We should be due for the monthly Resolve Strategic poll next week, followed shortly by a New South Wales state result, and there’s no telling when something might pop up on the Indigenous Voice front. For the time being, there is the following news to relate:
• Two reports on RedBridge Group polls in the News Corp papers today, one showing the Indigenous Voice headed for a 61-39 defeat nationally after the exclusion of 15% persistently undecided, the other putting the LNP ahead 55-45 on state voting intention in Queensland. Primary votes in the latter case were LNP 41%, Labor 26% and Greens 14% (UPDATE: Further detail from the ABC). The former poll was conducted at some point following Anthony Albanese’s announcement of the October 14 date the Thursday before last, the latter was conducted August 26 to September 6 from a sample of 2012.
• New South Wales Liberal Senator Marise Payne has announced she will retire from parliament on September 30. Two names are dominating speculation about the vacancy: Nyunggai Warren Mundine, presently enjoying an elevated profile as a public face of the Indigenous Voice no campaign, and Andrew Constance, former state government minister and narrowly unsuccessful candidate for Gilmore at the May 2022 election. Liberal sources said Mundine would enjoy strong support from conservatives and Alex Hawke’s centre right, and would “even peel off moderate voices”. The Australian further reports Catholic Schools NSW chief executive Dallas McInerney could again be in a preselection mix, although some doubted he was “a realistic candidate, particularly given his affiliation to the ‘imploded’ Perrottet/Tudehope right faction”. Further possibilities named by the Sydney Morning Herald are “former RSL head James Brown and Jess Collins”.
• Liberal sources cited by Alexi Demetriadi of The Australian say it is now considered unlikely that Scott Morrison will vacate his seat of Cook before the next election. Cook is a notable exclusion from the list of seats where the New South Wales Liberals are proceeding to preselection, together with Mackellar, where it is speculated that the way is being left open for an attempted comeback by Jason Falinski. An imminent preselection would present an obstacle to Falinksi given his present role as state party president.
• Matthew Denholm of The Australian reports Clarence mayor Brendan Blomeley and Hobart alderman Simon Behrakis will seek preselection for the two winnable positions on the Tasmanian Liberal Senate ticket. This involves challenging incumbents Richard Colbeck and Claire Chandler, though Behrakis “is understood to be content with the No. 3 spot, should party preselectors prefer to favour the two incumbents”. Both prospective challengers are conservatives, but Behrakis is associated with Senator Jonathan Duniam and Blomeley with rival powerbroker Eric Abetz. The issue will be decided by the party’s 67-member preselection committee on November 25.
• Shane Wright of the Age/Herald made the case last week for an enlarged parliament, a subject that appears likely to be addressed when the Joint Standing Committee on Electoral Matters completes its two-stage inquiry into the 2022 election. A motion carried at Labor’s recent national conference calling for the Australian Capital Territory and Northern Territory to go from two Senators to six prompted opposition Senate leader Simon Birmingham to call for the government to rule out changes to the parliament or electoral system before the next election.
there is also a anti lgbt shoppies back nsw mp whoe should retire there eazily the most right wing nsw mp apart from maybi one nation they even joind the anti trans genderattacks
Knights live to fight another week!! 🙂
An update on Assange’s predicament:
https://www.sydneycriminallawyers.com.au/blog/aussie-support-for-assange-skyrockets-but-us-ambassadors-claims-of-a-plea-deal-may-be-untrue/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=week-37
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Well done the Knights – ten in a row & a very entertaining match.
nath says:
Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 5:58 am
When I was a teenager I too pretended to like Victoria Bitter. Sometimes I even kept it down.
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Yes I have the same memory but now I consider it is one of our best beers.
An acquired taste so to speak.
Herald Sun 10/09
So the Voice is stone dead, and there’s nothing left in Albanese’s tank except tainted money from the corporates to buy more of the ads few believe and many now resent.
In fact, voters now hate such nagging and bullying so much that the pro-Voice AFL decided not to push the scheme at its grand final.
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Bolt going in for the kill.
By the way, the AFL was right to cancel.
Imagine if 100,000 people started booing during the pro Voice segment. Would have been a terrible look and the controversy would have overshadowed the game.
Gill has read the room correctly.
Blot with some classic spin for his groupies.
Ramblersays:
Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 4:30 pm
Regarding compulsory voting. There is usually at least one idiot at a polling booth that insists on throwing their ballot paper in the bin rather than stick it in the ballot box. Just ensures that late at night when the polling staff just want to go home they have to do recount of the ballot papers in an attempt to get them to balance.
And from many years observation of counts, you can expect one penis for every 1,000 votes lodged at that booth.
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Looks like we all have a moral duty to draw female anatomy on our ballot papers to balance the numbers…
98.6 @ #553 Sunday, September 10th, 2023 – 7:08 pm
VB is poison. Something in it sends some people mad.
Not sure how Collingwood can win the flag, given their captain is a Targaryan.
During nights out during my poor student days, I’d often switch to VB as the night wore on so I could stretch out my available cash a little more. Even while drunk off of my ass, I still found it a struggle. Awful stuff.
XXXX, on the other hand, I don’t mind at all.
RE: Val Holmes
Why are celebrities and sportsmen so often pictured with small bags containing an unknown white power or lines of the same yet it’s never cocaine of course they cry.
“Brazilian President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva has said he intends to bring Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy and Russian President Vladimir Putin “to the negotiating table” at the UN General Assembly…
… Lula reiterated that Brazil “will not be drawn into a war” but intends to be present at peace talks.”
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/09/10/7419170/
Brazil’s Lula has done nothing – absolutely nothing – to help Ukraine resist Russia’s illegal, unjustified and devastating attack upon Ukraine and its people, and he expects Ukrainians to pay any attention at all to what he says about how they should capitulate to that invasion? Tell him to go and fuck himself! What the fuck business is it of his whether or how Ukraine tries to defend itself from a genocidal invasion?
Themunz says:
Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 3:01 pm
Family life in the Land of Trump.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/interactive/2023/jan-6-reffitt-family-repair-relationships?itid=hp-top-table-main_p001_f003
How many times is this story is being repeated throughout the US?
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Themunz
Thanks, a very human and thought-provoking story.
Oakeshott Country says:
Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 4:05 pm
We don’t have compulsory voting but it is an offence to, without good reason, not attend a polling booth or in other ways have your name crossed off the electoral roll, and be given a ballot paper.
You can then throw the paper away, put in an empty ballot or deliberately cast an informal vote.
Taking part in an election is a civic responsibility as well as a right.
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A point that I made often to my US friends and colleagues was that America was a country of rights but not responsibilities. On reflection almost all agreed.
The age of fire, water, and ever-shrinking ice
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/9/9/2192208/-The-age-of-fire-water-and-ever-shrinking-ice
“2023 has been a year for the record books when it comes to temperatures, fires, rainfall, and floods. It’s also been a year in which the temperature of the oceans has soared, ice at the poles has diminished, and record-size hailstones have fallen during severe storms. The U.S. has already seen at least 15 severe weather events, generating costs of over $1 billion each—and we’re only halfway through a hurricane season that’s predicted to be “above normal.”
In so many ways, 2023 has been the hottest, wettest, stormiest, and most unpredictable year most people have ever experienced. It could also be, terrifyingly enough, the coolest and most stable year any of us will know in the future.
This is the year the climate crisis went from something that many people ignored, to a reality that saw some of those people taking to boats to escape flooding, or driving in caravans through massive fires. And way too often, in the United States and around the world, people have been unable to escape these climate-driven disasters in a year that has already been terrible—and is far from over.
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US had 15 severe weather events this year till now. Even after all these events many people don’t believe Climate change in US and the support for Trump is growing atleast among Republicans because he personifies a Climate change denier.
‘Swasti Astu Vishwa’: PM Modi wraps up G20 meet with prayer for peace amid Ukraine war
Prime Minister Narendra Modi concluded the G20 Summit on Sunday, with the slogan “Swasti Astu Vishwa’ — which roughly translates to “let there be peace in the world”. He handed over the gavel of the G20 presidency to Brazil as he marked the end of the Summit.
https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/swati-astu-vishwa-pm-wraps-up-g20-meet-with-prayer-for-peace-amid-ukraine-war-2433688-2023-09-10
Continuing From my post @7:53 pm
Since 1980, the U.S. has run up a tab of $2.59 trillion to address the damages caused by climate disasters. In 2022 alone, the bill ran to $165 billion, making it nearly three times as costly as the average year over the past four decades. That’s because the effects of the climate crisis are constantly compounding. Record heat, record moisture, record fires, and record storms are all record costly. And only a fraction of that cost can be measured in dollars.
Taylormade says:
Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 7:10 pm
Herald Sun 10/09
So the Voice is stone dead, and there’s nothing left in Albanese’s tank except tainted money from the corporates to buy more of the ads few believe and many now resent.
In fact, voters now hate such nagging and bullying so much that the pro-Voice AFL decided not to push the scheme at its grand final.
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Bolt going in for the kill.
By the way, the AFL was right to cancel.
Imagine if 100,000 people started booing during the pro Voice segment. Would have been a terrible look and the controversy would have overshadowed the game.
Gill has read the room correctly.
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LOL Taylormade
Rex Douglas says:
Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 7:28 pm
Not sure how Collingwood can win the flag, given their captain is a Targaryan.
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I’ll pay that. 🙂
British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak has expressed “deep concern” about “Chinese interference in British parliamentary democracy” to his Chinese counterpart, following the revelation of the arrests of two men on espionage charges. Police have confirmed that the pair were arrested under the Official Secrets Act as The Sunday Times revealed one of the men, in his 20s, was a parliamentary researcher with links to several Conservatives MPs.He and another man in his 30s were arrested in March, the Metropolitan Police confirmed.
On Sunday morning, Downing Street announced Sunak had expressed “significant concerns” about Chinese interference to a senior official from China. A spokesperson said: “The prime minister met Premier Li Qiang and conveyed his significant concerns about Chinese interference in the UK’s parliamentary democracy”. The arrested man is alleged to have had links to Security Minister Tom Tugendhat and foreign affairs committee chairwoman Alicia Kearns, among other high profile figures.
He has been confirmed as a Briton who has previously worked on international politics, particularly on relations with Beijing.
You have my permission to stop doing this.
Just checked AOC’s age and she turns 35 in October next year so she is technically eligible to be President but only just.
Voluntary voting would, in my opinion, be a godsend to the Liberals as Labor voters are concentrated in the under 35s who tend to be more politically apathetic than the 60 plus cohort.
In NZ the opposition leading in the polls has proposed to introduce a “road pricing” policy to pay for road maintenance costs. This would be on a cents/km driven basis. It would include all vehicles, i.e. including EVs.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/132900566/all-vehicles-to-move-to-road-user-charges-under-national-including-evs
I am surprised the conservatives there are proposing this, but it is a sensible idea whose time has come. As more EVs hit the road petrol taxes will not be sufficient to pay for road maintenance.
This might be more difficult in Australia in rural areas, but could be combined with a reduction in petrol taxes to be revenue neutral.
Cronus_says:
Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 7:46 pm
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“A point that I made often to my US friends and colleagues was that America was a country of rights but not responsibilities. On reflection almost all agreed.”
A country of rights, irresponsibilities, writs and right wingers.
Holdenhillbilly says:
Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 7:03 am
A British parliamentary researcher linked to senior Tory MPs and ministers has been arrested on suspicion of SPYING for China. Alleged to be one of the most damaging breaches of security at Westminster in history.
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Spies are everywhere.
The one above is just one who they happened to catch.
I wanted to say I thought Noel Pearson’s interview today was sad to hear – especially when he said he couldn’t imagine The Australian population would reject the outstretched hand of friendship from the indigenous population. It was also pretty clear from what he was saying that it was something he had been working on for over a decade.
At the same time I listened to Michael Mansell on Radio National’s Law Report today – notwithstanding being a Uluru Statement signatory he is opposed to the Voice. One point he made which was interesting he said most of the issues which touch on indigenous people (like imprisonment rates) are State issues so the Voice has nothing to say about it. He is opposed to the Voice saying it won’t give indigenous people any new rights – it just makes white people feel “emotionally” good about themselves.
I actually think its going to be a joint failure – Albo+Dutton for various reasons. Brexit may be a reasonable comparator – “Dave” resigned because he campaigned on remain and lost. Boris and the Leavers were discredited because of various promises about the benefits of leaving , most of which have now been discredited.
‘Socrates says:
Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 8:35 pm
In NZ the opposition leading in the polls has proposed to introduce a “road pricing” policy to pay for road maintenance costs. This would be on a cents/km driven basis. It would include all vehicles, i.e. including EVs.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/132900566/all-vehicles-to-move-to-road-user-charges-under-national-including-evs
I am surprised the conservatives there are proposing this, but it is a sensible idea whose time has come. As more EVs hit the road petrol taxes will not be sufficient to pay for road maintenance.
This might be more difficult in Australia in rural areas, but could be combined with a reduction in petrol taxes to be revenue neutral.’
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I am not sure that increasing taxes on EVs and reducing them on ICE vehicle is an idea whose time has come.
has evan turned in to a liberal seems to be copying laz in running all the news corp anti voice lines its all the yes peoples fault not Duttons he is triying to confuse things how ever forgot to tell jacinta price abbout his stunt of calling for a second referendum if john hewson juley bishop turnbull back a voice it might get up it cant be to radicle if main stream liberals even back it
i have have heard of concern troling but if any one is woried about upseting nowel pearson they could vote for the voice can we trust a mp who aposed rudds apoligie and regularly weaponises demestic violents in indigines communites to apeel to raceists
Nicholas says:
Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 4:55 pm
I wouldn’t be pulling the receipts out if I were you. You were exceptionally wrong about pretty much everything in 2020 (the more recent election FYI.)
Ah yes, how dare I support a progressive. I should do the centrist thing and support candidates who don’t change anything for the better.
Bernie Sanders won the first three contests in the 2020 nomination process. It was only after centrist candidates dropped out and endorsed Biden than Biden was able to win. Had the Democratic party nominated Sanders they would be in a much stronger position today. It’s not surprising that corrupt corporate interests do everything in their power to stop a progressive from being nominated.
Bollocks. Biden was put on the path to a win by the black voters of North Carolina, where Biden won 49% of the vote and Sanders just under 20%. The support of the usually disenfranchised US racial, social and economic underclasses determined the Democratic Primaries. One of these days the faux left – the sham left – will decide to rally for the candidates of the underclasses. I doubt I will live to see it.
@Bob Lynch: “Voluntary voting would, in my opinion, be a godsend to the Liberals as Labor voters are concentrated in the under 35s who tend to be more politically apathetic than the 60 plus cohort.”
Yep. It’s not just apathy though – the cohort who are most likely to be working on weekends or be snowed under with education and family commitments are younger. Without compulsory voting, it’s too easy for them to just put making it to the polls into the too hard basket, or to be heavied by an employer to not take time out of the workday to go do something that’s no longer compulsory.
Whereas the retiree demographic has more time on its hands by definition.
so laz admitted theremain side were right and johnson told a bunch of liys to become pm johnson did not actualy believe in the no case leaving the european union hedeesided to back brecksitas he new if remain lost david cameron would have to resign and he was the front runner hewote two articles a pro and anti eu one
When I was young I used to fill my fridge with Southwark Bitter (SA). I did this so visitors wouldn’t drink my beer.
“I wanted to say I thought Noel Pearson’s interview today was sad to hear – especially when he said he couldn’t imagine The Australian population would reject the outstretched hand of friendship from the indigenous population. It was also pretty clear from what he was saying that it was something he had been working on for over a decade.
At the same time I listened to Michael Mansell on Radio National’s Law Report today – notwithstanding being a Uluru Statement signatory he is opposed to the Voice. One point he made which was interesting he said most of the issues which touch on indigenous people (like imprisonment rates) are State issues so the Voice has nothing to say about it. He is opposed to the Voice saying it won’t give indigenous people any new rights – it just makes white people feel “emotionally” good about themselves. ”
Once again, for every Indigenous voice in the media supporting the Voice there is one against it.
The only chance Yes still has is to prove that the Voice really is the desire of the bulk of Indigenous Australians.
Without that there isn’t even a case. They’ve taken this part of the case for granted but this is where No have dominated them for months and Yes seems blissfully unaware of the problem.
When Noel Pearson describes the No side as rejecting the hand of friendship from Indigenous Australians but voters are seeing Indigenous people across the political spectrum from Thorpe to Mansell to Mundine to Price say they don’t want the Voice themselves, Pearson’s version doesn’t resonate. This more than anything is what is fuelling the comfort people are having in switching from soft Yes to No – it’s the Indigenous No that’s giving them the permission.
Time and tide: tomorrow is the 22nd anniversary of an event that has greatly impacted the course of events since.
Noggin,
It was South Carolina, not North Carolina. Otherwise, perfectly correct.
Socrates @ #571 Sunday, September 10th, 2023 – 8:35 pm
NZ is small. Australia is BIG.
WB,
“You have my permission to stop doing this.”
Thank you for that.
Lars Von Trier @ #574 Sunday, September 10th, 2023 – 8:40 pm
See how much better it is when you explain yourself? People won’t misinterpret you. 🙂
If only the politicians, especially Thorpe, Price and Mundine, had stayed out of the debate, the referendum might have had a better chance of succeeding.
I think that’s what Anthony Albanese kind of wanted to do, but Peter Dutton and David Littleproud would have none of it. And we are where we are.
Former Senator Black sums up Albo’s culpability on the Voice in this extract of his article in the AFR :
But Albanese, cursed with the first-term hubris of a Labor prime minister, took personal charge of the referendum process. First by anointing his more radical, preferred wording option, which eventually wedged Dutton, and second by abandoning the chance of broader community engagement by rejecting a constitutional convention in favour of a hand-picked working group. And third, Albanese locked in his advisory constitutional experts with his working group, thereby excluding effective public involvement.
As Brennan lamented, no parliamentary committee was set up until April 4 this year. By that time, both the National and Liberal parties had committed themselves to a No vote.
At this point, any chance of a deal with the Coalition involving Indigenous recognition in the Constitution and a compromise on the power and composition of the Voice itself was lost.
The Prime Minister did what The Uluru Statement From the Heart requested. Simple. As. That.
If Whitefella John Black doesn’t like it, tough cheese.
Dutton will come out of all this in a worse position than Albo I believe. Being an opponent of the Voice pretty much guarantees that the Teal seats wont flip back to Liberal. Although I doubt they would have under his leadership anyway. Where is he going to make up ground?
nath @ #592 Sunday, September 10th, 2023 – 9:41 pm
He’s aiming for the Outer Western and SW Suburbs of Sydney and Melbourne. New Housing Estate Land.
nath I thought Dutton was finished once he lost the Aston by-election. I think the Voice ref probably gave him till Christmas.
There would have to be less than 5% chance of the Liberals winning the next election. The only real debate is does Labor get to a majority or minority government in the next election.
john black he was defeated from the senate in 1990 served for six years has turned in to a columnist
what about juley bishop fred chainey and turnbull backing the voice
C@tmomma says:
He’s aiming for the Outer Western and SW Suburbs of Sydney and Melbourne. New Housing Estate Land.
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Well it won’t work in Melbourne. There’s nothing there marginal at all.
yes but they were the same seats western sydney and south west plus melberne the outer suberbs that aparently andrews was in trouble in all the seats labor retained apart from nepean where the libs recruited a former foot baller in my seat of lindsay meliser mcgintosh is being chalinged buy conservative mark davies
Lars Von Trier says:
There would have to be less than 5% chance of the Liberals winning the next election. The only real debate is does Labor get to a majority or minority government in the next election.
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Definitely possible. Although I think that Dutton is toxic in Victoria and the Liberals could lose another 3 seats here. Menzies, Deakin and Casey. I mean if Aston turned against him…..
maybi if josh frydenberg kept up a publick profile he might of had a chance in cooyong but it seems he is a typical corear politician who stands for nothing and thinks he can disappear for three years come back i dont think the average australian will even remember who he was dutton and bermingham had cormann had higher profiles then him
if paul fletcher quit kean could have a go at bradfield but when hewson and black have a higher profile plus mundine and others if frydenberg was serous abbout a return to politics he would have kept up a profile like on sky news 2 gb 3 a w become a comintater i know he was a close friend to a lot of the pres galary but speers statement on insiders after election los that Frydenberg desered the liberal leadership because he has dreamed of this since he was 16 shows whiy the canbera buble egzists out of tuch coments like that he stands for nothing but because heis born to rule he should become leader