Essential Research’s fortnightly poll should be along in the small hours of Tuesday – anything else that comes along on the poll front this week (not counting the regular weekly Roy Morgan) will be news to me when it happens. Here’s what I have for the time being:
• Roy Morgan’s weekly result has Labor’s two-party lead in from 53-47 to 52.5-47.5, from primary votes of Labor 32% (down one-and-a-half), Coalition 37% (down half) and Greens 13.5% (up half). Since discovering Morgan’s results archive, I’ve been including its results in the BludgerTrack poll data page, but not in the poll aggregate itself.
• The West Australian had an Indigenous Voice poll from Painted Dog Research on Wednesday showing no leading in the state 61-39, after yes led 58-42 in June. The poll was conducted at some point earlier this month from a sample of 1285.
• The Australian reports Queensland Senator Gerard Rennick has sought legal advice after a Liberal National Party committee knocked back his challenge to his 131-128 preselection defeat in July at the hands of party treasurer Stuart Fraser. While it was acknowledged that Rennick backer Peter Dutton should have been allowed to cast a proxy vote, as Fraser supporters David Littleproud and Adrian Schrinner had been, and that two people allowed to vote were ineligible, it was determined that the anomalies would not have affected the result, and that Rennick missed his opportunity to raise objections at the meeting. Of the ineligible voters, The Australian reports that “one apparently voted for Rennick and the other says they didn’t vote in the deciding round”.
• The full results from a RedBridge Group poll showing state Labor trailing 55-45 in Queensland, which was covered here last week, can be viewed here.
• Occasional Poll Bludger contributor Adrian Beaumont has a piece on the October 14 election in New Zealand for The Conversation, where all indications are that Labour is facing defeat after two terms in government.
And that is the power of Murdoch.
Myself @5:03. Funny that a Google image search for “a working small modular reactor” yields lots of diagrams, plans, what look like artists impressions but no photographs.
Right, found one.
Small modular reactors being delivered by ute and trailer to happy customers…
@Steve777
Thats the gas version
Musk’s only goal with Twitter has been to ruin it as one of the, if not the, best site for left wing organising in the United States. Hence why he’s bought back all the nazis and cookers. Now he’s had his fun, time to end it entirely right as the next US election cycle starts.
Best wishes Grant Ex Libris.
the liberals want to fight on the voice because they have lind up with the energy cumpanies and the farmasee guild to triya nd provent cost of living relief
Hi there Grant, your bickering PB family collectively put aside their bickering to root for you, mate – as the Americans would say.
Best wishes!
I noted from a headline at “The Age” early morning that Albanese and Andrews had made an announcement re social housing in Carlton
But that headline and any reference had disappeared from all coverage by lunch time (the headline then re BnB’s and what Albanese said on this subject, so inferring a new tax)
No doubt Costello instructed to remove all coverage and instead find an attack line such as a new tax by Labor
What is interesting, and I covered off on this in an address only a few weeks ago, is that buildings (also) have a life span and the risk assessment should include referencing to the competition and alternate use (so Planning Laws and cost of reconfiguration)
This address was in context to “work from home” and the impact on commercial property The invitation came as a result of an address I gave on risk assessment and commercial property some number of years ago and remembered by certain industry players (and back then communications was one obvious risk factor and needed to be kept abreast of viz a viz the competition so what you saw atop buildings in the CBD)
So it was of interest to note that these high rise apartments (which are a feature of inner Melbourne) have passed their use by date, have been vacated as not fit for purpose and are now to be demolished and for reconfiguration (noting the holding cost including Insurance in the absence of rental income, plus demolition and construction costs ahead of an income stream)
And, in scanning here to prove to she who must be obeyed that a mere male can do 2 things at once, I noted a reference to MediaWatch, which should be compulsory viewing
The media proprietors take us as fools
Jordan S-J on Kitchen Cabinet tonight.
Britain will be one of the worst performing advanced economies this year and next, the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) has warned, with only Argentina performing worse over the period. The organisation said Britain’s growth this year would only outpace Germany and Argentina, while next year only Argentina will be below the UK.
The prediction comes amid a row between former Bank of England governor Mark Carney and Liz Truss over whether Britain is turning into Argentina. Mr Carney earlier this week accused Ms Truss of turning Britain into “Argentina on the Channel” with her mini-Budget. Ms Truss hit back and claimed that Mr Carney was himself responsible for Britain’s economic problems, given his role in “the 25-year economic consensus that has led to low growth across the Western world.”
C@t for you:
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I’ve had a few haters today, just because of a sign on my gate saying YES. I forgive them.
I am prejudiced on the matter but I did think the J S-J KK was close to being totally boring.
AC did not ask a single edgy question.
‘Holdenhillbilly says:
Tuesday, September 19, 2023 at 8:23 pm
Britain will be one of the worst performing advanced economies this year and next, the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) has warned, with only Argentina performing worse over the period. The organisation said Britain’s growth this year would only outpace Germany and Argentina, while next year only Argentina will be below the UK.
The prediction comes amid a row between former Bank of England governor Mark Carney and Liz Truss over whether Britain is turning into Argentina. Mr Carney earlier this week accused Ms Truss of turning Britain into “Argentina on the Channel” with her mini-Budget. Ms Truss hit back and claimed that Mr Carney was himself responsible for Britain’s economic problems, given his role in “the 25-year economic consensus that has led to low growth across the Western world.”’
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Thanks. High standard of economic debate!
The UK is still fifth on the world ladder, not bad for a smallish country with not a lot of natural resources, which is unable to feed itself or power itself, and a population of only 67 million. It does have a significant self-created problem. The world is increasingly divided into exclusive trade blocs and the UK is in none of them.
Boerwar @ #962 Tuesday, September 19th, 2023 – 8:03 pm
Can you please expand on what all those initials stand for?
Never mind. Noticed your previous comment. For anyone else confused:
J S-J = Jordan Steele-John
KK = Kitchen Cabinet
AC = Annabel Crabb
Jordan Steel-John
Kitchen Cabinet
Annabel Crabb
Lars at 7.38 pm
Yes, “you needed someone to be the face of it”. Whatever you or anybody says about the Yes campaign and its errors, the way Dutton has used Price as a prop for an utterly deceitful racist message reveals all.
As Professor Langton cryptically observed, all the arguments for No in the official booklet (and they are less crazy than the social media versions) are racist and/or stupid. For clarification, e.g. 1 and 10:
1. Far from being “the biggest change to our democracy in Australia’s history”, the proposed Voice would be a sensible, modest administrative reform. It would improve decision-making in Indigenous affairs by institutionalising a process of diverse community input into national Indigenous policy.
There are many other changes to Australian democracy that have been bigger. Even creating a local government in the ACT was a bigger change democratically. Likewise changing the system for voting in the Senate (which has been done several times since 1901). There are many other examples.
So it is stupid to pretend that the proposed Voice is the biggest such change. Why is it racist to do so? Because the standard used to judge a change designed to benefit Indigenous peoples is different from the standard used to judge other changes to Australian democracy. It is a discriminatory judgement.
10. The claim about other feasible ways of recognising Indigenous Australians in the Constitution is duplicitous, for several reasons. Two simple ones are: A) the LNP never tried to examine or consider such other ways in their 17 years in office since Howard’s dead parrot Preamble. Why not? See B).
B) the LNP never tried because, as well as not really believing in Indigenous constitutional recognition (there are currently two federal Lib MPs who so believe, Bridget Archer and Julian Leeser), all the LNP ever want for the blacks, whom most of them despise, is tokenism, such as Howard’s Preamble. Even the wordsmith of that attempt at tokenism, the poet Les Murray, thought its fate was justified. See:
‘Such symbolic recognition was voted down by an even bigger margin than the republic. Even its principal author, the poet Les Murray, joked “the Australian people had mercifully taken it out the back and shot it”.’
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/sep/17/indigenous-voice-to-parliament-referendum-australian-constitution (Julianne Schultz)
The LNP know there is no significant Indigenous support for a tokenistic referendum. Hence they know it is either the current proposed Voice that will go into the Constitution, or nothing. Barnaby Joyce was at least honest enough to say voting No = keeping the status quo = no recognition at all.
The argument for No at point 10 is racist, as well as deceitful, because it denies agency to Indigenous opinion in determining any feasible constitutional recognition of Indigenous peoples in Australia.
Finally Lars, perhaps you don’t follow AFL (clearly the most thuggish code of football available, where an assault occasioning actual bodily harm is considered justified, simply because the hoon who did it lacks the nous to know where he will land), but have you heard of Michael Long? A great Australian.
Electors, even in Qld, have a choice beween two faces: Michael Long or Jacinta Nampijinpa Price. One was famous in his professional sporting career, hard but fair. The other is a celebrity political puppet.
BW, AC for me makes for a Kitschen Cabinet.
When she is serious about being a political journo, she does well. Sometimes very well. But her efforts at these things and her jokey smiley cynicism elsewhere is just boring and irritating (imo). My dislike for her has led some friends to question if I have a problem with strong females. FFS. I am surrounded by strong females. Ask the cat, he knows.
I came to my conclusion on AC way back when she interviewed Penny Wong. Now there is a strong woman.
The UK economic problem are primarily due to the fact they voluntarily left the world’s largest free trade block (because they wanted to be able to buy food in imperial units?).
Brexit is a clear demonstration of why a referendum needs to be concise. The vote went down 52% in favour and 48% against with absolutely no details at all. It was just a vibe thing.
TK
Usually AC gets through to ask a few curly questions of the sort that don’t feature in standard pressers.
So I thought the Dutton KK had some good stuff in it because AC asked some curly ones and Dutton was probably a bit more honest than he intended to be.
IMO the problem with the J S-J KK were twofold. The first is that he is boring. The second is that AC did not ask any curly ones. At all.
Tummy rub.
Team Katich:
Agree completely on Crabbe.
Her doco on women in politics that aired a couple of years ago was brilliant. But Kitchen Cabinet and much of her other lighter commentary is just dreck.
Yes, Lars, haters gonna hate. I pity them for the way they allow themselves to be so easily led by the master manipulators and to act out.
“because they wanted to be able to buy food in imperial units?”
And to bring back bendy bananas (or get rid of them, I forget), and more importantly, get rid of those polish workers to Make England Great Again.
“The UK is still fifth on the world ladder, not bad for a smallish country with not a lot of natural resources”
London is not bad. The rest of the country has been swallowed up by the neocon hellscape of tory austerity.
Very good Dr Doolittle. Compare and contrast the oratory in the Voice debate with this:
https://speakola.com/political/bob-hawke-affirming-immigration-policy-1988
Dr Doolittlesays:
Finally Lars, perhaps you don’t follow AFL (clearly the most thuggish code of football available, where an assault occasioning actual bodily harm is considered justified, simply because the hoon who did it lacks the nous to know where he will land)
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Especially since the player he landed on veered right and into his path at the last moment and which the Tribunal considered essential to understanding the case.
It’s not funny for the critters that used to live on the beaches…
https://birdlife.org.au/discover-birds/birds-in-your-backyard/protecting-birds-on-the-beach/
There’s commentary? I thought it was just Annabelle Crabbe modelling 1950’s conservative American frocks?
B.S. Fairman at 8.56 pm
You said: “Brexit is a clear demonstration of why a referendum needs to be concise. The vote went down 52% in favour and 48% against with absolutely no details at all.”
You should read Barry Jones at:
https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/comment/topic/2023/09/16/the-voice-our-brexit-moment#mtr
He notes: ‘The questions in Australian referendums are almost invariably very short, only about principle. There are never any details about how a “Yes” will be implemented.’
What was different about Brexit? Simple: there were no details about how a No would be implemented.
Yet No won. Clearly, having any “details” is not in itself determinative of a referendum result, at all.
The whole hoo-hah about details is spurious. Dutton’s demand for “details” was always duplicitous.
The problem was not the duplicity. That was, as you say, predictable. The problem was, firstly, that the Yes campaign was slow to nail Dutton in January when his position was obvious. And, secondly, the lack of a catchy and convincing response that could be counter-posed to the duplicitous demand.
nath at 9.32 pm
“… especially since the player he landed on veered right and into his path at the last moment …”
The victim was in this case focused on kicking the footy, not at all on veering right, if it were possible.
I doubt you studied physics, or biology, or human movement successfully, let alone medicine (“do no harm”; assess risk etc). The man who committed the assault was as inept on field as ProMo Morrison.
Brexit was a demonstration of why you don’t put foundational issues up for a simple majority vote. The Voice might be too, if not for the higher bar it has to clear. That part at least is correct. If Brexit had any requirement more stringent than ‘50% + one’ it would have been defeated.
Dr Doolittlesays:
The victim was in this case focused on kicking the footy, not at all on veering right, if it were possible.
I doubt you studied physics, or biology, or human movement successfully, let alone medicine (“do no harm”; assess risk etc).
________________
The Tribunal accepted that Brayshaw veered right after kicking:
“The still images showing the ‘lanes’ in which the players were located at various relevant times, provide support for Maynard’s evidence that he did not expect Brayshaw to be where he ultimately saw him to be after he took his eyes off the ball and look down to see Brayshaw.”
The aftermath of Brexit is probably an example of what can happen when a majority of people vote for something without having a clear idea of the consequences.
Dr Doolittlesays:
I doubt you studied physics, or biology, or human movement successfully,
_________
That’s true. But Professor Cole, who is an expert in biomechanics and neuromuscular science supported Maynard’s position and the Tribunal found:
“We accept the evidence of Professor Cole as being consistent with a common sense viewing of the video evidence. Maynard had no time to form that intention.
The charge is dismissed.”
So stick that up your jumper sunshine.
nath at 10.25 pm
Have they ever heard of the precautionary principle at that tin-pot tribunal? Just as well they are not in charge of assessing, let alone responding to, serious dynamic events such as global warming, war etc.
Dr Doolittlesays:
Tuesday, September 19, 2023 at 10:37 pm
nath at 10.25 pm
Have they ever heard of the precautionary principle at that tin-pot tribunal?
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Some people do follow the precautionary principle. They never leave the house.
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davidwhsays:
Tuesday, September 19, 2023 at 10:24 pm
The aftermath of Brexit is probably an example of what can happen when a majority of people vote for something without having a clear idea of the consequences.
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Exactly.
Both Russia and England a dealing with end of empire. England was doing so well and fluff it at the last hurdle.
Brexit would have to go down in history as a massive own goal by the UK.
Farnaz Fassihi of The New York Times previews today’s meeting of the U.N. General Assembly in which the presidents/prime ministers of four of the five permanent Security Council members are absent.
This year’s gathering was planned with an eye to growing demands from the nations of the “global south,” an informal group of developing and underdeveloped countries. They have been frustrated by the world’s attention on the conflict in Ukraine while their crises have received minimal attention and funding, diplomats said.
Responding to those demands, the U.N. has scheduled discussions during the General Assembly on climate change, sovereign debt relief and ways to help struggling countries reach the U.N.’s development goals on prosperity, health, development, education and gender equality. […]
Analysts said world leaders skipping the U.N. risked weakening the institution when it was already struggling to remain relevant. The U.N.’s various agencies are still at the forefront of organizing and providing humanitarian aid. But as the war in Ukraine has raged and a head spinning series of military coups have overthrown governments from coast to coast in Africa, the U.N’s role as a negotiator and mediator has been marginalized for the most part
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/18/world/middleeast/united-nations-global-south-general-assembly.html
CNN Commentator Complains Media is Giving Trump a Free Pass
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/9/17/2193935/-CNN-Commentator-Complains-Media-is-Giving-Trump-a-Free-Pass
“A Fox News poll released last week found that 52% of Americans don’t believe that 77-year-old Donald Trump has the “mental soundness to serve” as president. That same poll showed that 61% of Americans have the same concern about President Joe Biden, who is 80. But while there is extensive media coverage about Biden’s age and gaffes, Trump, for the most part, gets a pass.
Yes, he noticed. And he goes on to list just some of the recent gaffes:
Last week while speaking at a rally, Trump froze for 40 seconds. (Followers claimed he was “overcome with emotion).
Then there was Trump’s “word salad” where he mixed up Obama and Biden, and thought we were about to fight World War II (as reported in Annieli’s diary Eat, Pray, Stan) See also Trump, who called Biden ‘cognitively impaired,’ mocked for saying the president would lead the US into ‘World War II’ in a gaffe-strewn speech from the Insider.
And of course, Trump’s continuing claims that he won the 2020 election.”
Grant,
I have only just read of your predicament.
The only advice I can give is always have a support person, e.g. union rep if in a union, in any meeting. Never go into a meeting alone. Get an employment dispute lawyer if needs be.
Make notes of all meetings, calls, conversations.
Copy everything.
Diarise everything.
Collect everything that shows you are competent at your job.
Don’t get angry, get determined.
Read up on HR policy and practises and your hiring conditions and job description etc.
You are entitled to Natural Justice, and fair treatment.
HR is not automatically your friend.
Get medical records of your emotional harm, if it has come to that. See your doctor. Also seek a few sessions with a psychologist, there are Medicare rebates with GP referral, to deal with these emotions. You need a clear head for this.
Also if you need time to prepare for a meeting, I believe you can ask for this.
Stay strong and focussed.
New thread.
rthere is an interesting saturday papper report where Brandis warns asio abbout pezzulo claiming it was him that pushed for home affairs department plus pezzulo was duttons spokesman with his drums of war speech forshadowing duttons later retorick we need to prepaire for a war with china