I suspect we’re entering something of an opinion poll drought, with media polling budgets having been exhausted in the last stages of the referendum campaign. On that subject, my live results feature continue to update on a daily-or-so basis. There is also Simon Jackman’s, which includes an impressive feature allowing the user to observe relationships between booth results and various electoral and demographic measures.
Other news:
• The federal redistribution processes for Western Australia and Victoria, which will respectively increase the state’s representation from 15 seats to 16 and reduce it from 39 to 38, moved along a notch this week. Submission deadlines for suggestions have been set at November 17 for Western Australia and November 24 for Victoria; supporting information including the enrolment data that will set the quotas for enrolment (both current and projected to 2028) have been published for Western Australia and will follow for Victoria on Wednesday. The deadline for suggestions in New South Wales, which reduces from 47 to 46 seats, is this coming Friday.
• The former Liberal Democratic Party, which has lost the right to have the word “liberal” in its name following legislative changes before the last election, is seeking to register as the Libertarian Party (with a proposed logo that looks to be rather a lot like that of Queensland’s Liberal National Party). This is now its formal name in Victoria, where it boasts one seat in the Legislative Council, though it retains its old name in New South Wales, where ditto.
• The Australian reports the Joint Standing Committee on Electoral Matters will bring down its final report on the 2022 election next month. Most of the terms of reference were addressed in the interim report, the exception being “proportional representation of the states and territories in the Parliament, in the context of the democratic principle of ‘one vote, one value’”.
C@tmomma says:
Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 9:42 am
“Birmingham still hasn’t stopped talking! ”
But he didn’t really say anything
C@tmomma
Did Wikipedia have a picture of you next to that definition of a ‘snowflake’?
After a long answer to a quastion.
PM Hacker: “Bernard, I didn’t understand a word you said!”
Bernard Wooley: “Thank you, Prime Minister”.
OC – have the two of them popped up again since their No Land Tax shenanigans in 2015 and associated wage theft convictions?
Rambler @ #53 Sunday, October 22nd, 2023 – 10:03 am
Good point. Did they pay the people they got to work for them on election day? I’m sure Oakeshott Country and Lars Von Trier would know.
Rambler
I am fascinated by their behaviour and do a google search now and then but have not seen anything.
I am not sure if Peter Jones’ role in the alleged defrauding of the Prairewood Calabrian Club has been resolved.
And it almost paid off for them in 2015. From memory it was only a few thousand votes at the final exclusion against the Animal Justice Party that cost them a big pay day. Given the track record, no doubt we will hear from them again.
The Bin Chickens are very healthy looking in my local area. They have discovered the baby crabs and prawns in the mud in the Mangroves. 🙂
To give an example of the quality of discourse here, I’m being accused of “tankie propaganda” for sharing this article from New Statesman: The realists were right.
Please refer to the article as a reference point for how corrupted and meaningless the term has become.
McCartney still magically rocking and rolling it at 81yo. 🙂
Dog’s Brunch @ #38 Sunday, October 22nd, 2023 – 9:22 am
If you assimilate, the elite establishment will embrace you….
Rex, I know many treat the ramblings of Shane Dowling with derision, but his latest offering suggests that J Price and her relatives are milking the public purse with the backing of Dutton and Littleproud. References were made to a private but publically funded school in Alice Springs with more staff than students
“ O’Toole was 22, a law student who followed our own A_E as Gough’s minder.”
I … may … have had something to do with that.
Of can fulminate all he wants over O’Toole’s lack of electoral appeal, but by 1998 her opponent had been elevated into the ranks of bogan icon status and the seat was not for turning. In my view ‘the candidate’ aspect of Labor’s failure to win back the seat was pretty irrelevant. I was working for the TWU at the time, and although no fan of Jones or Tripodi, Steve Hutchins DID poor huge resources into the campaign, but to no avail. He didn’t blame ‘the candidate’ factor at the time.
Back in 1998 I was too busy reforming the Sydney Courier industry at the time, so was not allowed by Steve or Tony Sheldon to campaign very much, and to the extent I did I worked on my local campaign – John Murphy’s successful campaign to win back Lowe (now effectively the seat of Reid) along with a bunch of other alumni from Mary Easton’s 1996 campaign (Fabian Gleeson – now on the NSW Court of Appeal – was her official campaign manager).
If you’re not a pensioner or welfare recipient, you’ll struggle to find a bulk billing GP.
Another example of low income earners left behind.
A_E
Ah, you have reminded me of Hutchins, not necessarily benign, influence in Penrith. (His first wife eventually won Badgerys Creek and was O’Toole’s mentor)
Collins would have had the support of the branches, once you sorted out the stacking in Kingswood and disqualified the Claremont Meadows ghost branch. He was a reasonable guy and there is a strong chance that he would have out-boganned Kelly and got the extra 1%.
Of course Collins eventually got a seat in the NT and was expelled from the party after 18 months.
Granny Anny @ #62 Sunday, October 22nd, 2023 – 10:59 am
Anny, I’ve never understood the logic of govt using taxpayer funds on private schooling.
So how are Dutton and Littleproud backing some supposed milking of the public purse from opposition?
Honestly, some people on the left are going down as many crazy rabbit holes as those on the far right.
I read yesterday that, fresh from her victory over the Voice and her confirmation of the benefits of colonialism, J. N. Price has a new mission. It is to “push back” against the transgender movement.
This will be well worth watching. Success should set her up for her push for the top job.
Quoting Shane Dowling without further independent sources is probably never a good thing.
Only a true tankie would delight in a mass slaughter Putinista attempt to advance.
I liked the cover of the Saturday Paper this week: a blank white page, with a small “No” in the middle of it.
Highlights the size of the outcome.
Lefty_e @ #70 Sunday, October 22nd, 2023 – 12:04 pm
And the Whiteness of the vote.
https://youtu.be/f2Q-OPOjp-o?si=Kqtq9XEbZ9szdY4H
Yep. Ukraine doing so badly. 🙄
So, Albanese is going to visit China next month. A pragmatic move, and yet debatable electorally. Dutton and Littleprice will now argue that ALP are aligned with commies, dictators and Stalin. Just like Trump did with Biden. They will probably use the word “appeasement” and “chamberlain” somehwere.
The problem is most of the electorate are political and literal naifs, and without trying to sound condescending, salt of the terra nullius. They will believe them.
Besides, isn’t it more important to pay attention to cost of living, indigenous child abuse (by their own kind) and men-who-call-themselves-women as higher priorities than appeasing China*?
*Some degree of sarcasm intended
of course he is…
Putin’s spite against Ukrainians who refuse to kiss his ring continues:
“Russian missile strikes on mail depot in Ukraine’s north-eastern Kharkiv region have killed at least six people and wounded 14 others, local officials have said.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/21/russian-missile-strike-on-kharkiv-postal-centre-has-caused-multiple-deaths-says-governor
MelbourneMammoth
So, Albanese is going to visit China next month. A pragmatic move, and yet debatable electorally.
I do not know for what reason this is debatable electorally. Under Dutton, the LNP rhetoric against China has been over-the-top, and unproductive to their electoral prospects. The ALP was helped to victory in 2022 because many Chinese Australian voters in seats like Chisholm, Reid, and Bennelong swung to the ALP.
Oh no. Greta Thunberg has come out as a terror supporter.
Watermelon: “Oh no. Greta Thunberg has come out as a terror supporter.”
I think you meant to say “How dare she!”
I always assumed that she would become more closely tied to the hard left when she got older.
For the benefit of Melbourne Mammoth and any other RW cranks and agitators seeking to score political points against the Albanese government in order to erode their popularity via a cynical focus on Child Abuse in Indigenous communities, I suggest you view today’s episode of Insiders and the interview with their Indigenous Affairs reporter in Yarraba, FNQ, wherein she refers to the furphy that the Coalition are attempting to make viral, of a crisis of Child Abuse in Indigenous communities. She referred to statistical proof that the levels of Child Abuse in Indigenous communities is actually lower than that in the general community.
meher baba @ #79 Sunday, October 22nd, 2023 – 1:39 pm
I’d have thought that campaigning against the destruction of environment and community would be seen as centrist …?
c@t: I clearly heard the report from Yarraba as stating that it was level of reported child abuse in that community that was lower, so it is possible that there is a significant amount of unreported child abuse.
I have known quite a few people who have worked in remote Indigenous communities and all of them have reported that the level of child abuse is a significant problem. Not just by families or other males in the community, but truck drivers and other whitefellas who pay for the privilege.
Dutton is playing a distasteful political game. But that doesn’t mean that the problem doesn’t exist. However, there is no pressing need for a Royal Commission: there’s plenty of reports already available. The main solution is, as always, better services with more funding, and administered in a transparent and ethical way (be that by Indigenous people, white people or a combination of the two).
Unlike the generations that doomed the world, the Zoomers are only getting more left-wing with age. But wait til you meet their kids.
I am a long time ‘lurker’ and occasional poster . I have tried to stay out of all of this Israel-Palestine debate because you might say I have a vested interest. My heritage is both Jewish (in fact I lost many relatives in Poland during the Second World War) and Irish Catholic. I find it difficult to read the startling lack of empathy shown in this blog towards the destruction of human lives everywhere by all the posters on this blog, regardless of the ‘team’ for which they ‘root’ in whatever conflict, but most recently in the ME. I stand with humanity over terror and against overwhelming vengeful military force. Obviously I am appalled and traumatised by the work of Hamas, but my Jewish genes also resonate with the ‘Jews Against the Occupation’ in their condemnation of Israel’s response and its position as the “root of the violence and misery…” which is Israel’s occupation of Palestinian territory. I won’t post again and you can obviously feel free to ignore this post (if it even gets through moderation), but just be aware that words are important and what seems to be great sport to people on this blog may have social ramifications far beyond it.
Child abuse is a nationwide issue covering all cultures and faiths.
Dutton is a POS for politicising it.
Rex: “I’d have thought that campaigning against the destruction of environment and community would be seen as centrist …?”
She’s been hanging more and more with the more aggressive environmental activists.
Anyway, she’s in a fair bit of bother, because the photo posted of her holding a “Stand with Gaza” sign also featured a toy octopus: octopusses being associated with anti-Semitism all the way back to the Protocols of the Elders of Zion era. She claims she didn’t know it was there.
Ms Thunberg should probably stick to what she’s proven she’s very good at and not lend her good name to questionable causes.
meher baba @ #86 Sunday, October 22nd, 2023 – 1:54 pm
She addressed the stuffed toy issue.
Post referendum report from Demos AU
https://demosau.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/Voice-to-Parliament-Research-What-Drove-The-No-Victory.pdf
* Last weeks Essential report still does not contain primaries. It will be outdated anyway.
* Redbridge, slightly overdue on publishing their October Federal Poll 2023 (last was 7 Sep)
* Roy Morgan Poll due this Tues arvo. This will be the first poll to cover the post referendum period, &
* Has anyone got a tip off for a Newspoll tonight. They’re not due but they often surprise.
Getting outraged by these messages is ridiculous.
Thunberg’s autism probably makes it difficult to moderate her sense of moral clarity.
Which is bad news for her as she is now not only a terror sympathiser but also an anti-Semite, incriminated by possession of a toy octopus.
I really do struggle to understand how so many get triggered by Thunberg’s campaign for environment and humanity.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/21/the-most-successful-land-grab-strategy-since-1967-as-settlers-push-bedouins-off-west-bank-territory
Watermelon: “Thunberg’s autism probably makes it difficult to moderate her sense of moral clarity.”
Her autism is presumably what is now known as “high-functioning autism” or “on the spectrum.” I have met a number of people who claim to have this condition who seem to me to be little different to anybody else, but also some who do display unusual behaviours. But the main symptoms are supposedly a tendency towards obsessiveness and an inability to respond to non-verbal cues from other people. I haven’t heard that “lack of moral clarity” is a symptom. But there are no doubt others on here who know more about the subject than me.
So she claims that the octopus was her comfort toy (not an ususal thing these days, even among those who haven’t been diagnosed as autistic). I’m prepared to give her the benefit of the doubt on this occasion: the association of octopusses with anti-Semitism is a somewhat obscure one, and it’s unlikely that someone of her age and background would know about it.
Watermelon @ #90 Sunday, October 22nd, 2023 – 2:03 pm
You’re the only one saying these things about her here, by way of trying to offload that freight onto the rest of us. 😐
meher baba,
Only the cynical wishing to use and abuse the autistic for their own benefit, such as our resident fruit, Watermelon, would bring that association up.
meher baba
I believe your phrasing is a misinterpretation and that “difficult to moderate her sense of moral clarity” is intended to be understood more in the sense that she won’t compromise her morals.
Greta Thunberg will eventually be proven to have been right on the money all the time about the environment and how society is structured to protect the wealthy and powerful, two highly interconnected issues.
In ancient times that was called being a prophet. The sooner the prophet is listened to, the less pain society will have to go through.
C@tmomma, you are THE most abusive person on this blog.
Vale Bobby Charlton, my late mother’s 1st cousin:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-22/bobby-charlton-dies-aged-86/103006756
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Charlton
Greta Thunberg and a stuffed toy octopus?
This is the classic shit that passes for discussion in heated matters. Somebody, somewhere suggests that this is a sign of anti-semitism because of an historic trope. She denies it and it is quite reasonable to take her denial at face value.
The stupid and pretty baseless claim is then taken up by purported defenders of the young women to attack a much wider range of people – that is, anyone who takes a different stance from her on the current Middle East situation.
And away we go with mass stupidity all round. And we have Watermelon pushing this ridiculous stupidity now – ironically while he is defending the descendants of the creators of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.