they had boats able to cross the gap. So that only happened with Homo Sapiens in the past 60,000 years.

    Also the eruption of the Sumatran shield volcano at Taba (Lake Taba) was devastating on early human populations in SE asia around 60,000 BCE.

    I’m just going on memory from the courses. Anyway I reiterate that a museum of Aboriginal history and culture would have a pretty interesting story to tell.

    I saw a superb museum of Sami and Lap culture and arctic life in Roivaniemi, Finland. I’d love to see us do something to a similar standard.

  5. None of Your Beeswax says:
    Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 6:23 pm

    Whats going on here today??….I’m expecting Kumbaya to break out any minute now
    ________________________________

    That happens when HMAS The Seekers is launched and we all break out singing “Morningtown”.

    And on return to port the crew all sings “The Carnival is Over”

  6. Dr Fumbles McStupid

    “ Or even the HMAS TISM – with all crew in those cool balaclvas”

    A must include for the SSN class.
    If we built the French subs we might sneak in a HMAS Plastic Bertrand…

  7. zoomster: Wikipedia authors are not necessarily scientists.

    https://www.britannica.com/topic/Java-man

    Java man, extinct hominin (member of the human lineage) known from fossil remains found on the island of Java, Indonesia. A skullcap and femur (thighbone) discovered by the Dutch anatomist and geologist Eugène Dubois in the early 1890s were the first known fossils of the species Homo erectus.

    Does an encyclopedia meet your requirements?

  8. In 50 thousand years, evidence of white skinned caucasian dominance of the Australian mainland, for a relatively short few hundred years, will be preserved in museums as evidence of the environmental destruction of the island continent by the then inhabitants, originally thought to have come from europe in wooden sailing ships.
    The inhabitants of the continent, predominantly dark skinned people with brown eyes, will see the historically short event as an interesting curiosity.

  9. C@tmomma says:
    Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 6:33 pm

    nath @ #1005 Thursday, February 9th, 2023 – 6:26 pm

    C@tmomma says:
    Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 6:16 pm

    This is one nath would approve of:

    HMAS The Stooges
    _______________
    Permission to come aboard Captain?

    Do you wanna be my dog?
    _____
    I’m up for anything once.

  10. Did a quick google and there’s some interesting stuff.

    Doesn’t seem to be any references to Polynesian DNA amongst Australian FN people (which you’d expect there to be).

    There is, apparently, very ancient DNA links with FN people and South America.

    Curiously, this is attributed to a migration from Siberia, which seems counter intuitive.

  11. nath says:
    Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 6:36 pm

    C@tmomma says:
    Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 6:33 pm

    nath @ #1005 Thursday, February 9th, 2023 – 6:26 pm

    C@tmomma says:
    Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 6:16 pm

    This is one nath would approve of:

    HMAS The Stooges
    _______________
    Permission to come aboard Captain?

    Do you wanna be my dog?
    _____
    I’m up for anything once.
    _________________________________________

    You are brave Nath, those are famous last words, right up there with Hold my Beer and the ever classic… Watch This!!

  12. Frydenberg has said no to contesting Aston, so do the Libs try and draft Katie Allen, or god forbid Peta Credlin?
    As the Labor candidate in the last federal election got a rather big swing to her, I would assume she will run again in the byelection.
    Dutton would have to campaign, and we know how disliked he is in Melbourne.

  13. zoomster: “(‘Human lineage’ means a possible ancestor of humans….)”

    No it doesn’t.

    Let’s ask ChatGPT, shall we? “Was java man a human?”

    Java Man is a name given to early human fossils found on the island of Java in Indonesia. The fossils were discovered by Eugene Dubois in the late 19th century and were later dated to be between 1.8 million and 1.2 million years old.

    Java Man is considered to be a species of early human known as Homo erectus, which is thought to be a direct ancestor of modern humans. Java Man is considered to be one of the first human species to have left Africa and colonized other parts of the world.

    So, in conclusion, Java Man was not a modern human, but an early human species.

    Beeswax: ” Han dynasty artifacts dug up near Glenelg”

    The terracotta warriors of Glenelg has a nice ring to it.

  14. Submarines

    I’m sure a submarine named Hunters and Collectors would play the lyric from Where Do You Go that says “I’d like to see damn the torpedoes”.

  15. P1: We cant have that. That would make Adelaide known. Nath wont approve of that. Best put them back in the hole we found them

  16. P1

    Homo erectus not homo sapiens.

    We’re homo sapiens sapiens.

    Different species.

    (Paleoanthropologists will also dispute whether hominids like Java man are human ancestors, or simply relatives…)

  17. None of Your Beeswax says:
    Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 6:57 pm

    P1: We cant have that. That would make Adelaide known. Nath wont approve of that
    ___________
    The Glenelg terracotta warriors must be surrendered to Victorian authorities or we will cut your water off.

  18. zoomster: “Homo erectus not homo sapiens. We’re homo sapiens sapiens.”

    The question was when humans occupied wherever. If you want to argue where the line got drawn between homo erectus and homo sapien, go for your life. We are both humans according to scientists after decades of wailing and gnashing of teeth about this exact subject, the discussion of which ended over 50 years ago. The argument was where humans were, and humans were in Indonesia between 500K and 2M years ago. And China FWIW. Unless you’re one of the goddidit mob.

  19. None of Your Beeswax says:
    Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 7:02 pm

    Nath:…Come get them… Victorian Army bogged down just ouside Narracorte with your conscripts dying like flys
    ______
    Bah! The Collingwood Army could take over S.A without any other support.

  20. zoomster says:
    Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 6:58 pm

    P1

    Homo erectus not homo sapiens.

    We’re homo sapiens sapiens.

    Different species.

    (Paleoanthropologists will also dispute whether hominids like Java man are human ancestors, or simply relatives…)
    ________________________________

    And there is the recently discovered Bogan Man found further east of the Java man usually on the island of Bali with conclusive Australian DNA connections

  21. Homo (from Latin homō ‘man’) is the genus that emerged in the (otherwise extinct) genus Australopithecus that encompasses the extant species Homo sapiens (modern humans), plus several extinct species classified as either ancestral to or closely related to modern humans (depending on the species), most notably H. erectus and H. neanderthalensis. The genus emerged with the appearance of H. habilis just over 2 million years ago

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo

  22. None of Your Beeswax says:
    Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 7:08 pm

    The Collingwood Army?….Not sure we have enough dentists to fix all those snaggletoothed and gummy bogans….
    ______
    All South Australian dentists will be forced to perform work on the Collingwood Army gratis.

    We have a potential 5th column in Port Adelaide. We will work with them if necessary, but they have to wear teal.

  23. “Pi says:
    Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 6:29 pm
    zoomster: Wikipedia authors are not necessarily scientists.

    https://www.britannica.com/topic/Java-man

    Java man, extinct hominin (member of the human lineage) known from fossil remains found on the island of Java, Indonesia. A skullcap and femur (thighbone) discovered by the Dutch anatomist and geologist Eugène Dubois in the early 1890s were the first known fossils of the species Homo erectus.”

    Pi, “member of the human lineage” is not the same as human. The differences between Homo sapiens and Homo erectus are enormous. That’s why they are classified as two different species.

  24. Lidia Thorpe won’t rule out launching new political party as she doubles down against voice to parliament: Former Greens senator says she will be guided by activists and elders as she pledges to champion the Blak sovereignty movement (Guardian)

  25. Alpo says:

    Pi, “member of the human lineage” is not the same as human. The differences between Homo sapiens and Homo erectus are enormous. That’s why they are classified as two different species
    _____________
    They are two species. But both species are human, from the Genus Homo. Get it?

  26. Once this Collingwood Army is routed at the Battle of Adelaide Oval where they were surrounded and slaughtered while devouring a bunch of sick and wounded crows, The Port Adelaide Army appeared on the horrizon like Blucher at Waterloo and put them to the sword and they swore never to think that Black and White was exclusively theirs and Newcastle, Wests, LA Raiders Juventus and other tribes agreed

  27. Alpo:”“member of the human lineage” is not the same as human”

    Don’t you know how an encyclopedia works?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo

    “The Latin noun homō (genitive hominis) means “human being” or “man” in the generic sense of “human being, mankind”.[d] The binomial name Homo sapiens was coined by Carl Linnaeus (1758).[e][15] Names for other species of the genus were introduced beginning in the second half of the 19th century (H. neanderthalensis 1864, H. erectus 1892). “

  28. None of Your Beeswax says:
    Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 7:17 pm

    Once this Collingwood Army is routed at the Battle of Adelaide Oval where they were surrounded and slaughtered while devouring a bunch of sick and wounded crows, The Port Adelaide Army appeared on the horrizon like Blucher at Waterloo and put them to the sword and they swore never to think that Black and White was exclusively theirs and Newcastle, Wests, LA Raiders Juventus and other tribes agreed
    ______
    An unlikely scenario. The Sack of Adelaide will be immortalized in murals all over Collingwood. A specially commissioned statue, The Dying Crow, will be displayed at the MCG.

  29. “Pi says:
    Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 7:17 pm
    Alpo:”“member of the human lineage” is not the same as human”

    Don’t you know how an encyclopedia works?”

    I don’t need any “encyclopedia”…. I have enough knowledge that I am happy to share with you, if you just sit down and read my posts. Two different species the same thing are not.

    What you can say, however, is that all human races are human. We are all members of the same species and the differences we see (e.g. skin colour) are biologically quite irrelevant.

  30. We have a potential 5th column in Port Adelaide. We will work with them if necessary, but they have to wear teal.

    Ohhhh……… they so hate you for that. A deep hate that emanates from the sub-cockle region.

  31. Holdenhillbilly @ #1045 Thursday, February 9th, 2023 – 7:13 pm

    Lidia Thorpe won’t rule out launching new political party as she doubles down against voice to parliament: Former Greens senator says she will be guided by activists and elders as she pledges to champion the Blak sovereignty movement (Guardian)

    I will donate to that party and so should all those who support reconciliation.

  32. Alpo says:
    Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 7:24 pm

    “Pi says:
    Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 7:17 pm
    Alpo:”“member of the human lineage” is not the same as human”

    Don’t you know how an encyclopedia works?”

    I don’t need any “encyclopedia”…. I have enough knowledge that I am happy to share with you, if you just sit down and read my posts.
    __________
    Alternative facts. Love it.

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