The latest Resolve Strategic poll from the Age/Herald records no changes of consequence since the last such poll five weeks ago. Maintaining the pollster’s recent form as the strongest for Labor, it finds Labor down one on the primary vote to 39%, the Coalition steady on 30%, the Greens down one to 11% and One Nation steady on 6%. Based on preferences flows at the 2022 federal election, this would produce a two-party preferred of around 59-41 to Labor, compared with around 60-40 last time. Breakdowns for the three biggest states suggest Labor leads of around 58-42 in New South Wales, 63.5-36.5 in Victoria and 53.5-46.5 in Queensland.
Personal ratings find Anthony Albanese down slightly on both approval and disapproval, by two to 51% and one to 34%, while Peter Dutton is up three on approval to 31% and down one on disapproval to 47%. Preferred prime minister is little changed, with Albanese’s lead nudging from 53-22 to 51-21. The poll was conducted Wednesday to Saturday from a sample of 1610. If the pollster and its publisher maintain their recent pattern, it should followed over the next day or two by a Victorian state poll.
UPDATE: Further questions on the poll encompass attitudes to immigration, with the headline finding that 59% think the current rate too high, 25% about right and 3% too low.
Big difference between 7 billionnand 2.5 billion, might be a reason?
The press really do write some rubbish.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/commentisfree/2023/jul/19/commonwealth-games-2026-cancelled-daniel-andrews-why-victoria
“But more fundamentally than all that, though, is that the Ukrainian population itself overwhelmingly rejects a peace under Moscow’s rule, and instead overwhelmingly backs resistance for as long as they have the weapons to do so. Who is Corbyn to imply he knows better than they how they should respond to Russia’s violent invasion? Or to imply he cares more about their lives than does their own Government, which has most tellingly refused to ‘cut and run’ to the physical safety of exile?”
As I said Corbyn is a nobody, just the British press like to beat him up, and some crazies have an obsession with him that is very unhealthy.
However, every citizen of every country providing support has a right to an opinion on that support, and the default is we usually just don’t provide it.
If I was advising Ukraine leadership I’d point out to them how very lucky they are to get the support they get, and that they should be very careful not to do anything to dent the support such that it might stop the incredibly unusual support from flowing. I saw the attack on the British minister a week or so ago as very ill-advised, but they seem to have gotten away with it, without negative outcomes.
Shogun scribbled, “except when the local Trots mention it a hundred times a day.”
So writes one of the local social fascists.
RUSSIA SPITEFULLY STRIKES ODESSA GRAIN TERMINAL WITH MISSILES
“Attack on Odesa Oblast: Russians hit grain terminal, fire breaks out at storage points”
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/07/19/7411942/
Moscow actively wants millions around the world to starve to death, if the world won’t stand back and let them kill, rape, torture, abduct and loot Ukrainian men, women and children. This is proven by their missile strikes upon grain storage facilities in Odessa.
Hey Boar, if you are going to make this argument, “Corbyn sold out Britain on the altar of doctrinaire socialist rectitude. Not to worry, Corbyn did not starve any babies while pissing off enough of the electorate to give GB another five years of Tory catastrophe”
Then Milliband and Brown are just as guilty. However, right wing nut’s like you never acknowledge that. Don’t let the facts get in the way of your DLP inspired narrative. We know what you are, now we are just haggling over the price.
Rex ”Dolphins surfing alongside the QF competitors at JBay at the moment. So beautiful”
Always like to see dolphins.
What is QF and what/where is JBay?
I heard Raf interviewing the Monarchist League guy.
Almost laughing at the conspiracy theories. Benwell sounds old and weak
rednk says:
Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 6:08 pm
Big difference between 7 billionnand 2.5 billion, might be a reason?
The press really do write some rubbish.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/commentisfree/2023/jul/19/commonwealth-games-2026-cancelled-daniel-andrews-why-victoria
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Maybe
Media companies and hacks should release what it is costing taxpayers, for the media hacks to go overseas with ministers, election campaigns, and other government funding which the media receives
Will the media be open to that transparency
Steve777 @ #697 Wednesday, July 19th, 2023 – 6:15 pm
World Surf League quarter finals at Jeffreys Bay Sth Africa.
Stef Gilmour in the water now.
Sending weapons to other nations’ conflicts is nearly always a terrible idea. The claim that intervening militarily in the Ukraine now is more justified than intervening in Vietnam in the 1960s is not supported at all. Both situations involve a more powerful group (the Vietcong in Vietnam, Russia in Ukraine) aiming to impose an authoritarian regime on a less powerful group. The moral argument in favour of intervening only makes sense if the intervention would be brief and has a high chance of repelling the aggressor. It’s much more likely to be a quagmire that will only make things worse. Do the people who support Australia getting involved in this war think that the Vietnam War was successful for the nations that kept it going for over a decade?
WeWantPaul @ Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 6:09 pm:
“I saw the attack on the British minister a week or so ago as very ill-advised, but they seem to have gotten away with it, without negative outcomes.”
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WWP, I’d have called it more an irritated response to Ben Wallace’s own remark. I saw that Wallace’s boss, Prime Minister Sunak, put Wallace back in his place by reminding him of Kyiv’s many, many expressions of gratitude for the support Ukraine has received – especially towards Wallace’s own UK. I think it was a storm in a teacup that has completely blown over.
How many social housing units could be built with the money saved from this latest trip by Airbus Albo ..?
Re Frednk @6:08
”The most pressing question about Victoria’s cancellation of its Commonwealth Games is why the government judged hosting them to be a good idea in the first place – and why it got it so wrong”
Seems to be a perfectly reasonable question. From this distance, it looks like Dan Andrews’ first major slip-up of his premiership.
“Shogun scribbled, “except when the local Trots mention it a hundred times a day.”
So writes one of the local social fascists.”
I don’t really understand this trots labels, the way it is used it seems likely they have never even heard of Leon Trotsky, I am 100% sure there is no one on this board, even at their most extreme that would come anywhere near to Trotsky, and look the red koolaid label is pretty lazy, but at least it isn’t deeply idiotic, there is noone here Trotsky would consider worthy to wear even a variant of his name, and noone here who has ever expressed much of an inclination to any of his views:
“In addition to the happiness of being a fighter for the cause of socialism, fate gave me the happiness of being her husband. During the almost forty years of our life together she remained an inexhaustible source of love, magnanimity, and tenderness. She underwent great sufferings, especially in the last period of our lives. But I find some comfort in the fact that she also knew days of happiness. For forty-three years of my conscious life I have remained a revolutionist; for forty-two of them I have fought under the banner of Marxism. If I had to begin all over again I would of course try to avoid this or that mistake, but the main course of my life would remain unchanged. I shall die a proletarian revolutionist, a Marxist, a dialectical materialist, and, consequently, an irreconcilable atheist. My faith in the communist future of mankind is not less ardent, indeed it is firmer today, than it was in the days of my youth.”
L. Trotsky
27 February 1940
Nicholas says:
Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 6:21 pm
Sending weapons to other nations’ conflicts is nearly always a terrible idea.
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This is why I was against the United States sending weapons to Britain during the early years of WW2.
If Germany had defeated Britain early on, much less suffering would have occurred. Well, not to any one with blonde hair and blue eyes.
Rex Douglas says:
Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 6:25 pm
How many social housing units could be built with the money saved from this latest trip by Airbus Albo ..?
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Lol Rex Douglas
“WWP, I’d have called it more an irritated response to Ben Wallace’s own remark. I saw that Wallace’s boss, Prime Minister Sunak, put Wallace back in his place by reminding him of Kyiv’s many, many expressions of gratitude for the support Ukraine has received – especially towards Wallace’s own UK. I think it was a storm in a teacup that has completely blown over.”
I think I largely agree, but from their point of view the price of misjudging that kind of situation is pretty bloody dire, I’d be more careful than they are being is all I said.
Nicholas
Sending weapons to other nations’ conflicts is nearly always a terrible idea. The claim that intervening militarily in the Ukraine now is more justified than intervening in Vietnam in the 1960s is not supported at all
Fuck me dead.
Russia can walk over Ukraine because something something Vietnam 60 years ago.
This lily-livered sophistry is why Greens piss me off.
Much like “grouper”, using the word “trot” in a modern context is a great way for a person to demonstrate that they are unaware the Cold War ended over thirty years ago.
Reviewing what Trotsky wrote, I have very similar views of my partner. So I guess I am exactly the same as him.
nath
This is why I was against the United States sending weapons to Britain during the early years of WW2.
If Germany had defeated Britain early on, much less suffering would have occurred. Well, not to any one with blonde hair and blue eyes.
Confucius say: You fucking nailed it.
it seems most cansil culture is comming from conservative baning books in florider now over hear but still disantos despite musks backing is struggiling in us
Asha says:
Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 6:31 pm
Much like “grouper”, using the word “trot” in a modern context is a great way for a person to demonstrate that they are unaware the Cold War ended over thirty years ago.
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That’s no doubt true, but as short-hand for the Catholic Right, the term Grouper has a particular appeal.
Nicholas @ Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 6:21 pm:
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Oh, dear. Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in 2022 (in fact, also its annexation of Crimea and confection of separatism in Donbas from 2014) is a violation of international law, in that it involves an invasion of one sovereign country by its neighbour. The UN Secretary General himself said: “Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is a violation of its territorial integrity and of the Charter of the United Nations.” https://unsdg.un.org/latest/announcements/russias-invasion-ukraine-violation-un-charter-un-chief-tells-security-council . It is therefore entirely appropriate for the rest of the world to come to the military assistance of the invaded country, so that the concept of the peaceful coexistence of countries within internationally recognised boundaries can be upheld. Ukraine’s misfortune is that the country which has invaded their sovereign territory happens to be a nuclear power, and this has inhibited the rest of the world from directly coming to Ukraine’s aid militarily.
The case with Vietnam is completely different. There, a civil war broke out between competitors for government within a single sovereign state, and a foreign nuclear power (the US) intervened in this essentially internal matter on one side. I agree this was arguably inappropriate on the US’s part, and indisputably this US intervention had disastrous consequences for Vietnamese civilians on both sides.
WeWantPaul @ Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 6:29 pm:
[me]: “WWP, I’d have called it more an irritated response to Ben Wallace’s own remark. I saw that Wallace’s boss, Prime Minister Sunak, put Wallace back in his place by reminding him of Kyiv’s many, many expressions of gratitude for the support Ukraine has received – especially towards Wallace’s own UK. I think it was a storm in a teacup that has completely blown over.”
[WWP] “I think I largely agree, but from their point of view the price of misjudging that kind of situation is pretty bloody dire, I’d be more careful than they are being is all I said.”
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WWP, we seem to be in furious agreement here. Personally, if I was a Ukrainian adviser I’d be telling them to stroke the egos of as many US Senators and Reps as they can. Sometimes being the wrongfully invaded country isn’t enough to secure necessary aid. Ask the Palestinians.
“It is therefore entirely appropriate for the rest of the world to come to the military assistance of the invaded country, so that the concept of the peaceful coexistence of countries within internationally recognised boundaries can be upheld.”
Except it is a vague idea that is upheld much less frequently than it ignored completely by the rest of the global community.
On this principle the rest of the global community should have joined with Iraq to fight out the US, England and Australia. I’m pretty sure they didn’t.
It isn’t even ‘usually’.
The actual activation of this ‘law’ is not usually a thing. Ask Yemen. Ask Afghanistan in almost any decade of the last few centuries. I’m not even going to flag the obvious example where the USA threw the rule right into the trash and has left it there for many decades since.
“WWP, we seem to be in furious agreement here. Personally, if I was a Ukrainian adviser I’d be telling them to stroke the egos of as many US Senators and Reps as they can. Sometimes being the wrongfully invaded country isn’t enough to secure necessary aid. Ask the Palestinians.”
Yeah a trip to the swamp in Florida wouldn’t be the stupidest idea either.
Has C@t been on board today? I’ve popped in a few times and haven’t seen any sign of her.
Corbyn was an utterly hopeless opposition leader. He should have stood down well before the 2019 election, once it became clear that he was completely failing to make any progress against the May and then Johnson governments despite how much of a chaotic, squabbling joke they had become. And his present position on Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is – at best – shockingly naive.
None of that excuses the extent to which Starmer has dragged UK Labour to the right since becoming leader. Yes, Labour definitely needed to moderate it’s image after the 2019 disaster, but this is just on a whole other level. I have a hard time believing Labour needed to essentially go “moderate conservative” to be competitive in the next election – surely a centre-left social democratic party led by a well-spoken and competent leader could wrest government from the absolute clownshow that is the present-day Conservatives. It would have been one thing if Starmer had been upfront from about his intentions (say what you want about Blair, but he was honest from the beginning about the direction he wanted to take the party), but this is a guy that ran for the Labour leadership specifically promising a raft of socialist policies.
Thank Dog we still have a Labor party here in Australia that – whatever misgivings and frustrations I might have with certain policy decisions taken by federal and state governments – actually believes in implementing progressive reform.
Nicholas’ analogy between Vietnam and Ukraine is courageous.
Whether the aggressor and the victim are separate sovereign entities or they exist within the same nation is an artificial difference that is completely irrelevant if you are making a MORAL argument for sending weapons to someone else’s conflict. If the United States had not intervened militarily in Vietnam in the 1960s, the Vietcong would have taken over quickly, with several million fewer Vietnamese fatalities than what actually happened because of the war’s prolonged nature. Plus the Khmer Rouge probably wouldn’t have come to power in neighbouring Cambodia, so about two million Cambodian deaths would have been avoided also. So how exactly was it morally justified of the United States to intervene militarily in Vietnam?
The hawkish individuals who justify sending weapons to Ukraine sound like Richard Nixon ranting about “peace with honour” while killing hundreds of thousands of people.
Nath:
Don’t forget the US getting needlessly involved in the Pacific theatre, all for some backwater British colony south of Indonesia that probably would have been just as happy under Japanese rule.
The doctrinaire and rather vicious personal attacks on Starmer are worthy of four legs good tagging. Corbyn is relevant because the same peeps who extol the virtues of St Corbyn are the ones consigning Satan Starmer to hell.
If only Zelenskiy would adopt MMT, UBI and Peace Studies 101 all would be well.
Japan was never a serious threat. All we needed to do was deploy Hello Kitty merchandise into the forward areas and their army would have been too distracted to fight.
Fresh data from the UK, New Zealand and Canada confirms slowing inflation in advanced economies, but economists remain concerned cost pressures are persisting in prices for services and will elude central banks’ inflation targets.
In Canada, annual inflation fell to a 27-month low of 2.8 per cent in June after 10 interest rate increases in 18 months, putting it within the Bank of Canada’s 1 to 3 per cent target band for the first time since March 2021. Its objective is broadly regarded as the 2 per cent mid-point of that range.
But its preferred three‑month core inflation measure “remained too high” at 3.8 per cent, according to Commonwealth Bank, which warned: “The lack of progress in pulling down underlying inflation raises the risk of further BoC rate hikes in coming months.”
Canadian inflation started easing in mid-2022, sooner than in other economies, largely reflecting the decline in petrol prices at the pump and improving supply chain bottlenecks. Canada is an oil exporter.
Annual inflation in New Zealand slowed to 6 per cent from 6.7 per cent at the end of March, slightly below official forecasts but above economist expectations. The Reserve Bank of New Zealand has increased the official cash rate to 5.5 per cent since October 2021. But services inflation remains high, easing from 6.8 per cent to 6.6 per cent, well above expectations from the RBNZ for a fall to 6.3 per cent.
“A key reason was that housing CPI rose by 1.2 per cent, quarter-on-quarter, up from 1 per cent in [the first quarter], driven by higher maintenance costs and utilities prices,” said Abhijit Surya, an economist at Capital Economics. “Firm price rises in healthcare and recreational services also boosted domestically sourced price pressures. Reflecting these factors, measures of underlying inflation remained uncomfortably high.”
https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.afr.com%2Fmarkets%2Fcurrencies%2Finflation-pulse-slows-sending-yields-tumbling-20230719-p5dpfp
Nicholas @ Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 6:49 pm:
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Nicholas, you mustn’t have read my post if you think I was saying the US was justified in militarily intervening in Vietnam.
More pertinently, Russia’s threat to the principle of the peaceful coexistence of nations makes it the rest of the world’s conflict and not just Ukraine’s. Russia’s crimes against humanity make resistance to its invasion the rest of the world’s conflict and not just Ukraine’s. Russia’s threat to a sizeable portion of the world’s food supply makes this the rest of the world’s conflict and not just Ukraine’s.
You are forgetting that nuclear-armed Russia chose, all by itself, to enlarge its territory violently by militarily invading its smaller and less powerful neighbour. If you are fine with the rest of the world letting that stand without response, I am completely opposed to you.
Was the US justified in intervening in Korea? South Koreans would say yes.
Nicholas at 6.21 pm and Enough Already at 6.37 pm
The American war in Vietnam (I think that’s its name in Vietnam) originated as an attempt to prop up French colonial rule against a national liberation movement led by Ho Chi Minh.
Putin’s war in Ukraine has many origins, and in that sense it has a more complex background story than the American war in Vietnam. But it is essentially a colonial war of occupation, much like the French and the US in Vietnam, or Israel (supported by the US) in the occupied territories of Palestine.
So if there is a comparison to be drawn, it is exactly the opposite of that which you have claimed.
More broadly, there are two problems of principle with your strange proposition. First, it is based on nationalism or isolationism, rather than internationalism or cosmopolitanism, which have much more progressive aspects than either nationalism or isolationism.
Second, the logic of your argument resembles the false motto: “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”, an obviously absurd proposition. Historically, both during the Cold War and since, NATO has had many major failings, but providing weapons to help Ukraine defend itself is not one of them.
It is another question entirely as to whether Ukraine would be in a better position historically if the negotiations about ending the war that occurred briefly in March 2022 had led to an agreement, which would have included a Russian withdrawal from territories occupied since 23 February 2022.
Arguably, Ukraine would be better off today, and possibly in the future, if that scenario occurred. It did not, partly because Boris Johnson opposed it, but possibly also because Putin did not support it, in which case it was not a realistic possibility. Historians will determine that when more facts are clear.
nath at 7.05 pm
The Korean war was complex. It involved two different phases: 1) the US/UN response to the North’s invasion of the South; and 2) the US attempt to occupy the North, which provoked a massive Chinese response. In between the two phases there was a sensible Indian proposal for ending the war, in more or less the same military position as the war eventually ended after much further bloodshed.
It is because the US refused to consider the Indian proposal that the Korean war is known among serious diplomatic historians in the US as the “wrong war”, the title of a book by Rosemary Foot. See:
https://www.google.com.au/books/edition/The_Wrong_War/J-GZDwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&printsec=frontcover
ABC TV Vic news/Richard Willingham going the full number anti -Dan Andrews again this evening. Major item lasting 7 minutes.
Rex Douglassays:
Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 6:25 pm
How many social housing units could be built with the money saved from this latest trip by Airbus Albo ..?
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How many social housing units could have been built with the money that has already been spent on the Commonwealth Games.
How many social housing units could be built with the money it going to cost us to get out of hosting the Commonwealth Games.
Give us your best guess.
I live in NSW but it seems like I read about a terrible crash on the Bruce Highway every second week.
Clearly the U.S was wrong to try to occupy N. Korea. I learnt that in the early 80s watching M.A.S.H
NZ Commonwealth games committee ruled out staging the games.
With Sunak not at all keen to host again, where next to Commonwealth games?
If King Charles and whoever the current English Prime Minister is wants to fund a Commonwealth Games to show off monarchy and their dead empire they can pay for it.
Dr Johnsays:
Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 7:12 pm
ABC TV Vic news/Richard Willingham going the full number anti -Dan Andrews again this evening. Major item lasting 7 minutes.
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It doesn’t seem to be getting through to you Dr John.
It is one of the biggest cock ups this state has ever seen.
Of course it is going to get massive news coverage.
Which was just another life lesson from Hawkeye and Hot Lips Houlihan.
Bystander
C@t hasn’t been around today
[‘My faith in the communist future of mankind is not less ardent, indeed it is firmer today, than it was in the days of my youth.”]
That hasn’t really worked. Trust in those with an extreme ideological bent is almost totally misplaced. The only political system that nearly works is where the Fourth Estate is unfettered, and where it’s not led by the former spouse of dear Jerry Hall. Posted a number of times before but I still love it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yPH0mCQagY