The Australian reports the latest Newspoll has Labor’s lead at 55-45, out from 54-46 three weeks ago, despite a two-point drop on the primary vote to 36%. The primary votes overall suggest the two-party movement can’t have amounted to much before rounding, with the Coalition down one to 34%, the Greens up one to 12% and One Nation up one to 7%. Anthony Albanese is steady on 52% approval and down one on disapproval to 41%, while Peter Dutton is down two on approval to 36% and steady on disapproval at 49%. Albanese’s lead on preferred prime minister widens from 52-32 to 54-29. The poll was conducted Wednesday to Saturday from a sample of 1570.
UPDATE: Newspoll also has a question on the Indigenous Voice which finds support down two since three weeks ago to 41% and opposition up one to 48%, with undecided up one to 11%.
“In 2015–2017, life expectancy at birth was estimated to be 71.6 years for Indigenous males and 75.6 years for Indigenous females. The gap between Indigenous and non-Indigenous Australians was estimated to be 8.6 years for males and 7.8 years for females”
But why is it that much for?
Is it due to personal lifestyle choices?
You can’t just blame the evil white man here
I hate smoking and alcohol abuse as much as anyone (In fact I would ban smoking altogether)
But in theory what is stopping an aboriginal person from living a similar lifestyle to a non indigenous Australian?
Maybe there needs to be better education in those communities about living a healthy lifestyle.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-20/outback-life-expectancy-queensland-abs-statistics/101638506
This article explains about how people in outback Queensland have a life expectancy of 5 years less than the rest of QLD. It goes on to explain that access to healthy food and doctors could be the main culprit.
And this is not race specific.
It could simply be a case that a lot of Aboriginal people live in rural areas like this with less doctors and access to healthy food, the same as white people who choose to live in these areas.
And it has nothing to do with the colour of their skin.
I for one am voting against the vote on the sole issue that we may accidentally have to listen to aboriginal people instead of just going into their land and doing whatever we want.
We need to make sure that there’s never another Juukan Gorge incident, and by that I mean we have to make sure those pesky whiner Aboriginals can get locked out of their sacred sites by Rio Tinto so they never even know that 40,000 year old sites of massive archaeological significance have been destroyed.
What happens if we vote Yes? First they came to stop Rio Tinto, then they stop people walking up Ayres Rock, then what? They get given control of Sydney and we have to start paying rent? Madness!
Poor Cameron: “how dare you you point out in detail why I’m an ignorant racist!”
Dispossess people from their land. Murder, rape and enslave them for centuries at a genocidal rate. Imprison them in reservations, forcing them to get licenses to leave their reservations.
https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&q=indigenous+exemption+certificate
Steal their children on an industrial scale. 15x more likely to be homeless or in prison. Then say “what’s the prob bro! Just get a job”.
bob: “They get given control ”
How do you get given what you own?
You people are demented.
Pi should we have an LGBT voice to Parliament? an Asian voice to parliament?
an Islamic voice to parliament? etc
Your fallacy is “slippery slope”.
https://www.scribbr.com/fallacies/slippery-slope-fallacy/
I am not a racist
You realise that your racism is a function of your ignorance, yes? You started stating that everyone is equal. I demonstrated the fallacious nature of that belief. And yet, even after learning of that fallacious belief, you simply chose to retain the fallacious belief and then change the goal posts.
Which means you were never interested in justifying your belief via logic. Your racism is at your core. If it wasn’t, you’d be capable of synthesising information that ran counter to your beliefs, and then change your opinion. The fact that you can’t change your opinion when you know it to be false means that there is something else that is driving it. Newsflash; That’s racism.
You’re more concerned with being called racist than you are of acting racist. That’s a problem. You should work on that.
But I am LGBT, and I demand my LGBT voice to parliament
Are you with me Pi? 😀
And what is it with you dmbfkrs and emojis?
The last time I looked the British didn’t declare Terra Nullius on the LGBT people of Australia.
Everyone is equal to the constitution/law.
Like there are racists out there, there are homophobes out there
The Law says we are equal
Thats what I meant
I don’t need a special LGBT voice to parliament just because there are bigots and homophobes in the country. I just wanted equal rights and I got that in 2017
Poor Cameron: “Everyone is equal to the constitution/law.”
“Terra nullius—meaning land belonging to no-one—was the legal concept used by the British government to justify the settlement of Australia.”
https://www.nla.gov.au/digital-classroom/senior-secondary/cook-and-pacific/cook-legend-and-legacy/challenging-terra
According to our constitution Australia was empty. So what you just said is a lie. According to our constitution you’re not allowed to just steal people’s stuff. You realise that this is the basis for Mabo, yes?
Which you would know if you weren’t an ignorant racist. And watch… after learning that you have yet another fallacious belief about being equal before the law, does it change your belief? No. It does not. Because your racism goes to your core.
I see that Pollbludger after dark hasn’t lost all of its wild and woolly ways.
Good night.
New thread.
“Let’s get the YES campaign going folks! It’s there to win it. Just needs a proper coordinated national campaign to counter the errant bullshit being spruiked by NO.”
Despite what the naysayers said, the sky didn’t fall when Australia voted for same-sex marriage.
The sky isn’t going to fall if Australia votes for the Voice; it’s the right thing to do.
Vote YES.
Political Nightwatchman @ 6.24pm
I thoroughly enjoyed your satirical piece regarding the value of Susssan Ley to the Liberal Party.
I would suggest that it is a worse look for CLP Opposition if she contested the next election as the Deputy Leader.
The Dawn Patrol is coming, but it’s going to be quite late.
Shogun @ #284 Monday, July 17th, 2023 – 10:12 pm
You are both correct. The ALP is a centre-left party with centre-right policies.
Interesting ( satirical) comment by Bob earlier on this morning, referring to stopping people from climbing Uluru.
My best mate’s brother has lived on land that adjoins the once busy road that leads to the base of wollumbin ( formerly Mt Warning) for over 30 years.
Speaking with him recently on a trip down there, he said that the changes he’d seen since he first came there have been wonderful ( in his own words)
His property adjoins what was once the public car park. He said most weekends before the closure he’d have trouble getting out of his gate due to car numbers. The noise, smell and litter and road damage was an ongoing issue. There were never enough Park Rangers to keep the area clean, and graffiti was evident right up to the summit.
He’d spend time most weeks cleaning up the car park and organising for rubbish to be taken away.
Now, the area is clean. Regrowth has taken place. Indigenous volunteers visit regularly and they are very happy with the decision to close the track to the public. The track is maintained for use by the indigenous visitors and Parks workers. He no longer needs to lock his gate on weekends.
His property, which had been partially cleared when he bought it, has been extensively replanted with local Indigenous species.
Calm has returned and with it the sense of awe and respect he first experienced when he first came.
He supports the Voice. He hopes that a Yes vote gives Indigenous people greater input into how their sacred sites are protected and preserved- the reverence for Country which he grew to understand and which he shares.
He is in his late 60s and has no family of his own, so he is planning to enable the the land to be returned to its original custodians after his passing, and hopefully reintegrated with the National Park.
Maybe, a greater emphasis in the Yes case on a core issue such as Country, which is a winner for all Australians, needs to be made.
“Nicholas
In Australia the Australian Labor Party (a centre-right party)
No – the Australian Labor Party is a centre-left party.
You must be a Green. The Greens believe they are centre left. The Greens are not centre-left. They are far-left.
You are both correct. The ALP is a centre-left party with centre-right policies.”
You can’t have a party which is centre-left but has centre-right policies. A party’s policies dictate where they fall on the political spectrum.
The ALP are not a centre-left or a centre-right party. They are a right wing party. They are the party of fossil fuels, baby boomer shareholders and negative gearers, tax cuts for the wealthy, entrenched inequality and against all social justice.
Here we go again- blah,blah about which Party is where on the political spectrum…
IMO, political parties are either progressive ( supporting change) or reactionary ( opposing change)
I would add that comment is a generalisation.
One can fairly say that Labor, while progressive on many aspects of societal policies, can be less than progressive on other policies. It’s strong links to the Unions which founded it makes decisions on certain policies, such as mining, somewhat problematical, whilst on others, links to public service and social support unions enhance the progressive side.
As for the Greens, putting aside degrees of support for them, one could fairly say they are a progressive party. However, if one looks at their opposition to Labors Housing iniative, for instance , because it doesn’t meet their approval, one could say they are less than progressive because they are stalling any progress on what is a difficult issue.
As for the Coalition , it could be said it is a reactionary almost completely. However, Duttons support for stronger control on gambling ads in the media could almost be read as progressive. That could be labelled as cynical , attention- seeking politics, but it does meet with general support for control over something that had got way out of hand.
Both Pauline and Katter seem to be not absolutely anti- Union, particularly Bob Katter. Maybe union bashing has gone out of favour. That is progressive thinking- unions aren’t all CFMEU- like the old union- basher ideology liked to make out.
OK. These are just a few points to support my thoughts. Let’s stop debating on who’s where on a straight line. Let’s concentrate on how the political parties in Australia meet our expectations of what a government of the People, for the people and by the people, should act and respond in challenging and difficult times.