The West Australian had a poll on Tuesday from Painted Dog Research that put the exact question to be featured on the ballot paper at the Indigenous voice referendum found a 60-40 of its WA-only respondent base coming down in favour, with sharp distinctions by age (71-29 in favour among 18-to-34, 63-37 in favour among 35-to-54 and 53-47 against among 55-plus) and gender (69-31 for yes among women compared with 51-49 among men). The poll was conducted over the weekend from a sample of 1052,
The only other poll news unrelated to Aston that I have to hang a new open thread off is the regular Roy Morgan result, which has Labor’s two-party lead at 57-43 from primary votes of Labor 35.5%, Coalition 32% and Greens 13%. The poll was conducted last Monday to Sunday, so may have picked up static from the New South Wales election, with an unreported sample size.
Dandy Murray says:
Friday, March 31, 2023 at 10:36 am
“The antidote to Trumpism isn’t reverse-Trumpism, it is civility and due process.”
I don’t 100% agree with you on that Snappy, either on the tactics or the specific example.
A bit of mild mocking, as seen in that meme, is not reverse trumpism. It’s not fact-free projection; it’s not violent allusion; its not suggesting the constitution and laws of the USA need to be ignored.
It might be a bit triumphalist for your taste, but it is pitched towards Americans who, let’s say, have some cultural differences to us on that front.
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My strongest negative reaction was to the ‘Lock him up’ line.
I know its only humour, but it can lead down the road to same-sameism.
Melbourne mammoth
Trump nor DeSantis will be president in 2025
https://thenewdaily.com.au/life/science/environment/2023/03/30/climate-change-safeguard-alan-kohler/
I generally agree with Alan Kohler. But just a coincidence? Really? I might believe that if successive Australian governments had not used 2005 as a baseline to deliberately overstate their achievements and understate the extent of what they needed to do.
Labor’s choice of 43% as the target never made any kind of sense unless it was to align with this the IPCC target (which is from 2019, predating Labor’s choice of this number by quite a few years) in the minds of people who don’t pay attention to the details.
NSW votes:
ALP: 46
LNP: 32
IND: 9
GRN: 3
3 still to be called: Goulburn, Holsworthy, and Terrigal.
72.83% counted – SMH blog.
Cat
“ No. One. Is. Above. The. Law.”
Yes that is the key point. Give up that and you give up the rule of law.
zoomster says:
Friday, March 31, 2023 at 10:32 am
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Well, I agree with his conclusion.
The USA has been at some crazy places before.
They had a civil war and it ended slavery.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War
They got prohibition in the constitution.
The 18th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, prohibiting the “manufacture, sale, or transportation of intoxicating liquors for beverage purposes,” is ratified by the requisite number of states on January 16, 1919.
and removed.
The Eighteenth Amendment was repealed by the Twenty-first Amendment on December 5, 1933—it is the only amendment to be repealed. The Eighteenth Amendment was the product of decades of efforts by the temperance movement, which held that a ban on the sale of alcohol would ameliorate poverty and other societal problems.
Which makes you wonder about the 2nd amendment’s lifetime.
They have had McCarthyism
They have had Macathisam
The American Heritage Dictionary gives the definition of McCarthyism as: 1. The political practice of publicizing accusations of disloyalty or subversion with insufficient regard to evidence; and 2. The use of methods of investigation and accusation regarded as unfair, in order to suppress opposition.]
They have shot demonstrators shot.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings.
Trump really isn’t that significant.
Given a choice to headline this story as a man being indicted for a crime most of us would go to jail for or to perpetuate a myth that the world is against this man and all that message sends to the nutters…9Costello chooses…
I suspect Dutton is trying to have it both ways with the Voice, simultaneously blowing the Dog Whistle to the right and trying to say the Libs are undecided.
The fact is Howard, Abbott and Morrison blew the Dog Whistle so hard and long that the little ball probably fell out.
All Dutton is doing is blowing wind up his own clacker and appealing to the ever diminishing conservative core. We all know he is never going to support it.
Annika Smethurst reckons Dan Andrews’ secret China trip is among his most flagrant acts of arrogance.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/andrews-secret-china-trip-is-among-his-most-flagrant-acts-of-arrogance-20230330-p5cws3.html
We got here because of the endless crap from the Age, even more so from the herald, to the point both papers are irreverent.
We have got to a point where taking a couple of journalists ( and that is all Chine would allow) is equivalent to taking untrained dogs in a car. Not worth the risk and the political cost is close to nil.
An interesting discussion on a book of fiction.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQMvjBo0pO0
Anyone know the timeline of when they unseal the indictment and drop the hammer on trump.
As I have been saying for weeks now, Dutton can neither afford to back the Voice or oppose it. There are too many members of his party who are for it and who are against it. So he will not have the whole caucus on side. So his fence sitting is smart politics.
I know a lot people who follow politics are thinking that demands for more information are just away of delaying but probably a majority of the public have not fully become engaged with the process yet. And they do actually want more information. Not everyone goes home and reads the Uluru statement from the Heart as bedtime reading.
And the less detail given about the how the process is going to operate when there is a Voice, the more misinformation will be created. Rumours will start about there being hundreds of people being elected to the Voice and the members being paid MP salaries, that they will be able to say what your kids are taught in school, over mines being shutdown…. Think of it as being like Anti-vaxxers on steroids (ironic as that is given that would involve needles and artificial substances). It is not going to be an easy campaign, especially if the mining lobby back the No campaign.
Such an embarrassing analogy
“Effectively what is happening for low-paid wages is when you are trying to chase a bus and it is going faster than you can run. And as bills are coming in and people’s wages aren’t keeping pace and we want to make sure that those low-paid workers are able to catch up, effectively get them back onto the bus.”
If Labor wanted people to catch the bus, maybe they should have endorsed an increase in minimum wage ABOVE inflation. You can’t catch up to a bus by trying to run at the same speed as it. The analogy just emphasises how inadequate Labor’s views are.
Endorsing a position where 100% of productivity gains go to bosses is not how you get people back on the bus.
https://youtu.be/Rvh1SD7WFHQ
Some kind of answers here, south. 🙂
“As I have been saying for weeks now, Dutton can neither afford to back the Voice or oppose it. There are too many members of his party who are for it and who are against it. So he will not have the whole caucus on side. So his fence sitting is smart politics.”
Much easier to wait and take pot shots from both sides as the details emerge. Keep both factions focused on Labors ‘bad’ implementation.
Pink batts was a fantastically successful program and they won that war by a mile.
Cut paste repeat.
“Endorsing a position where 100% of productivity gains go to bosses is not how you get people back on the bus.”
The policy framework and thinking of trickle down is still firmly in place and being applied by both labor and the LNP.
The LNP is always worse but both head us in the same direction, and workers getting poorer so spivs can take a bigger clip for the billionaires is outcome the framework is designed to deliver.
At best you are fiddling at the margins if you don’t have a new framework to put into place, and they most definitely don’t.
This is excellent. and very tempting…
MelbourneMammoth @ #85 Friday, March 31st, 2023 – 9:32 am
No they won’t, there’s nothing for them to vote on for another ~20 months. The MAGA people won’t remember any of this in 20 months. They have the attention span of a goldfish.
“ Tristan Snell@TristanSnell.51m
BREAKING from CNN: 34 counts in Trump indictment.”
That must be a lot more than just the Stormy Daniels complaint.
Once people cease being afraid to testify I predict the floodgates will open on Trump‘s crooked life. Kudos to the brave few who spoke up first.
I note the same people here attack the Greens Party for being ‘blockers’ and also attack them for conceding to reach an outcome. Great logic.
‘Socrates says:
Friday, March 31, 2023 at 8:37 am
Whilst I support the Greens policy objectives, I really wish they would face reality more. The 43% target isn’t just a case of the perfect being the enemy of the good. The impossible is also the enemy of the possible.
When you look at how long it will take to make up for the decade of Liberal climate corruption, some targets are impossible.
For example, major grid upgrades are needed to get domestic power to net zero. Palaszczuk just put out a well developed plan to modify the QLD grid to support net zero GHG power that will also power Gladstone smelters etc. Yet that new grid will take ten years to build. Zero emissions before then is impossible.
Likewise with transport. At one million new light vehicles per year, it will take 20 years to replace our 20 million car fleet with EVs. Note this is twice as long as it takes to upgrade the grid, highlighting that the grid is not the constraint. In fact extra revenue from powering EVs will incentivise grid upgrades and renewable power generation.
All that means we should work towards net zero by 2050. Net zero by 2035 for Australia is a delusion.’
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The Greens are delusional, unwilling to face reality, and routinely demand the impossible.
Perhaps McKim should stop his delusions, face reality, and stop demanding the impossible of environmental groups who can see the the Greens are blockers whose first instinct is always to play politics.
Right wing governments will face difficulties because their default setting is assimilation, small government and with a side of racists.
There is no small government with the Liberal party. For all of John Howard’s talk of small government public servants blew out under his watch. Scott Morrison offered the crossbenchers a bribe of four electoral staff and four advisers. The ‘live within our means’ they trumpeted the debt exploded to be five times greater under their watch then Labor’s. And the Liberal politicians that sprout their belief in small government have spent most of their working life on the public purse and accept government jobs after parliament that are at tax payers expense. Their whole mantra is really quite hypocritical.
frednk @ #109 Friday, March 31st, 2023 – 11:06 am
She’s sounding a lot like Rita.
“I note the same people here attack the Greens Party for being ‘blockers’ and also attack them for conceding to reach an outcome. Great logic.”
Wouldn’t make the top 100 listicle of poll bludger debate sins.
Trump to make first court appearance Tuesday since being indicted: report
Former President Donald Trump is scheduled to make his first court appearance Tuesday in the Stormy Daniels hush money case, CNN’s Evan Perez reports.
Trump, who on Thursday became America’s first former president to be indicted, is scheduled to appear briefly before Judge Juan Merchan.
“Right now the plan is for him to be presented before a judge to hear what these charges are,” Perez said.
The secret service has been working with local law enforcement in New York in planning for the former president’s court appearance in New York.
“This is expected to be a very short thing, only 10 minutes,15 minutes. It’s very rudimentary and they expect, or they anticipate that they can get him in and then get him out before there’s any danger that is posed to the former president,” Perez said.
Victoria says:
Friday, March 31, 2023 at 9:44 am
I am looking forward to further indictments for the orange menace.
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Worst case of colour blocking, literally head to toe.
“Whilst I support the Greens policy objectives, I really wish they would face reality more. The 43% target isn’t just a case of the perfect being the enemy of the good. The impossible is also the enemy of the possible”
Reember Boerwar. If the Commonwealth government does nothing, existing state and territory announcements, plus forecast technology and private action amounts to a 41% reduction in emissions.
The Commonwealth’s target and ambition amounts to reducing emissions from 59 to 57.
To argue that 59->57 is ‘good’ and dismiss anything more as ‘perfect’ or ‘impossible’ is just nonsense.
This is a thought to add to the pile on, written about the one known felony charge plus 33 more unknown charges included in the indictment.
Having said that, the USA has some odd felony laws. I was managing a small team doing a damage assessment of buildings in a remote town in Nevada, and I had not known to advise them to NOT photograph the inside of any public building. When they photographed the inside of the post office life became very interesting. (There was a very large gold mine that was about to start up, and they didn’t want to be responsible for fixing existing cracks in the town’s plaster. My job was to minimise their risk. Things were nervous for a day or two, but it ended happily.)
EDIT: spelling
Snappy Tom:
Unfortunately, defect/defect is the Nash equilibrium in the prisoner’s dilemma.
Dutton is looking for reasons to oppose the Voice. What he wants to do is say “sorry, this has so many unknowns and potential unintended consequences that we can’t possibly support it”, probably quoting some ‘experts” hand-picked by the IPA and written up at length in Newscorp outlets. That way he’ll never have to say that he opposes the whole idea in principle, or even commit to one or other side.
Pfft. The worry isn’t danger to Trump. It’s what Trump will do/incite others to do in his name.
‘Politcal Nightwatchman says:
Friday, March 31, 2023 at 11:52 am
Right wing governments will face difficulties because their default setting is assimilation, small government and with a side of racists.
There is no small government with the Liberal party. For all of John Howard’s talk of small government public servants blew out under his watch. Scott Morrison offered the crossbenchers a bribe of four electoral staff and four advisers. The ‘live within our means’ they trumpeted the debt exploded to be five times greater under their watch then Labor’s. And the Liberal politicians that sprout their belief in small government have spent most of their working life on the public purse and accept government jobs after parliament that are at tax payers expense. Their whole mantra is really quite hypocritical.’
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Well, maybe small government when it comes to government support for Indigenouss-specific programs. The Abbott, Turnbull and Morrison cut those by hundreds of millions. May of the current problems can be sheeted home directly to those cuts.
https://twitter.com/ESPNAusNZ/status/1641371181143171072
Courage and leadership.
https://youtu.be/SODMQmWZxKo
B.S. Fairman:
A classic “Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt” campaign.
‘Voice Endeavour says:
Friday, March 31, 2023 at 12:02 pm
“Whilst I support the Greens policy objectives, I really wish they would face reality more. The 43% target isn’t just a case of the perfect being the enemy of the good. The impossible is also the enemy of the possible”
Reember Boerwar. If the Commonwealth government does nothing, existing state and territory announcements, plus forecast technology and private action amounts to a 41% reduction in emissions.
The Commonwealth’s target and ambition amounts to reducing emissions from 59 to 57.
To argue that 59->57 is ‘good’ and dismiss anything more as ‘perfect’ or ‘impossible’ is just nonsense.’
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The Greens have been playing this bastard game since before #2009. What is possible is what the electorate will support. Around 90% don’t support the Greens view. But that view and the Greens/Coalition wedge* has been enough to keep Labor out of office for a decade.
Blocker Bandt is blocking funding for the construction of 30,000 additional houses. 4,000 of those houses are specifically refuges for victims of political violence. I bet Blocker is safe and comfy in his inner urbs castle. The electorate shat on the Greens’ proposal to build a million houses in the 2022 election with 90% of the electorate giving it a miss. So that is not possible, eh.
43/30 is the minimum, BTW. The Greens have already done some serious damage to this target by joining with Dutton to seriously delay the legislation and also by fomenting the investment uncertainty that has been one of the major features of our CO2 emissions trajectory. But that is OK, isn’t it? Because the Greens loathe the private sector with a passion.
*When Bandt asks one of his stupid impossible questions (no, Adam, you purveyor of the Big Lie, the Commonwealth does not have the constitutional power to cap rents) guess who gets up and does a POO on Blocker’s behalf?
His little mate the Skulker.
Now he’s indicted, I’m expecting tRump to go feral and demand his supporters
destroy the joint (literally). This may be dangerous but it could also have
a good outcome as with the militarised police + army in the US his goons can quickly be
STOMPED ON and neutralised, AND then he himself gets locked up for life 😆
The militarised police and army in the US will probably only stomp on an indicted or convicted person if they were someone of color. They would probably give Trump less than a slap on the wrist. The lion’s share of them probably are MAGA supporters themselves who would otherwise be thugs (in an ideal world) headed for jail. Welcome to institutionalized racism par excellence.
davo @ #139 Friday, March 31st, 2023 – 12:39 pm
I just heard that the first time Trump called his supporters out, when he thought he would be indicted on the Tuesday, only a few turned up because they have seen what has happened to the Jan6 rioters.
Mavis says:
Friday, March 31, 2023 at 10:41 am
zoomster:
Friday, March 31, 2023 at 10:35 am
[‘MM
The justice system should never take this kind of consideration into account.
The same arguments have been used against charging Putin with war crimes.’]
Exactly.
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+1. By the way, my misinterpretation of your story about your friend at Kiama last night was quite marvellous in hindsight. 😆
Love to see Trump jailed even if its only a short time after his campaign about jailing Clinton.
Snappy Tomsays:
Friday, March 31, 2023 at 9:16 am
Confessions says:
Friday, March 31, 2023 at 5:14 am
Strange that men are less inclined to support the Voice compared with women. I wonder what’s going on there.
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Angry white male vote?
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Didn’t know 100% of black and brown men were voting yes.
But more seriously it’s a fascinating question that’s probably more complex than simply sticking a label on it.
Cheers, Cronus.
So Dotard is starting his ‘golden years’ of fighting a slew of civil and criminal charges, using every one of them to hustle more money for ‘defence funds’ and providing the column inches and clicks so beloved of the media.
The ‘porn star hush money’ charge is one which many think odd. What law could be being broken?
We have yet to see the 34 charges, and whether there are any more issues – there well could be. At the heart of the indictment as we know it are:
1. Dotard paid hush money – $130,000 – to a porn star he had sex with, and had it accounted for as ‘legal expenses’.
2. He declared the ‘legal expenses’ as an outgoing in his campaign finance returns, which is apparently in breach of the U.S. legislation for this.
3. It is suspected he also claimed the ‘legal expenses’ in his tax return.
For those who have followed the Dotard billions money machine, weaponising losses to gain subsequent financial advantage is the key to his grift.
Socrates says:
Friday, March 31, 2023 at 10:52 am
Cat
“ No. One. Is. Above. The. Law.”
Yes that is the key point. Give up that and you give up the rule of law.
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Agreed, otherwise instead of a rule it becomes a ‘general guideline of law’.
Love to see Trump jailed even if its only a short time after his campaign about jailing Clinton.
Donald Trump’s campaign against Hilary Clinton to ‘lock her up’, ended on the night in Trump’s 2016 presidential win.
“I’ve just received a call from Secretary Clinton. She congratulated us. It’s about us. On our victory, and I congratulated her and her family on a very, very hard-fought campaign.
I mean, she fought very hard. Hillary has worked very long and very hard over a long period of time, and we owe her a major debt of gratitude for her service to our country.”
https://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/09/politics/donald-trump-victory-speech/index.html
Rex Douglas says:
Friday, March 31, 2023 at 11:43 am
This is excellent. and very tempting…
Ford has announced that the top-selling and long awaited all-electric Mustang Mach-E will arrive in Australia by the end of 2023. It will be the first electric vehicle that Ford will be selling in the Australian market.
https://thedriven.io/2023/03/31/ford-to-bring-its-electric-mustang-mach-e-to-australia-in-2023/
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The more the merrier. Price wise it’s good competition for Tesla.
B.S. Fairman
And the less detail given about the how the process is going to operate when there is a Voice, the more misinformation will be created. Rumours will start about there being hundreds of people being elected to the Voice and the members being paid MP salaries.
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Someone on social media claimed because there are 300 tribes the voice would have 300 members and another 300 members to make it gender equal.
it wouldbe eazier if dutton allowed his mps a conchinse vote julian lecer is in a difficult position so is brag asbefore becoming shado aterney general lecer argued for years for some form of voice but now he is triying to protend thatthis is labors desition as albanese says this is what the statement called for this is not labors wording how ever it could be riskydont we all ready have indiginis leaders that advice the minister
It’s very sad to see the NO vote polling numbers dominated by boomers.