Essential Research 2PP+: Labor 50, Coalition 45 (open thread)

Essential Research spices up an uneventful set of voting intention numbers with a finding that nearly one in ten respondents choose the red pill.

The fortnightly Essential Research poll gives Labor its best result on voting intention in two months, their primary vote up two to 33%, the Coalition steady on 32%, the Greens up one to 14% and One Nation down two to 6%, with the undecided component down one to 5%. Their lead on the 2PP+ measure is out from 49-45 to 50-45. The poll was conducted Wednesday to Sunday from a sample of 1125.

Also featured are questions on COVID-19, including a finding that 52% consider Australia well prepared for future pandemics compared with 38% for not well prepared, and an unexpected foray on the “nature of reality”, which finds precisely equal proportions of Coalition, Labor and Greens voters alert to the fact that we are “living in a simulation”. The 301 Victorian respondents were asked to rate Daniel Andrews’ contribution to Victoria, with 37% opting for very good or quite good compared with 40% for very poor or quite poor.

Author: William Bowe

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, has existed in one form or another since 2004, and is one of the most heavily trafficked websites on Australian politics.

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  1. Jacinta Price and Peter Dutton have found a new bone to pick at, even though the problems occurred under their watch in government):

    A row over federal spending is clouding the final phase of the referendum on the Indigenous Voice to parliament, with No campaigners demanding an audit of the money spent on First Australians and a former federal minister backing the call.

    Opposition Leader Peter Dutton linked the spending to the Voice debate by saying the money should be checked to ensure it was going to the “most deserving” people, hours after leading No campaigner Jacinta Nampijinpa Price called for the audit.

    But Indigenous Australians Minister Linda Burney said she had made changes in June to address an audit that highlighted what she called the “clearly deficient” safeguards in place during nine years of Coalition government.

    Former Indigenous affairs minister Amanda Vanstone argued for a complete audit to discover where the spending was doing most good and where it was not working, after days of debate over total federal and state outlays worth about $33.4 billion.

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/dutton-price-want-indigenous-spending-audited-20231003-p5e9fb.html

    Dutton and Price just throwing chum into the water to churn people up before voting on the referendum.

    Generalised assertions based around a global number like ‘$33.4 billion’ don’t take into account, as the article goes on to point out, things like Indigenous Australians accessing medical care through Medicare, which everyone has a right to and Indigenous Australians may proportionately need more of. And that’s a ‘waste’ of ‘taxpayers’ money’ because, Dutton and Price?

    I also think it’s hugely insulting and demeaning to demand that Indigenous Australians account for every last cent of ‘taxpayers’ money’ that they spend when the government that Peter Dutton was a senior Minister in gave away BILLIONS OF UNACCOUNTED DOLLARS OF TAXPAYERS’ MONEY to corporations, businesses and the unaccountable Great Barrier Reef Foundation. Not to mention the administrators of the Cashless Welfare Card, Indue, who were White, former Nationals politicians!

  2. Then what?

    McCarthy on verge of removal from House speakership after allies fail to block motion to vacate

    Kevin McCarthy’s allies have failed to table the motion to vacate the House speaker’s chair, putting the veteran California congressman on the cusp of being ejected from his position leading Congress’s lower chamber.

    The House will now debate and vote on removing McCarthy from his leadership position, and if the vote to table the motion is any indication, it will succeed. Eleven Republicans joined with all Democrats to oppose blocking the motion to vacate, which, if that tally holds, will be enough for McCarthy to be removed.

  3. Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) delivered a passionate defense of Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.), saying McCarthy has “kept his word” by making sure the House successfully passed its version of the continuing resolution to temporarily fund the U.S. government last weekend, and not the Senate’s. “McCarthy has been rock solid,” Jordan said.

    And the dam breaks: When Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) stood up to counter Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio), saying that getting rid of McCarthy as speaker would help the chamber pass appropriation bills, a majority of House Republicans reacted. They laughed. They mocked Gaetz. The disdain for Gaetz has begun to show.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/10/03/kevin-mccarthy-house-speaker-vote-2/

    The appropriate response to someone like Matt Gaetz.

  4. Newt Gingrich has called for Matt Gaetz to be expelled from the Republican Party! The same Republican Party that Newt Gingrich created and which spawned Matt Gaetz!

  5. The Democrats decided not to back in Kevin McCarthy due to the number of times he has betrayed them and the President. Starting with his trip to Mar A Lago to legitimise Trump after the Jan 6 Insurrection.

  6. c@t: “Newt Gingrich has called for Matt Gaetz to be expelled from the Republican Party! The same Republican Party that Newt Gingrich created and which spawned Matt Gaetz!”

    That’s a bit unfair. Gingrich certainly was a very disruptive Speaker, but he had a pretty clear and relatively conventional right wing policy position (small government, low taxes, etc.) that he was attempting to progress.

    Gaetz’s doesn’t give a rat’s a__e about policy and his main goal appears to be to create chaos in order to draw lots of attention to himself so that he might be able to succeed De Santis as governor of Florida.

  7. And even Trump has now seemingly turned on Gaetz. It was apparently ok for him to threaten to remove McCarthy. Or even to launch a “motion to vacate” (a term that sounds vaguely scatological to me, but it might just be my eternally adolescent mind) on the tacit understanding that enough Dems might abstain that McCarthy would survive.

    However, bringing McCarthy down now is going to leave the House Republicans in this situation:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRJby3PCfbo

  8. Were you wondering why Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) and those voting to oust Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) are speaking from the Democratic side of the aisle? Well, according to multiple people familiar with the matter, Republicans would not allow him to speak from their side. The vitriol within the GOP conference against Gaetz is palpable, and we are all seeing it based on this small move.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/10/03/kevin-mccarthy-house-speaker-vote-2/

  9. Morning all. I get up at 6am every Wednesday to go to the gym. So I am freshly reminded of the reasons for my hatred of daylight savings, or “sleep stealing” as I call it. I know it suits some people, but anyone with a more fixed schedule that has to wake up in the dark is unlikely to be one of them.

  10. Pueo:

    “I mourn the Sycamore Gap tree. But I also grieve for whoever chopped it down — Rob Cowen
    The felling of this much-loved tree reflects a society that has become utterly disconnected from the non-human world
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/03/sycamore-gap-tree-grieve-chopped-down

    Nope. I don’t think there’s the slightest reason to feel sorry for the person who cut down the tree.

    It was most likely a bitter, isolated man who was angry with the world about something and believed that cutting down the tree would make him feel better: quite possibly because of the distress that it would cause so many other people. He almost certainly suffers from some form of mental illness.

    People in the environmental movement have told me that this type of vandalism quite often occurs after they have won a victory to save a particular environmental asset: the mentality being “you thought you saved this place but I’ll show you.”

    The people who do these sorts of things are a__eholes, pure and simple. Left-wing people tend to believe that everyone is ultimately redeemable (a hangover from the Christian influences on early left thinkers). They aren’t.

  11. Early voting for the Voice referendum opened across the country on Tuesday with an exit poll in South Australia showing almost 42 per cent of people supported Yes on day one.
    The Advertiser spoke to almost 300 people after they cast their votes at five different pre-polling centres spread across Adelaide. Of the 291 people spoken to by The Advertiser, 169 said they had voted ‘no’, while 122 said they voted ‘yes’.

  12. I must be getting old but anyone who can’t remember Newt Gingrich, his “contract with (corporate) America”, and his frequent assaults on US political traditions dating back to the Clinton era needs to read some history. I agree with Cat on this one.

  13. c@t: “meher baba, I was referring to Newt Gingrich’s ‘burn it all down’ style, which he was the progenitor of.”

    Well I suppose he was the pioneer of Republican-led shutdowns in the modern era, but his big shutdown was designed to force Clinton to agree to a clearly-articulated set of demands. And in the end, Gingrich got quite a lot of what he was looking for.

  14. The judge overseeing former President Trump’s New York fraud trial issued a limited gag order for all parties on Tuesday after Trump’s Truth Social account made a post targeting the judge’s principal clerk while she sat just feet away from him in the courtroom.
    Judge Arthur Engoron issued the gag order barring Trump and any party in the case from posting or speaking publicly about members of his staff after Trump released personally-identifying information about his principal clerk on Truth Social while the hearing was underway.
    The trial judge, without naming Trump, addressed the court on the matter, saying “one of the defendants” posted a “disparaging, untrue and personally-identifying post” about his staff, and though the judge ordered it deleted, it had been emailed out to “millions of other recipients.”
    “Personal attacks on members of my court staff are not appropriate and I will not tolerate it under any circumstance,” Engoron said. He added that he warned counsel off the record about the former president’s comments yesterday, but the warning went unheeded.

  15. Team Katich: “So now the freedom caucus is split. Some spooked members voting to keep McCarthy. What a rabble.”

    The old line about the dog catching the car and then not knowing what to do with it has become a cliche, but is entirely applicable here.

  16. meher baba @ #12 Wednesday, October 4th, 2023 – 7:12 am

    c@t: “meher baba, I was referring to Newt Gingrich’s ‘burn it all down’ style, which he was the progenitor of.”

    Well I suppose he was the pioneer of Republican-led shutdowns in the modern era, but his big shutdown was designed to force Clinton to agree to a clearly-articulated set of demands. And in the end, Gingrich got quite a lot of what he was looking for.

    Which doesn’t mean it’s going to be successful forevermore. Which the Republicans on the Far Autocratic Right of the party are discovering now.

  17. It kinda doesn’t matter, the freedom nutters will have a win of sorts. The GOP ‘moderates’ will round on the democrats after this, continue to shift further into nuttersville and the house will become even more partisan.

    Giving a little to the Gaetz of this world gets you infected with his zombie virus. McCarthy was a fool to work with him. Choosing, as so many republicans do, that the extreme autocratic right is somehow the lesser of two evils.

  18. “Kevin McCarthy removed as speaker of the House

    California Republican Kevin McCarthy has become the first speaker of the House forced out of the job in US history, after a rebellion by far-right Republicans that was aided by Democrats and fueled by frustration over his approach to government spending and negotiating with Joe Biden.

    The final vote tally was 216 in favor and 210 against.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2023/oct/03/mccarthy-speaker-republicans-trump-trial-biden-live-updates#top-of-blog

  19. c@t: “Which doesn’t mean it’s going to be successful forevermore. Which the Republicans on the Far Autocratic Right of the party are discovering now.”

    In politics and governent, if you set off without a clear plan of where you are trying to get to, you will invariably come unstuck.

    McCarthy situation reminds me of Jack Lang’s celebrated dictum that, in a political contest, you should always back self-interest because at least you know it’s trying. McCarthy doesn’t have a clear policy agenda, but he is absolutely desperate to be Speaker. His opponents don’t seem to be really clear as to what they want: they should have rallied behind an alternative to McCarthy, but apparently no serious figure in the Republican House caucus wants the job. And, to complicate things further, Trump is presumably on the phone to all and sundry giving them contradictory advice.

    In this scenario, it is quite possible that McCarthy will come out on top and be in a stronger position. If he’s smart, he’ll hold out for a return to the usual rules about the vote required within the Republican caucus for a motion to vacate the chair.

  20. ‘meher baba says:
    Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 7:06 am

    Pueo:

    “I mourn the Sycamore Gap tree. But I also grieve for whoever chopped it down — Rob Cowen
    The felling of this much-loved tree reflects a society that has become utterly disconnected from the non-human world
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/03/sycamore-gap-tree-grieve-chopped-down”

    Nope. I don’t think there’s the slightest reason to feel sorry for the person who cut down the tree.

    It was most likely a bitter, isolated man who was angry with the world about something and believed that cutting down the tree would make him feel better: quite possibly because of the distress that it would cause so many other people. He almost certainly suffers from some form of mental illness.

    People in the environmental movement have told me that this type of vandalism quite often occurs after they have won a victory to save a particular environmental asset: the mentality being “you thought you saved this place but I’ll show you.”

    The people who do these sorts of things are a__eholes, pure and simple. Left-wing people tend to believe that everyone is ultimately redeemable (a hangover from the Christian influences on early left thinkers). They aren’t.’
    ——————————-
    It was a feral tree, well outside of its natural range.
    Therefore it was not ‘nature’ or ‘natural’ but culture and artificial.
    Given the absolute smashing suffered by UK biodiversity, it badly needed cutting down and being replaced with the original native lowland deciduous forest.
    It was cut down by a 16 year old.
    Teenagers have been doing sort of stuff for millenia.
    There is no need for armbands, culture war stuff, Left or Right analyses or pop psychology.
    I blame George Washington.

  21. The democrats probably should have saved McCarthy. But I get it. He has pretty much done everything the freedom caucus wanted, except the shutdown agreement. And I suspect they got wind he was going to reneg. Had they saved him, would he had engaged more with them in future? I very much doubt it. He is captured. An enabler.

    But they all are. There would only be a small handful GOP left who can work, and be seen to work, across the aisle.

    Is congressional chaos good for Biden? Will voters in gop districts look at their MPs differently after this?

    Shambles.

  22. RE: Indigenous funding …….”to ensure it was going to the “most deserving” people”…..

    Will the Liberals investigate franking credits, negative gearing, family trust and super rules to ensure taxpayers money is going to the ‘most deserving people’…..

    I suspect not.

  23. ‘Team Katich says:
    Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 7:55 am

    The democrats probably should have saved McCarthy. But I get it. He has pretty much done everything the freedom caucus wanted, except the shutdown agreement. And I suspect they got wind he was going to reneg. Had they saved him, would he had engaged more with them in future? I very much doubt it. He is captured. An enabler.

    But they all are. There would only be a small handful GOP left who can work, and be seen to work, across the aisle.

    Is congressional chaos good for Biden? Will voters in gop districts look at their MPs differently after this?

    Shambles.’
    ——————————
    Australia needs to go to Plan B. Plan A is built on shifting sands.

  24. Nancy Mace was one of the eight (?) Republicans who voted to oust McCarthy. I recall that, when she started her Congressional career, she was a bit of a pinup girl of the anti-MAGA types, but must have started drinking the Kool-Aid.

  25. ‘Torchbearer says:
    Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 7:57 am

    RE: Indigenous funding …….”to ensure it was going to the “most deserving” people”…..

    Will the Liberals investigate franking credits, negative gearing, family trust and super rules to ensure taxpayers money is going to the ‘most deserving people’…..

    I suspect not.’
    ———————–
    Handy for the NO: a late breaking racist dog whistling from Dutton and Vanstone.

  26. it seems the republicans are helping the democrats re take the housenext election most democrats behind bidon and trump unable to get mckonal

  27. BW: “Given the absolute smashing suffered by UK biodiversity, it badly needed cutting down and being replaced with the original native lowland deciduous forest.”

    It was an isolated centuries-old tree in farmland standing next to an ancient wall. Its removal was hardly an urgent priority for ecosystem renewal.

    But I guess you don’t like it because tourists would travel to see it.

    BTW, the police have yet to identify who cut it down.

  28. Inflation continues to dictate with Central Bankers offering time lines to the achieving of within the band data, these time lines out over another year or so and inviting that the prospect of further rises in Official Rates impacting interest rates on offer to borrowers and investors will be a fact

    In the USA the 30 Year Yield is at a 16 year high

    Missing from the reference to 16 years and the impact on Equity Markets is that it is 16 years since the Global Financial Crisis – and the Official Rates regime we have “enjoyed” ever since for a raft of reasons including a Pandemic

    The 10 Year Bond Yield in AUD reflects the Global trend – factoring in further increases

    And, on the basis of the competition between dividends and yields plus the increased interest charge for borrower Companies and citizens the prospect of recession is driving what we see on Equity Markets – and, quite frankly off the data, has done since December 2021, so all but 2 years now since Yields started rising from record lows, handing advantage to Equity Markets

    Whilst there are signs of inflation abating there are still contributors seen when we drive past a Service Station and seen with media reporting of rental increases – and those borrowers profiled as being impacted by the movements we have seen in Bond Yields over the past near 2 years, the 10 Year Yield in Australia up from 1.68% to where it sits now

    We are returning to a pre GFC World – after 16 long years

    Immediately prior to the GFC inflation (due to inflationary government policy particularly in Australia off the back of the Mining Boom Phase 1 from 2004-2007, both inclusive) saw the 10 Year Bond Yield with a 7 in front of it – remember?

    The focus of Central Banks is to return inflation. to band

    And that is the only course because entrenched inflation feeds inflation and the damage done across society

    The question is the prospect of recession

    Imagine if in the USA and in Australia we had government with the ideology of austerity delivers confidence and that confidence will trickle down?

    Noting what we see with the GOP in the USA Congress

    And right wing media in Australia demonising government spend on infrastructure simplistically headlining “debt” to influence a narrative

    The very same right wing media which headlines interest rates being at their highest in 16 years, minus reference to the GFC and the fuller narrative of interest rate settings post the GFC

    Will the Globe per Se evade Recession?

    Where the official measure of a recession is 2 successive quarters of negative GDP

    Well we have a focus on employment and full employment plus we have some wages growth (some hard fought for in the USA across media and vehicle manufacture, even the President of the USA joining vehicle manufacture workers!).

    Markets are forward looking – and they will turn accordingly

    Central Banks read data

    Media produce headlines for the purpose of (flagging) sales and revenue from advertisers promoting their product for sale across media, product consumers purchase from the money they earn so a contributor to GDP – and inflation because these same advertisers are increasing their prices to consumers driving inflation

    Media is compromised and conflicted across its purpose, accordingly its reporting and its party political bias – and accordingly useless

    In political terms in Australia, the polling we read (including particularly in Victoria) would indicate that the majority of citizens are more educated and more mature than the headlines media throw at them relentlessly – if, indeed, they pay any heed to media other than background noise

  29. North Carolina’s Patrick McHenry takes over a temporary House speaker

    North Carolina Republican Patrick McHenry has taken over as House speaker pro tempore following Kevin McCarthy’s removal from the leadership role in Congress’s lower chamber moments ago.

    Per House rules, McCarthy submitted to the chamber’s clerk a list of lawmakers who would take over if his seat becomes vacant, of which McHenry was apparently first.

    McHenry is the chair of the financial services committee, and voted against removing McCarthy. After picking up the gavel, he recessed the House.

  30. Good morning Dawn Patrollers
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    The RBA’s November meeting is especially important because it is one of four in which the board has the full set of quarterly staff forecasts before it, as well as the latest detailed quarterly breakdown of inflation, writes Peter Martin who says its next move depends on petrol prices.
    https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/8373104/what-the-rba-does-next-depends-crucially-on-its-petrol-price-thoughts/?cs=14258
    Reserve Bank of Australia governor Michele Bullock may be forced to deliver a cash rate rise as soon as next month, as several economists warn inflation is running faster than forecast following a spike in oil prices, writes Michael Read.
    https://www.afr.com/policy/economy/rates-on-hold-at-4-1pc-but-bullock-flags-more-increases-20231003-p5e9d2
    Unending growth in the economy simply isn’t physically possible, and the more we keep growing the more we’ll damage the natural environment, to our great cost, argues Ross Gittins
    https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/we-need-economic-growth-to-make-us-better-off-right-well-actually-20231003-p5e9bu.html
    The Future Fund board will be required for the first time to detail how it invests taxpayer money under new rules to be introduced by Finance Minister Katy Gallagher. Ronald Mizen explains that, under the change, the Future Fund board will next year be required to publish details of its shareholdings, investments in properties and infrastructure, and its cash holdings by financial institution.
    https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/future-fund-to-reveal-how-it-invests-its-250b-20231003-p5e9f6
    The Australian Competition & Consumer Commission’s interim report into childcare sends a clear message to the government – it’s time to face the music on for-profit childcare, declares Virginia Tapscott.
    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/take-profit-motive-out-of-childcare-for-our-kids-sake/news-story/91d9edae0fc918b7cd5a323f2091ec03?amp
    A bitter Michael Pascoe says that fear, outrage and ‘Trumpian schtick’ are derailing the Voice to Parliament.
    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/politics/2023/10/04/voice-and-the-media-michael-pascoe/
    Transport Minister Catherine King is refusing to front an inquiry into her rejection of Qatar Airways’ bid for more flights in Australia, accusing the Coalition of staging a political stunt. Angus Thompson reports that Liberal senator Simon Birmingham says the federal opposition will pursue other means to reveal the reasons behind her ruling, which erupted into a political storm last month amid speculation over national airline Qantas’ sway over government decisions.
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/political-stunt-transport-minister-refuses-to-front-qatar-inquiry-20231003-p5e9hl.html
    Our elected representatives own a lot of property. Not counting their homes, 126 of Canberra’s 232 MPs and Senators own 297 properties between them, at least those that are declared. Nothing wrong with that, but does it affect their decisions? Michael West and Kim Wingerei.
    https://michaelwest.com.au/sacred-cow-are-politicians-many-houses-an-impediment-to-property-rental-reform/
    With voting now open and the Yes and No campaigns in full throttle, replete with exaggerations, distortions and racist claims, there is almost no focus on the central issue of the referendum – the constitutional power of the voice in representing the Indigenous peoples, writes Pontificating Paul Kelly.
    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/yes-campaign-cant-distract-from-real-issue-of-voices-power/news-story/57ed60fe9623768d8d8cc963d4d7c030?amp
    Supporters of disgraced former SAS soldier Ben Roberts-Smith have directed a number of death threats at investigative reporter for The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age Nick McKenzie since May, when a judge ruled in favour of his reporting on alleged war crimes committed by Roberts-Smith. Nice.
    https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/death-threats-from-ben-roberts-smith-supporters-aimed-at-journalist-20230716-p5doke.html
    Australian consumers are being ripped off by international shipping companies that are teaming up to keep freight costs high, the former competition watchdog Rod Sims has warned. Two shipping companies – Israeli based ZIM and the Swiss based Mediterranean Shipping Company (MSC) – recently signed a vessel sharing agreement that limits the number of container ships coming to Australia.
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/oct/04/international-shipping-prices-australia-high-why-rod-sims
    Sooner or later – many hope sooner – people will decide that the scourging and self-flagellation of PriceWaterhouseCoopers and the big consultancies has gone far enough. A few penances – perhaps if the AFP are up to it, a few prosecutions – and government departments can resume the business of outsourcing most of its thinking to former colleagues at about 10 times the cost of doing it themselves, writes Jack Waterford who says $1 Billion in penalties would be a fair settlement.
    https://johnmenadue.com/pwc-1-billion-in-penalties-would-be-a-fair-settlement/
    The SMH editorial demands that the government must release the delayed report into the deadly silicosis disease.
    https://www.smh.com.au/business/workplace/government-must-release-delayed-report-into-deadly-silicosis-disease-20231003-p5e9cc.html
    The recycling industry is generating three jobs for every one in landfill as the federal government works to meet ambitious waste reduction targets.
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/plibersek-hails-recycling-jobs-boom-as-australia-scrambles-to-meet-targets-20231003-p5e9ci.html
    Greg Baily has a good shot at fearmongering – the media’s creation of fear in the general public.
    https://johnmenadue.com/fearmongering-the-medias-creation-of-fear-in-the-general-public/
    “Congrats, Rishi: you’ve got a party so dreadful that Nigel Farage has turned you down”, says Marina Hyde.
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/03/rishi-sunak-nigel-farage-liz-truss-hs2-brexit-netflix-conservative-conference
    On Sunday, with little fanfare, Europe launched its controversial scheme to tax carbon-intensive imports – a scheme that could eventually have a material effect on global trade flows and the global response to climate change, explains Stephen Bartholomeusz.
    https://www.theage.com.au/environment/climate-change/the-european-tax-that-could-alter-global-trade-flows-20231003-p5e9b9.html
    Donald Trump has hit a new low, even by his standards, writes Bill Wyman.
    https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/donald-trump-has-hit-a-new-low-even-by-his-standards-20231003-p5e9ao.html
    “Is the fever of Trumpism starting to break?”, wonders Robert Reich.
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/03/donald-trump-supporters-judges-prosecutors
    The Michigan Supreme Court turned down an appeal on Tuesday that cleared the way for the parents of a teenager who fatally shot four students at Oxford High School to face trial on involuntary manslaughter charges. James and Jennifer Crumbley are accused of making a gun accessible to Ethan Crumbley and ignoring his mental health needs. The state appeals court said in March that the couple could face trial, and the Supreme Court let that decision stand in a one-sentence order.
    https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/parents-of-michigan-school-shooter-to-stand-trial-on-involuntary-manslaughter-20231004-p5e9iq.html
    Speaker McCarthy is GORN! 216-210.
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2023/oct/03/mccarthy-speaker-republicans-trump-trial-biden-live-updates
    A childcare worker accused of sexually abusing 91 young girls across Brisbane and Sydney can now be identified as Ashley Paul Griffith. Griffith, 45, from the Gold Coast, was charged last year with more than 1600 offences, including rape and indecent treatment of children. Very clearly, deserving of nomination for “Arsehole of the Week”.
    https://www.smh.com.au/national/queensland/revealed-alleged-childcare-rapist-accused-of-abusing-91-girls-named-20231003-p5e9hy.html

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  31. Team Katich: “The democrats probably should have saved McCarthy. But I get it. He has pretty much done everything the freedom caucus wanted, except the shutdown agreement. And I suspect they got wind he was going to reneg. Had they saved him, would he had engaged more with them in future? I very much doubt it. He is captured. An enabler.”

    I believe that longstanding convention is the Dems will never support a Republican speaker or president of the Senate or vice versa.

    The holders of these offices are next in line for the Presidency after the V-P, so naturally the Dems would prefer one of their own in them. And McCarthy initially gave some support to the actions on Jan 6, then appeared to change his stance, and then went to Mar-a-Lago and publicly courted Trump.

    I think the Dems have done the right thing, both tactically and morally.

  32. Mrmoney says:
    Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 8:08 am
    Dear Reader,

    Еlоn Мusk: Whеrе “Woke” АІ Goes to Dіе? ⧉ October 03

    Unless you’ve been living under a rock, you know ChatGPT has taken the world by storm… putting АІ in the limelight.

    ChatGPT is an AI program.

    It can generate its own articles… its own answers… and its own ideas.

    It can also create computer code, craft a website, design a marketing plan, or write a poem.

    And it’s done amazing things like pass the U.S. Bar exam, U.S. medical licensing exams, and Wharton’s MBA exam.

    But ChatGPT has a dirty little secret…

    It’s gone “woke.”

    That’s according to Еlоn Мusk.

    Musk recently said, “The danger of training AI to be woke – in other words, lie – is deadly.”

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    Date LNCin ALPin GRNin PHONin LNCout ALPout GRNout PHONout
    Jul 29, 2022, 10:00:00 AM 33 37 12 6 32.346 38.232 11.614 5.519
    Aug 19, 2022, 10:00:00 AM 29.857 40.75 11.893 5 32.424 38.252 11.651 5.581
    Sep 2, 2022, 10:00:00 AM 31 37 13 7 32.479 38.268 11.674 5.622
    Sep 16, 2022, 10:00:00 AM 33.857 37.75 9.893 6 32.534 38.267 11.698 5.664
    Oct 7, 2022, 11:00:00 AM 31.857 37.75 11.893 5 32.612 38.263 11.734 5.725
    Oct 28, 2022, 11:00:00 AM 33.857 37.75 12.893 4 32.679 38.244 11.776 5.786
    Oct 29, 2022, 11:00:00 AM 35 38 11 6 32.679 38.244 11.776 5.786
    Dec 2, 2022, 11:00:00 AM 35 39 11 6 32.845 38.249 11.83 5.869
    Dec 2, 2022, 11:00:00 AM 31.857 40.75 10.893 4 32.845 38.249 11.83 5.869
    Dec 9, 2022, 11:00:00 AM 32.222 38.112 11.927 6.316 32.884 38.254 11.838 5.884
    Jan 20, 2023, 11:00:00 AM 33.275 37.06 12.979 8.421 33.026 38.064 11.92 5.99
    Jan 20, 2023, 11:00:00 AM 30.857 40.75 10.893 6 33.026 38.064 11.92 5.99
    Feb 3, 2023, 11:00:00 AM 34 38 11 6 33.027 37.907 11.959 6.041
    Feb 4, 2023, 11:00:00 AM 32.222 36.007 16.137 6.316 33.027 37.907 11.959 6.041
    Feb 17, 2023, 11:00:00 AM 33.252 37.14 13.46 6.522 33.033 37.784 11.997 6.097
    Feb 17, 2023, 11:00:00 AM 32.857 38.75 9.893 5 33.033 37.784 11.997 6.097
    Mar 3, 2023, 11:00:00 AM 35.052 35.679 11.146 7.527 33.043 37.587 12.039 6.145
    Mar 3, 2023, 11:00:00 AM 35 37 10 7 33.043 37.587 12.039 6.145
    Mar 14, 2023, 11:00:00 AM 31.857 37.75 12.893 5 33.048 37.585 12.063 6.169
    Mar 18, 2023, 11:00:00 AM 33.275 37.06 12.979 5.263 33.052 37.581 12.086 6.2
    Mar 31, 2023, 11:00:00 AM 32.222 36.007 12.979 6.316 33.068 37.611 12.13 6.265
    Mar 31, 2023, 11:00:00 AM 33 38 10 8 33.068 37.611 12.13 6.265
    Apr 14, 2023, 10:00:00 AM 32.935 36.687 12.826 6.25 33.112 37.647 12.168 6.307
    Apr 14, 2023, 10:00:00 AM 29.857 40.75 11.893 6 33.112 37.647 12.168 6.307
    Apr 21, 2023, 10:00:00 AM 33 38 11 7 33.152 37.665 12.183 6.32
    Apr 28, 2023, 10:00:00 AM 33.275 36.007 12.979 5.263 33.209 37.658 12.195 6.335
    May 12, 2023, 10:00:00 AM 33.275 38.112 12.979 5.263 33.351 37.597 12.214 6.369
    May 12, 2023, 10:00:00 AM 34 38 11 7 33.351 37.597 12.214 6.369
    May 12, 2023, 10:00:00 AM 31.857 40.75 11.893 5 33.351 37.597 12.214 6.369
    May 26, 2023, 10:00:00 AM 33.275 37.06 14.032 6.316 33.502 37.369 12.236 6.403
    Jun 2, 2023, 10:00:00 AM 34 38 12 6 33.58 37.221 12.248 6.417
    Jun 9, 2023, 10:00:00 AM 34.327 34.954 15.085 5.263 33.667 37.063 12.26 6.431
    Jun 9, 2023, 10:00:00 AM 31.857 38.75 11.893 6 33.667 37.063 12.26 6.431
    Jun 20, 2023, 10:00:00 AM 35 38 11 6 33.76 36.889 12.271 6.445
    Jun 23, 2023, 10:00:00 AM 32.558 35.313 13.136 7.447 33.856 36.725 12.282 6.458
    Jul 7, 2023, 10:00:00 AM 34.327 34.954 12.979 8.421 34.042 36.377 12.304 6.487
    Jul 14, 2023, 10:00:00 AM 34 36 12 7 34.131 36.22 12.316 6.503
    Jul 14, 2023, 10:00:00 AM 31.857 37.75 10.893 6 34.131 36.22 12.316 6.503
    Jul 21, 2023, 10:00:00 AM 34.686 34.249 13.136 7.447 34.224 36.077 12.327 6.52
    Aug 4, 2023, 10:00:00 AM 32.558 36.377 11.008 8.511 34.416 35.807 12.348 6.554
    Aug 11, 2023, 10:00:00 AM 34.857 35.75 10.893 5 34.512 35.691 12.359 6.571
    Aug 18, 2023, 10:00:00 AM 35.749 36.377 13.136 5.319 34.606 35.567 12.37 6.587
    Aug 30, 2023, 10:00:00 AM 37 35 13 7 34.804 35.33 12.39 6.622
    Sep 1, 2023, 10:00:00 AM 34.686 34.249 14.2 7.447 34.804 35.33 12.39 6.622
    Sep 8, 2023, 10:00:00 AM 35.857 34.75 11.893 5 34.908 35.212 12.399 6.641
    Sep 15, 2023, 10:00:00 AM 34.686 34.249 12.072 8.511 35.014 35.095 12.408 6.66
    Sep 20, 2023, 10:00:00 AM 36 36 11 6 35.118 34.987 12.418 6.678
    Sep 29, 2023, 10:00:00 AM 34.327 36.007 12.979 6.316 35.219 34.877 12.428 6.696
    September 2022
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    Date ALP2in LNC2in ALP2out LNC2out
    Jul 29, 2022, 10:00:00 AM 55.452 44.548 56.325 43.675
    Aug 19, 2022, 10:00:00 AM 59 41 56.301 43.699
    Sep 2, 2022, 10:00:00 AM 56.664 43.336 56.284 43.716
    Sep 16, 2022, 10:00:00 AM 54.648 45.352 56.258 43.742
    Oct 7, 2022, 11:00:00 AM 56.502 43.498 56.221 43.779
    Oct 28, 2022, 11:00:00 AM 56.003 43.997 56.184 43.816
    Oct 29, 2022, 11:00:00 AM 54.597 45.403 56.184 43.816
    Dec 2, 2022, 11:00:00 AM 55.096 44.904 56.112 43.888
    Dec 2, 2022, 11:00:00 AM 57.788 42.212 56.112 43.888
    Dec 9, 2022, 11:00:00 AM 56.325 43.675 56.096 43.904
    Jan 20, 2023, 11:00:00 AM 55.347 44.653 55.943 44.057
    Jan 20, 2023, 11:00:00 AM 58.001 41.999 55.943 44.057
    Feb 3, 2023, 11:00:00 AM 55.096 44.904 55.871 44.129
    Feb 4, 2023, 11:00:00 AM 56.773 43.227 55.871 44.129
    Feb 17, 2023, 11:00:00 AM 55.842 44.158 55.812 44.188
    Feb 17, 2023, 11:00:00 AM 55.79 44.21 55.812 44.188
    Mar 3, 2023, 11:00:00 AM 53.244 46.756 55.717 44.283
    Mar 3, 2023, 11:00:00 AM 53.597 46.403 55.717 44.283
    Mar 14, 2023, 11:00:00 AM 56.859 43.141 55.718 44.282
    Mar 18, 2023, 11:00:00 AM 55.799 44.201 55.718 44.282
    Mar 31, 2023, 11:00:00 AM 55.648 44.352 55.731 44.269
    Mar 31, 2023, 11:00:00 AM 54.952 45.048 55.731 44.269
    Apr 14, 2023, 10:00:00 AM 55.586 44.414 55.735 44.265
    Apr 14, 2023, 10:00:00 AM 58.857 41.143 55.735 44.265
    Apr 21, 2023, 10:00:00 AM 55.452 44.548 55.728 44.272
    Apr 28, 2023, 10:00:00 AM 55.273 44.727 55.698 44.302
    May 12, 2023, 10:00:00 AM 56.325 43.675 55.598 44.402
    May 12, 2023, 10:00:00 AM 54.953 45.047 55.598 44.402
    May 12, 2023, 10:00:00 AM 58.002 41.998 55.598 44.402
    May 26, 2023, 10:00:00 AM 56.024 43.976 55.412 44.588
    Jun 2, 2023, 10:00:00 AM 55.452 44.548 55.302 44.698
    Jun 9, 2023, 10:00:00 AM 54.972 45.028 55.181 44.819
    Jun 9, 2023, 10:00:00 AM 56.859 43.141 55.181 44.819
    Jun 20, 2023, 10:00:00 AM 54.597 45.403 55.05 44.95
    Jun 23, 2023, 10:00:00 AM 55.027 44.973 54.922 45.078
    Jul 7, 2023, 10:00:00 AM 53.769 46.231 54.659 45.341
    Jul 14, 2023, 10:00:00 AM 54.309 45.691 54.537 45.463
    Jul 14, 2023, 10:00:00 AM 56.003 43.997 54.537 45.463
    Jul 21, 2023, 10:00:00 AM 53.433 46.567 54.421 45.579
    Aug 4, 2023, 10:00:00 AM 54.648 45.352 54.193 45.807
    Aug 11, 2023, 10:00:00 AM 53.648 46.352 54.088 45.912
    Aug 18, 2023, 10:00:00 AM 54.27 45.73 53.981 46.019
    Aug 30, 2023, 10:00:00 AM 52.668 47.332 53.766 46.234
    Sep 1, 2023, 10:00:00 AM 53.812 46.188 53.766 46.234
    Sep 8, 2023, 10:00:00 AM 53.006 46.994 53.656 46.344
    Sep 15, 2023, 10:00:00 AM 52.901 47.099 53.545 46.455
    Sep 20, 2023, 10:00:00 AM 53.098 46.902 53.44 46.56
    Sep 29, 2023, 10:00:00 AM 54.597 45.403 53.335 46.665
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  33. Here’s the full list:

    Supports 208:

    Robert B. Aderholt Ala.
    Mark Alford Mo.
    Rick Allen Ga.
    Mark Amodei Nev.
    Kelly Armstrong N.D.
    Jodey Arrington Tex.
    Brian Babin Tex.
    Don Bacon Neb.
    Jim Baird Ind.
    Troy Balderson Ohio
    Jim Banks Ind.
    Garland “Andy” Barr Ky.
    Aaron Bean Fla.
    Cliff Bentz Ore.
    Jack Bergman Mich.
    Stephanie I. Bice Okla.
    Gus M. Bilirakis Fla.
    Dan Bishop N.C.
    Lauren Boebert Colo.
    Mike Bost Ill.
    Josh Brecheen Okla.
    Vern Buchanan Fla.
    Larry Bucshon Ind.
    Michael C. Burgess Tex.
    Eric Burlison Mo.
    Ken Calvert Calif.
    Kat Cammack Fla.
    Mike Carey Ohio
    Jerry L. Carl Ala.
    E. Carter Ga.
    Lori Chavez-DeRemer Ore.
    Juan Ciscomani Ariz.
    Ben Cline Va.
    Michael Cloud Tex.
    Andrew S. Clyde Ga.
    Tom Cole Okla.
    Mike Collins Ga.
    James Comer Ky.
    E. Crawford Ark.
    Dan Crenshaw Tex.
    John Curtis Utah
    A. D’Esposito N.Y.
    Monica De La Cruz Tex.
    Scott DesJarlais Tenn.
    Mario Diaz-Balart Fla.
    Byron Donalds Fla.
    John Duarte Calif.
    Jeff Duncan S.C.
    Neal Dunn Fla.
    Chuck Edwards N.C.
    Jake Ellzey Tex.
    Tom Emmer Minn.
    Ron Estes Kan.
    Mike Ezell Miss.
    Pat Fallon Tex.
    Randy Feenstra Iowa
    Drew Ferguson Ga.
    Brad Finstad Minn.
    Michelle Fischbach Minn.
    Scott Fitzgerald Wis.
    Brian Fitzpatrick Pa.
    C. Fleischmann Tenn.
    Mike Flood Neb.
    Virginia Foxx N.C.
    C. Scott Franklin Fla.
    Russell Fry S.C.
    Russ Fulcher Idaho
    Mike Gallagher Wis.
    Andrew R. Garbarino N.Y.
    Mike Garcia Calif.
    Carlos A. Giménez Fla.
    Tony Gonzales Tex.
    Lance Gooden Tex.
    Paul A. Gosar Ariz.
    Kay Granger Tex.
    Sam Graves Mo.
    Garret Graves La.
    Mark Green Tenn.
    M. Greene Ga.
    H. Morgan Griffith Va.
    Glenn Grothman Wis.
    Michael Guest Miss.
    Brett Guthrie Ky.
    Harriet Hageman Wyo.
    Andy Harris Md.
    Diana Harshbarger Tenn.
    Kevin Hern Okla.
    Clay Higgins La.
    French Hill Ark.
    Ashley Hinson Iowa
    Erin Houchin Ind.
    Richard Hudson N.C.
    Bill Huizenga Mich.
    Wesley Hunt Tex.
    Darrell Issa Calif.
    Ronny Jackson Tex.
    John James Mich.
    Bill Johnson Ohio
    Mike Johnson La.
    Dusty Johnson S.D.
    Jim Jordan Ohio
    David Joyce Ohio
    John Joyce Pa.
    Thomas Kean Jr. N.J.
    Mike Kelly Pa.
    Trent Kelly Miss.
    Jen A. Kiggans Va.
    Kevin Kiley Calif.
    Young Kim Calif.
    David Kustoff Tenn.
    Darin LaHood Ill.
    Nicholas J. LaLota N.Y.
    Doug LaMalfa Calif.
    Doug Lamborn Colo.
    Nick Langworthy N.Y.
    Robert E. Latta Ohio
    Jake LaTurner Kan.
    Michael Lawler N.Y.
    Laurel Lee Fla.
    Debbie Lesko Ariz.
    Julia Letlow La.
    Barry Loudermilk Ga.
    Frank D. Lucas Okla.
    Blaine Luetkemeyer Mo.
    Morgan Luttrell Tex.
    Nicole Malliotakis N.Y.
    Tracey Mann Kan.
    Thomas Massie Ky.
    Brian Mast Fla.
    Kevin McCarthy Calif.
    Michael McCaul Tex.
    Lisa C. McClain Mich.
    Tom McClintock Calif.
    Rich McCormick Ga.
    Patrick T. McHenry N.C.
    C. McMorris Rodgers Wash.
    Dan Meuser Pa.
    Carol Miller W.Va.
    Mary E. Miller Ill.
    Max Miller Ohio
    M. Miller-Meeks Iowa
    Marcus Molinaro N.Y.
    John Moolenaar Mich.
    Alex Mooney W.Va.
    Barry Moore Ala.
    Blake D. Moore Utah
    Nathaniel Moran Tex.
    Greg Murphy N.C.
    Troy E. Nehls Tex.
    Dan Newhouse Wash.
    Ralph Norman S.C.
    Zach Nunn Iowa
    Jay Obernolte Calif.
    Andy Ogles Tenn.
    Burgess Owens Utah
    Gary Palmer Ala.
    Greg Pence Ind.
    Scott Perry Pa.
    August Pfluger Tex.
    Bill Posey Fla.
    Guy Reschenthaler Pa.
    Harold Rogers Ky.
    Mike D. Rogers Ala.
    John Rose Tenn.
    David Rouzer N.C.
    Chip Roy Tex.
    John Rutherford Fla.
    M. Salazar Fla.
    George Santos N.Y.
    Steve Scalise La.
    David Schweikert Ariz.
    Austin Scott Ga.
    Keith Self Tex.
    Pete Sessions Tex.
    Mike Simpson Idaho
    C. Smith N.J.
    Adrian Smith Neb.
    Jason T. Smith Mo.
    Lloyd Smucker Pa.
    Pete Stauber Minn.
    Michelle Steel Calif.
    Elise Stefanik N.Y.
    Bryan Steil Wis.
    Greg Steube Fla.
    Dale Strong Ala.
    Claudia Tenney N.Y.
    Glenn Thompson Pa.
    Tom Tiffany Wis.
    William Timmons S.C.
    Michael R. Turner Ohio
    David G. Valadao Calif.
    Jeff Van Drew N.J.
    Beth Van Duyne Tex.
    Derrick Van Orden Wis.
    Ann Wagner Mo.
    Tim Walberg Mich.
    Michael Waltz Fla.
    Randy Weber Tex.
    Daniel Webster Fla.
    Brad Wenstrup Ohio
    Bruce Westerman Ark.
    Roger Williams Tex.
    Brandon Williams N.Y.
    Joe Wilson S.C.
    Rob Wittman Va.
    Steve Womack Ark.
    Rudy Yakym Ind.
    Ryan Zinke Mont.

    All Republicans

  34. Andrew newton
    We are a long way to the next Congress. It needs to be functional and relatively sane. Nobody knows who will benefit electorally from chaos but; one dude thrives on it.

    Wondering out loud….. do democrats have a deal already sewn up for the next stage?

  35. Team Katich @ #27 Wednesday, October 4th, 2023 – 7:55 am

    The democrats probably should have saved McCarthy. But I get it. He has pretty much done everything the freedom caucus wanted, except the shutdown agreement. And I suspect they got wind he was going to renege. Had they saved him, would he had engaged more with them in future? I very much doubt it. He is captured. An enabler.

    But they all are. There would only be a small handful GOP left who can work, and be seen to work, across the aisle.

    Is congressional chaos good for Biden? Will voters in gop districts look at their MPs differently after this?

    Shambles.

    An interesting one to game theory out.

    The right wing media will blame the Democrat’s for ousting McCarthy, but the middle ground is where it will matter. We will now possibly see weeks of internal strife in the Republican party bubble to the surface. This chaos, added to the blanket coverage of Trumps trials, will continue to peal off votes in the centre. Remembering that the 2024 election will possibly be decided by a few 10s of thousands of votes in key purple states, this will matter.

    The opportunity was there, I say the Democrats made the right decision.

    The Democrats have now enabled the Republicans to create a leadership vacuum, there will be a shift in political alliances as a new Republican leader is voted in, they gained the above mentioned election implications. Yes they may have increased polarization, but I think that is already passed the point where it matters, so we have diminishing returns on this issue, red states get redder? So what, it’s the purple states where they want to win the centre.

    A feather in the cap for the Dems, a black eye for the Repubs.

  36. Opposes 218
    First the Bomb Thrower Republicans:

    Andy Biggs Ariz.
    Ken Buck Colo.
    Tim Burchett Tenn.
    Eli Crane Ariz.
    Warren Davidson Ohio
    Matt Gaetz Fla.
    Bob Good Va.
    Nancy Mace S.C.
    Cory Mills Fla.
    M. Rosendale Mont.
    Victoria Spartz Ind.

    Democrats:
    Alma Adams N.C.
    Pete Aguilar Calif.
    Colin Allred Tex.
    Jake Auchincloss Mass.
    Becca Balint Vt.
    Nanette Barragán Calif.
    Joyce Beatty Ohio
    Ami Bera Calif.
    Don Beyer Va.
    S. Bishop Jr. Ga.
    Earl Blumenauer Ore.
    L. Blunt Rochester Del.
    Suzanne Bonamici Ore.
    Jamaal Bowman N.Y.
    Brendan Boyle Pa.
    Shontel Brown Ohio
    Julia Brownley Calif.
    Nikki Budzinski Ill.
    Yadira Caraveo Colo.
    Salud Carbajal Calif.
    Tony Cárdenas Calif.
    André Carson Ind.
    Troy Carter La.
    Matthew Cartwright Pa.
    Greg Casar Tex.
    Ed Case Hawaii
    Sean Casten Ill.
    Kathy Castor Fla.
    Joaquin Castro Tex.
    S. Cherfilus-McCormick Fla.
    Judy Chu Calif.
    Katherine M. Clark Mass.
    Yvette D. Clarke N.Y.
    Emanuel Cleaver II Mo.
    James E. Clyburn S.C.
    Steve Cohen Tenn.
    Gerald E. Connolly Va.
    J. Luis Correa Calif.
    Jim Costa Calif.
    Joe Courtney Conn.
    Angie Craig Minn.
    Jasmine Crockett Tex.
    Jason Crow Colo.
    Henry Cuellar Tex.
    Sharice Davids Kan.
    Danny K. Davis Ill.
    Don Davis N.C.
    Madeleine Dean Pa.
    Diana DeGette Colo.
    Rosa L. DeLauro Conn.
    Suzan DelBene Wash.
    Chris Deluzio Pa.
    Mark DeSaulnier Calif.
    Debbie Dingell Mich.
    Lloyd Doggett Tex.
    Veronica Escobar Tex.
    Anna G. Eshoo Calif.
    Adriano Espaillat N.Y.
    Dwight Evans Pa.
    Lizzie Fletcher Tex.
    Bill Foster Ill.
    Valerie Foushee N.C.
    Lois Frankel Fla.
    Maxwell Frost Fla.
    Ruben Gallego Ariz.
    John Garamendi Calif.
    Jesús “Chuy” Garcia Ill.
    Sylvia Garcia Tex.
    Robert Garcia Calif.
    M. Gluesenkamp Perez Wash.
    Jared Golden Maine
    Daniel Goldman N.Y.
    Jimmy Gomez Calif.
    Vicente Gonzalez Tex.
    Josh Gottheimer N.J.
    Al Green Tex.
    Raúl M. Grijalva Ariz.
    Josh Harder Calif.
    Jahana Hayes Conn.
    Brian Higgins N.Y.
    Jim Himes Conn.
    Steven Horsford Nev.
    Chrissy Houlahan Pa.
    Steny H. Hoyer Md.
    Val Hoyle Ore.
    Jared Huffman Calif.
    Glenn Ivey Md.
    Jeff Jackson N.C.
    Jonathan Jackson Ill.
    Sheila Jackson Lee Tex.
    Sara Jacobs Calif.
    Pramila Jayapal Wash.
    Hakeem Jeffries N.Y.
    Hank Johnson Ga.
    Sydney Kamlager Calif.
    Marcy Kaptur Ohio
    William R. Keating Mass.
    Robin L. Kelly Ill.
    Ro Khanna Calif.
    Daniel Kildee Mich.
    Derek Kilmer Wash.
    Andy Kim N.J.
    Raja Krishnamoorthi Ill.
    Ann Kuster N.H.
    Greg Landsman Ohio
    Rick Larsen Wash.
    John B. Larson Conn.
    Barbara Lee Calif.
    Susie Lee Nev.
    Summer Lee Pa.
    T. Leger Fernandez N.M.
    Mike Levin Calif.
    Ted Lieu Calif.
    Zoe Lofgren Calif.
    Stephen F. Lynch Mass.
    Seth Magaziner R.I.
    Kathy Manning N.C.
    Doris Matsui Calif.
    Lucy McBath Ga.
    Jennifer McClellan Va.
    Betty McCollum Minn.
    Morgan McGarvey Ky.
    Jim McGovern Mass.
    Gregory W. Meeks N.Y.
    Robert Menendez N.J.
    Grace Meng N.Y.
    Kweisi Mfume Md.
    Gwen Moore Wis.
    Joseph Morelle N.Y.
    Jared Moskowitz Fla.
    Seth Moulton Mass.
    Frank Mrvan Ind.
    Kevin Mullin Calif.
    Jerrold Nadler N.Y.
    Grace F. Napolitano Calif.
    Richard E. Neal Mass.
    Joe Neguse Colo.
    Wiley Nickel N.C.
    Donald W. Norcross N.J.
    A. Ocasio-Cortez N.Y.
    Ilhan Omar Minn.
    Frank Pallone Jr. N.J.
    Jimmy Panetta Calif.
    Chris Pappas N.H.
    Bill Pascrell Jr. N.J.
    Donald Payne Jr. N.J.
    Scott Peters Calif.
    Brittany Pettersen Colo.
    Dean Phillips Minn.
    Chellie Pingree Maine
    Mark Pocan Wis.
    Katie Porter Calif.
    Ayanna Pressley Mass.
    Mike Quigley Ill.
    Delia Ramirez Ill.
    Jamie B. Raskin Md.
    Deborah Ross N.C.
    Raul Ruiz Calif.
    C. Ruppersberger Md.
    Patrick Ryan N.Y.
    Andrea Salinas Ore.
    Linda T. Sánchez Calif.
    John Sarbanes Md.
    Mary Gay Scanlon Pa.
    Jan Schakowsky Ill.
    Adam B. Schiff Calif.
    Bradley Schneider Ill.
    Hillary Scholten Mich.
    Kim Schrier Wash.
    R. Scott Va.
    David Scott Ga.
    Terri A. Sewell Ala.
    Brad Sherman Calif.
    Mikie Sherrill N.J.
    Elissa Slotkin Mich.
    Adam Smith Wash.
    Eric Sorensen Ill.
    Darren Soto Fla.
    Abigail Spanberger Va.
    Melanie Stansbury N.M.
    Greg Stanton Ariz.
    Haley Stevens Mich.
    Marilyn Strickland Wash.
    Eric Swalwell Calif.
    Mark Takano Calif.
    Shri Thanedar Mich.
    Bennie Thompson Miss.
    Mike Thompson Calif.
    Dina Titus Nev.
    Rashida Tlaib Mich.
    Jill Tokuda Hawaii
    Paul Tonko N.Y.
    Norma J. Torres Calif.
    Ritchie Torres N.Y.
    Lori Trahan Mass.
    David Trone Md.
    Lauren Underwood Ill.
    Juan Vargas Calif.
    Gabriel Vasquez N.M.
    Marc Veasey Tex.
    Nydia M. Velázquez N.Y.
    D. Wasserman Schultz Fla.
    Maxine Waters Calif.
    B. Watson Coleman N.J.
    Jennifer Wexton Va.
    Susan Wild Pa.
    Nikema Williams Ga.

  37. Did not vote 7

    Republicans:
    John Carter Tex.
    Anna Paulina Luna Fla.

    Democrats:
    Cori Bush Mo.
    Nancy Pelosi Calif.
    Mary Peltola Alaska
    Emilia Sykes Ohio
    Frederica S. Wilson Fla.

  38. And in regard the “revalation” that the Victorian government sought legal advice ahead of making an announcement and some 3 weeks out

    Back in the day, when Companies were in breach of Letter of Offer covenants, those breaches impacting their viability and their danger to those invested into the business including banks and Trade Creditors, I always sought opinion from both legal and accounting principals – unknown to the business proprietors, obviously

    And robust and informative conversation was had as to the course to be undertaken and outcome – on a commercial in confidence basis

    The first the business proprietor knew was when “invited” to my office, where the legal and accounting principals were also present

    So the presentation to the Company principals was orchastrated and comprehensive – and beyond challenge

    9 Enterainmenf is a nonsense

    The government was comprehensively informed in arriving at the decision

  39. KEVIN MCCARTHY
    – Shortest term as US House Speaker since 1876
    – First US House Speaker to be removed from the position by fellow lawmakers
    – Vote pushed by elements in the Republican Party, with eight ultimately voting to remove him from the position

  40. My apologies to everyone if that’s what I have posted.
    It wasn’t meant to be all of that.

    To William and all I’m sorry about that
    My iPad went flat as I posted so I didn’t see it to edit it out

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