The final poll of the year from YouGov, which will return next year as a regular three-weekly series, finds Labor with a steady 51-49 lead on two-party preferred based on preference flows from the previous election, despite recording their lowest primary vote of any poll since the election. Labor is down two points on the last poll to 29%, their day saved to some extent by a two point rise for the Greens to 15%. The Coalition is up one to 37%, while One Nation is steady on 7%. Anthony Albanese is down four on approval to 39% and up five on disapproval to 55%, while Peter Dutton is down one to 39% and up one to 48%. Albanese’s lead as preferred prime minister is in from 48-34 to 46-36. The poll was conducted Friday to Tuesday from a sample of 1555.
I have recently started adding YouGov and RedBridge Group polling to the BludgerTrack poll aggregate, which doesn’t seem to have caught all the way up with the recent slide in Labor’s fortunes. In the case of the earlier three YouGov polls (though not yet the latest one), the poll data feature incorporates an array of unpublished breakdowns by state and various demographic indicators.
Calling a poster a “fuckwit” is surely a reason to be removed from the blog.
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Sacrebleu!
Player One says:
Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 2:55 pm
Boerwar @ #792 Sunday, December 10th, 2023 – 2:44 pm
My points can be summarized thus:
You forgot to add that your personal choice is to “amortize” the carbon emissions of your SUV by using it to burn even more fossil fuels.
No-one is going to take you seriously on Fossil Fuels (least of all me) until you resile from this nonsense.
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You get personal in the usual vicious way.
I could get personal.
But I won’t.
Just to repeat my general views:
1. We need to stop using fossil fuels.
2. Right now tourism generates 8% of the world’s C02 emissions. This is growing. Most political parties, left or right, support growth in the tourism industry.
3. Until we get to zero fossil fuels, there are personal consumption choices.
4. If enough people make the right consumption choices then that will make a significant difference to the final peak global temperature bearing in mind the hang time for atmospheric CO2. Waiting for governments, corporates or other individuals to act may, or may not be, a cop out.
5. Unlike other industries, tourism is the sum total of personal choices. That is to say, switching off tourism’s CO2 emissions does not depend on government action.
6. There are other global tourism disbenefits: biodiversity loss, homelessness as an opportunity cost, wealth inequality, that are relevant.
7. Because individuals are generally not making the right personal consumption choices and because individuals are all for climate action provided someone else pays, and because individuals in democracies generally vote against parties that will inflict personal pain, and because our various dictators show zero interest in Zero Net Fifty, I believe that we are heading for plus 2.5.
Irenesays:
Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 2:34 pm
What goes around comes around says:
Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 2:20 pm
I believe a rape is more serious than a drink driving charge,
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I wasn’t referring to the drink driving charge. The more serious crime here was the cover up of the drink driving evidence. Which i don’t believe for minute that Henry Bolte has anything to do with. So you were arguing that Shorten may have had political influence over a Victorian police investigation. I was arguing that police would be more likely to cover up a crime by a LNP politician than a Labor politician and gave an example to back that assertion.
The real problem here reflects the lack of real policy debate from our politicians.
Sir Henry Parkes @ #793 Sunday, December 10th, 2023 – 2:46 pm
I reckon we know the real reasons they are doing this, and they have little or nothing to do with politics, since both sides have adopted the same policy.
Traditionally, these reasons came bundled in brown paper envelopes – although I understand that plastic Aldi shopping bags are the modern equivalent, perhaps because the number of reasons has grown so compelling 🙁
Boerwar @ #801 Sunday, December 10th, 2023 – 2:57 pm
So quoting your own posts is considered getting personal?
Hiiiyaaaa! Nice Judo flip!
I hope with Anastasia going that the Queensland Government reverses its terrible, no good awful decision to knock down and rebuild the GABBA.
I like Anastasia, and think she doesn’t get the credit she deserves … but … FMD … THAT particular decision makes the knock down-rebuild of Allianz stadium at Moore Park look positively brilliant … and THAT is currently the high-water mark for shitful stadiums decisions in the country (although the AUKUS Arena stadium in Hobart gives it a run for its money).
The Gabba just needs a cheap and cheerful tart up for the opening and closing ceremonies of the olympics (who cares if those events are capped at 40K of spectators), with the athletics events being shifted to the Gold Coast. Only one legacy structure needs to be built – an indoor swimming multiplex – similar to the one built for the Sydney Olympics (of which Brisbane really doesn’t have one). I am told there is a perfect site for such an arena.
Brisbane 2032 was meant to be the Aldi Games. Using existing stadi and facilities as much as possible, spread out through the state, would really work well: shift the rowing, canoeing and sailing to Hamilton Island (all the accomodation and other facilities are there already, save for some floating pontoons for the rowing and canoe course which could easily be set up between Dent and Hamilton island, adjacent to Northern end of the airport runway).
Other water sports could be situated on either (or both) the Gold Coast and Sunshine Coast (save for the swimming and water polo – which would use the new legacy aquatic centre).
15000 beds of affordable housing could be built (and I think that is the plan now anyways) and repurposed as social housing by November 2032.
Nothing else needs to be built. Bury the bad ideas with Anastasia.
There’s an entry on Twitter that says Samantha Maiden has been sacked from Sky due to her alleged bullying of staff in Sky’s Canberra studio.
Mexicanbeemer @ #803 Sunday, December 10th, 2023 – 2:59 pm
True. It’s difficult to have a real policy debate when both sides clamor to endorse the same policies.
With Palaszczuk departing the longest serving premier is now Malinauskas who has been in the job for less than 2 years. Of course, Andrew Barr has been mayor of Canberra for longer, but it is a territory, not a state.
P1 tries to turn this into something personal as if that will somehow address the issues.
Just to make sure that this is not about either me or P1:
1. We need to stop using fossil fuels.
2. Right now tourism generates 8% of the world’s C02 emissions. This is growing. Most political parties, left or right, support growth in the tourism industry.
3. Until we get to zero fossil fuels, there are personal consumption choices.
4. If enough people make the right consumption choices then that will make a significant difference to the final peak global temperature bearing in mind the hang time for atmospheric CO2. Waiting for governments, corporates or other individuals to act may, or may not be, a cop out.
5. Unlike other industries, tourism is the sum total of personal choices. That is to say, switching off tourism’s CO2 emissions does not depend on government action.
6. There are other global tourism disbenefits: biodiversity loss, homelessness as an opportunity cost, wealth inequality, that are relevant.
7. Because individuals are generally not making the right personal consumption choices and because individuals are all for climate action provided someone else pays, and because individuals in democracies generally vote against parties that will inflict personal pain, and because our various dictators show zero interest in Zero Net Fifty, I believe that we are heading for plus 2.5.
The general issue of whether to wait for the governments to fix things or whether to make personal choices is, of course, a personal choice.
A relevant fact is this: The hang time for today’s tourism CO2 emissions is somewhere between 300 and a 1000 years. Tourism’s global annual emissions of 8% of the total global emissions are cumulative.
‘B.S. Fairman says:
Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 3:14 pm
With Palaszczuk departing the longest serving premier is now Malinauskas who has been in the job for less than 2 years. Of course, Andrew Barr has been mayor of Canberra for longer, but it is a territory, not a state.’
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That’s odd.
When it comes to such matters as the longevity of leaders I don’t count the states because they are not territories.
Boerwar @ #811 Sunday, December 10th, 2023 – 3:19 pm
Hiiiyaaa! Yet another Judo flip – this one worthy of a black belt!
Boerwar says:
Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 2:52 pm
‘Sir Henry Parkes says:
Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 2:46 pm
Whether COP28 in Dubai will achieve anything like a significant cutting of carbon emissions may be irrelevant, according to the London Telegraph writer, Ambrose Evans-Pritchard.
His argument is that increasing investments in and development of renewable technology is displacing fossil fuels and over-taking anything governments might commit to.
“China is rolling out 210 gigawatts of solar power this year, not far short of the entire installation worldwide the year before,” Evans-Pritchard writes. …’
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This fact in isolation is absurd. China is building a new coal-fired power station a week. India has an ambition to increase its coal burning by a quarter of a billion tons a year.
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Yes. China and India are still building coal-fired plants because they don’t want to suffer any energy shortfalls until renewables call fill all their energy needs. Much the same way the Australian government is keeping fossil fuel-powered plants going until renewable energy can take over here too.
It is not in China’s long-term interest to have its cities and rivers choked with even more fossil fuel pollution, nor does China want the United States to beat it to renewable energy super power status.
So yes, China is building more coal-fired plants, but it will abandon them when renewable energy becomes 100% viable.
Andrew_Earlwood says:
Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 2:57 pm
“Calling a poster a “fuckwit” is surely a reason to be removed from the blog.
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Sacrebleu!”
No. On PB it can be offensive, a term of endearment .. or simply an accurate statement of fact.
P1 is talking about judo throws. I assume there is a point.
Just so P1 fails in the efforts to personalize the discussion and to create some deflections, here are my points:
1. We need to stop using fossil fuels.
2. Right now tourism generates 8% of the world’s C02 emissions. This is growing. Most political parties, left or right, support growth in the tourism industry. This is despite tourism’s CO2 emissions having a hang time of 300-1000 years.
3. Until we get to zero fossil fuels, there are personal consumption choices.
4. If enough people make the right consumption choices then that will make a significant difference to the final peak global temperature bearing in mind the hang time for atmospheric CO2. Waiting for governments, corporates or other individuals to act may, or may not be, a cop out.
5. Unlike other industries, tourism is the sum total of personal choices. That is to say, switching off tourism’s CO2 emissions does not depend on government action.
6. There are other global tourism disbenefits: biodiversity loss, homelessness as an opportunity cost, wealth inequality, that are relevant.
7. Because individuals are generally not making the right personal consumption choices and because individuals are all for climate action provided someone else pays, and because individuals in democracies generally vote against parties that will inflict personal pain, and because our various dictators show zero interest in Zero Net Fifty, I believe that we are heading for plus 2.5.
The general issue of whether to wait for the governments to fix things or whether to make personal choices is, of course, a personal choice.
A relevant fact is this: The hang time for today’s tourism CO2 emissions is somewhere between 300 and a 1000 years. Tourism’s global annual emissions of 8% of the total global emissions are cumulative.
Player One says:
Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 3:06 pm
Sir Henry Parkes @ #793 Sunday, December 10th, 2023 – 2:46 pm
At the same time, the government is playing politics by giving the nod to more coal mines and gas wells, probably with the aim of heading off a scare campaign by what remains of the fossil fuels industry, which is still rich and powerful, and still responsible for generating energy most Australians rely on.
I reckon we know the real reasons they are doing this, and they have little or nothing to do with politics, since both sides have adopted the same policy.
Traditionally, these reasons came bundled in brown paper envelopes – although I understand that plastic Aldi shopping bags are the modern equivalent, perhaps because the number of reasons has grown so compelling
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You have no evidence to support such a claim as brown paper bags, so I won’t bother commenting on that.
It is also ridiculous to say that Labor and the Coalition have the same climate policy.
Labor has committed to a much steeper reduction in emissions. Whether that target is reached, we will have to wait and see.
Labor in government has also committed to 82% of the grid being powered by renewables by 2030, which is why the government is backing the installation of renewable technology such as wind turbines along the east coast and the building of transmission lines to carry that energy.
Labor would not be doing this if it had the same climate policy as the Coalition.
Anastasia did as well as any Labor Premier can do in Qld. Well done on her election wins, and good luck with her future. My advice, don’t become the media face of some shit industry.
Sir Henry Parkes says:
Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 3:29 pm
Boerwar says:
Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 2:52 pm
‘Sir Henry Parkes says:
Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 2:46 pm
Whether COP28 in Dubai will achieve anything like a significant cutting of carbon emissions may be irrelevant, according to the London Telegraph writer, Ambrose Evans-Pritchard.
His argument is that increasing investments in and development of renewable technology is displacing fossil fuels and over-taking anything governments might commit to.
“China is rolling out 210 gigawatts of solar power this year, not far short of the entire installation worldwide the year before,” Evans-Pritchard writes. …’
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This fact in isolation is absurd. China is building a new coal-fired power station a week. India has an ambition to increase its coal burning by a quarter of a billion tons a year.
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Yes. China and India are still building coal-fired plants because they don’t want to suffer any energy shortfalls until renewables call fill all their energy needs….’
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Tricky assumptions abound in that article.
The main issue I have is a lack of context and a general lack of relevant facts. China’s coal-fired power stations will be putting CO2 emissions into the atmosphere for the next how many decades, exactly? Always bearing in mind that our paltry 9 coal fired power stations will be dead, buried and cremated by sometime in the mid thirties.
I have pointed out some germane issues. Others I have left out. The notion that somehow we can all go home because governments are going to be forced by industry and consumers gobbling up new technology to reach Zero Net Fifty whether the governments like it or not is, IMO, faintly absurd.
I see Andy and Yabba as figures of amusement and pity in equal measure.
Still there’s a troubling underlying pathology. But it’s Williams blog as to whom he ultimately chooses to tolerate or not.
One for Bludger’s mass transit and transport aficionados.
https://citynews.com.au/2023/next-stage-of-light-rail-to-cost-577-million/?utm_source=mailpoet&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=canberra-daily-today-s-news-today_7801
This may be the straw that breaks Barr’s political back.
Player One @ #823 Sunday, December 10th, 2023 – 3:27 pm
Another prime example of the rubbish that spoils this site. Sorry both can be interesting posters.
Selby thinks Tasmania is in something of a constitutional crisis with parliament pursuing a judge. I know nothing about it.
https://citynews.com.au/2023/high-risks-as-parliament-pursues-judge/?utm_source=mailpoet&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=canberra-daily-today-s-news-today_7801
Player One @ #803 Sunday, December 10th, 2023 – 3:06 pm
All the money is invested in fossil fuels.
An example: Michelle O’Neil (ACTU) representing the Labor aligned unions and Innes Willox (AiG) representing business are among other ACTU and AiG reps who make up the board of AustralianSuper.
AustralianSuper is one of the top 5 shareholders in Woodside.
AustralianSuper also owns 17% of Origin Energy. AustralianSuper recently stopped a takeover bid by Brookfield who planned to invest $30B on renewables/storage.
Kerry Stokes (SWM) has large investments in Woodside.
The fossil fuel cartel at work.
An article on the trajectory of EV sales in Australia. I know nothing about it. The headline does not inspire hope:
https://citynews.com.au/2023/why-fossil-fuel-cars-may-dominate-for-another-decade/?utm_source=mailpoet&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=canberra-daily-today-s-news-today_7801
Boerwarsays:
Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 3:51 pm
Selby thinks Tasmania is in something of a constitutional crisis with parliament pursuing a judge. I know nothing about it.
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It’s stinky, I’ll post more about it tomorrow when I’m at a computer and not my phone
laughtong
P1 is not all that interested in debating the merits of the tourism industry so we get judo throws and the like.
Just so that P1’s personal attacks and deflections doe not actually work as intended I will repeat what triggered P1:
1. We need to stop using fossil fuels.
2. Right now tourism generates 8% of the world’s C02 emissions. This is growing. Most political parties, left or right, support growth in the tourism industry. This is despite tourism’s CO2 emissions having a hang time of 300-1000 years.
3. Until we get to zero fossil fuels, there are personal consumption choices.
4. If enough people make the right consumption choices then that will make a significant difference to the final peak global temperature bearing in mind the hang time for atmospheric CO2. Waiting for governments, corporates or other individuals to act may, or may not be, a cop out.
5. Unlike other industries, tourism is the sum total of personal choices. That is to say, switching off tourism’s CO2 emissions does not depend on government action.
6. There are other global tourism disbenefits: biodiversity loss, homelessness as an opportunity cost, wealth inequality, that are relevant.
7. Because individuals are generally not making the right personal consumption choices and because individuals are all for climate action provided someone else pays, and because individuals in democracies generally vote against parties that will inflict personal pain, and because our various dictators show zero interest in Zero Net Fifty, I believe that we are heading for plus 2.5.
The general issue of whether to wait for the governments to fix things or whether to make personal choices is, of course, a personal choice.
A relevant fact is this: The hang time for today’s tourism CO2 emissions is somewhere between 300 and a 1000 years. Tourism’s global annual emissions of 8% of the total global emissions are cumulative.
MI
Thanks. I am curious.
I see that Yemen is getting involved in the middle east shitshow.
The world is on the brink…
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Player Onesays:
Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 10:46 am
More George Monbiot. Is great wealth actually a sign of mental illness?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/nov/29/cop28-billionaires-blocking-action-save-planet-protest
Money buys isolation. It allows people to wall themselves off from others, in their mansions, yachts and private jets, not just physically but also cognitively, stifling awareness of their social and environmental impacts, shutting out other people’s concerns and challenges. Great wealth encourages a sense of entitlement and egotism. It seems to suppress trust, empathy and generosity. Affluence also appears to diminish people’s interest in looking after their own children. If any other condition generated these symptoms, we would call it a mental illness. Perhaps this is how extreme wealth should be classified.
You only have to look at the holders of great wealth here in Australia, to immediately see that the answer is a resounding “Yes!”
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My thoughts exactly (as expressed by (GM)
Sorry to see AP retire. I was always a fan: she was excellent at walking the tightrope that State Premiers must constantly walk.
Whether her replacement is Miles or Dick, it’s nice to see Labor being in a position to reverse its dishonourable tradition of replacing a male Premier with a female just as everything is going down the tube (think Carmen Lawrence, Joan Kirner, Lara Giddings, Kristina Keneally: have I missed any?)
@meher baba
Don’t speak too soon Courier Mail are reporting that Steven Miles is no sure bet to take over despite the endorsement of Annastacia Palaszczuk. And Shannon Fentiman has significant support. In fact Keppel state MP Britney Lauga has put out a statement supporting her tilt to be leader. I wouldn’t compare this situation in Queensland to some of the other examples you have listed. If you think the LNP are all but certain to win the next Queensland state election you are dreaming.
“Ms Lauga, in an extraordinary statement, said Ms Palaszczuk had been a great leader of Queensland as well as a “mentor and friend”.
“I’ve sent her my best wishes this morning following her resignation. I’ll be supporting our amazing Health Minister Shannon Fentiman because I truly believe she is the best person for the job,” she said.
“Shannon listens, understands and acts. She is also the best problem solver in the government.”
https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/qld-politics/who-should-be-queenslands-next-premier-leadership-showdown-looms-after-annastacia-palaszczuks-resignation/news-story/b1a093c02cfc383381f30429d3536075
@ L’arse:
“ I see Andy and Yabba as figures of amusement and pity in equal measure.
Still there’s a troubling underlying pathology.”
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Such criticism is autobiographical.
Lars Von Triersays:
Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 3:47 pm
I see Andy and Yabba as figures of amusement and pity in equal measure.
Still there’s a troubling underlying pathology. But it’s Williams blog as to whom he ultimately chooses to tolerate or not.
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True, though if i was a kindergarten teacher and this was my kindergarten. The conversation would go something like this.
Teacher: Andy just because Stevie said something crass, you don’t need to yell it across the class. Now you Stephen Harold Gascoigne you need to stop making rude comments. Now children lets play nicely from now on.
“Who’s the more crass? The one who made the statement or those that chose to repeat it and weaponize it ?”
Though it does remind me of how the MSM like to play. Anything that is said that is crude or crass gets amplified and weaponized by our media. Any reasonable intelligent argument tends to be ignored.
Boerwar says:
Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 3:46 pm
The notion that somehow we can all go home because governments are going to be forced by industry and consumers gobbling up new technology to reach Zero Net Fifty whether the governments like it or not is, IMO, faintly absurd.
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I don’t think we can all go home and rest on the assumption that market forces and new technology are going to get us to net-zero all by themselves. We all have to keep the pressure on governments and corporations, as well as do what little we can in our own lives to cut emissions.
But I don’t think it’s being Pollyannaish to point out that there are vast advances in renewable energy and that smart money is backing it. For God’s sake don’t get complacent, but don’t go all Hanrahan either and moan that nothing can be done.
We owe it to ourselves and the next generations to keep up the fight.
Thank you, Annastacia Palaszczuk.
All leadership outcomes are on-balance.
On balance you have done a good job.
Boerwar @ #827 Sunday, December 10th, 2023 – 3:56 pm
Sure. I am going to debate the merits of the tourism industry with someone who conflates tourism with fossil fuels and who believes driving a fossil fuelled SUV is going to “amortize” their carbon emissions.
As for your Judo skills, I am sure I am not the only one here who admires your expertise.
re Annastacia’s goodbye……
I am truly humbled along with all the other PBers to be blessed with such enthralling news such as AP going out now to sock it to the Fed Labor government and that Chalmers and AP hated each other – wow!
Who needs Coalition propaganda when we have sources of such information…..they must have deep insider knowledge of the Labor Party.
I sense a strong smell of BS.
Sir Henry Parkes says:
Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 4:09 pm
Boerwar says:
Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 3:46 pm
The notion that somehow we can all go home because governments are going to be forced by industry and consumers gobbling up new technology to reach Zero Net Fifty whether the governments like it or not is, IMO, faintly absurd.
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But I don’t think it’s being Pollyannaish to point out that there are vast advances in renewable energy and that smart money is backing it. For God’s sake don’t get complacent, but don’t go all Hanrahan either and moan that nothing can be done.
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One reason I reacted to that article in the way I did was that it is basically a restatement of one of the very early arguments by the do-nothings: ‘technology will sort it’. That remains to be seen, IMO.
The poison pill is this: ‘How long will technology take to sort it?’ Far too late, IMO.
I hope that there is no-one on Bludger moaning that nothing can be done. We could shut down tourism tomorrow. That would be 8% reduction in emissions right there and would be a massive step towards a general ACTUAL downwards break in the global emissions graph.
Inter alia, this would give us some breathing space while we tackle the seriously technically difficult stuff like how to fit 2.5 billion domestic animals into something that looks like Zero Net Fifty and how to make planes as well as make them fly with zero emissions.
As for the rational balance between Polyanna and Hanrahan, were I a bettor I would be taking plus 2.5 over plus 1.5 for the reasons I have outlined above.
This is what P1 does not want to discuss:
1. We need to stop using fossil fuels.
2. Right now tourism generates 8% of the world’s C02 emissions. This is growing. Most political parties, left or right, support growth in the tourism industry. This is despite tourism’s CO2 emissions having a hang time of 300-1000 years.
3. Until we get to zero fossil fuels, there are personal consumption choices.
4. If enough people make the right consumption choices then that will make a significant difference to the final peak global temperature bearing in mind the hang time for atmospheric CO2. Waiting for governments, corporates or other individuals to act may, or may not be, a cop out.
5. Unlike other industries, tourism is the sum total of personal choices. That is to say, switching off tourism’s CO2 emissions does not depend on government action.
6. There are other global tourism disbenefits: biodiversity loss, homelessness as an opportunity cost, wealth inequality, that are relevant.
7. Because individuals are generally not making the right personal consumption choices and because individuals are all for climate action provided someone else pays, and because individuals in democracies generally vote against parties that will inflict personal pain, and because our various dictators show zero interest in Zero Net Fifty, I believe that we are heading for plus 2.5.
The general issue of whether to wait for the governments to fix things or whether to make personal choices is, of course, a personal choice.
A relevant fact is this: The hang time for today’s tourism CO2 emissions is somewhere between 300 and a 1000 years. Tourism’s global annual emissions of 8% of the total global emissions are cumulative.
Lars Von Trier @ #819 Sunday, December 10th, 2023 – 3:47 pm
I see Lars Von Trier as a person of such deep and abiding insincerity that it is difficult to assess the motivation behind any of his posts. If one assumes that it is malicious then one will rarely be wrong.
There’s a troubling underlying pathology.
The Houthis have joined China in taking a practical hand in Bludger’s ‘freedumb of navigation’ policy discussions.
Post up on Annastacia Palaszczuk’s departure:
https://www.pollbludger.net/2023/12/10/annastacia-palaszczuk-resigns/
My general preference is for Bludgers not to resort to ‘rational’ cases based on the supposed mental health of other Bludgers.
Bludgers over the years have been open and honest about personal struggles in that domain.
Labor’s answer to Dutton half arsed radioactive global warming solution should be to have a dedicated information / pr program extolling the developments in Green Energy around the world.. they can’t rely on News, Smh 9 , 7 , ABC et al disinformation units to do it.
https://www.blackridgeresearch.com/blog/top-wind-turbine-manufacturers-makers-companies-suppliers
https://interestingengineering.com/innovation/siemens-gamesa-wind-turbine-blade-377-feet
Sir Henry Parkes @ #817 Sunday, December 10th, 2023 – 3:41 pm
They may have different rhetoric, but they have essentially the same policy. The key policy here is known as the “Safeguard Mechanism”, which is the primary mechanism Australia intends to use to meet its “net zero” commitment. Sounds good, doesn’t it? But what the mechanism “safeguards” is of course the biggest C02 emitters. In case you are not across the details, the Safeguard Mechanism does not actually require them to reduce emissions. At all. Ever. What it requires them to do is buy carbon credits for emissions over their assigned baseline. And the carbon credit system is awash with dodgy credits available at low, low prices.
Even it it were a well-designed and well-regulated scheme rather than an elaborate piece of political subterfuge (it was, after all, designed by the COALition) Australia is not on track to meeting its goals.
Astro Turf @2.22
What are your talking about here?
“Four Labor leaders ‘down’……..”
What, are you saying that after 5-10 years (longer for some), the retirement of long-standing and effective leaders is some kind of failure? Does this just apply to one side of politics or both?
Your claim about a party being “morally bankrupt” unfortunately cuts both ways for your point of view, as it is clear after 9 years of LNP government – Abbott-Turnbull and then, culminating in Morrison, the electorate had clearly made up its mind which of the two major parties were “morally bankrupt”. Back in the day when Abbott was rolled, it was reported that when this was announced by a pilot on an interstate flight to passengers they all cheered. Now this may well be a piece of unsubstantiated rubbish but you get my drift.
That the LNP does politics better than Labor is an interesting conclusion to draw when only one major jurisdiction – Tasmania – has an LNP government for the whole of Oz.
I don’t know what you learned at Uni, but maybe some elements of clear thinking were missing.
That’s the third time you have posted exactly the same listicle, Bore.
Are we supposed to be impressed because you can cut and paste?
This is the substance of what P1 does not want to discuss but does want to denigrate:
1. We need to stop using fossil fuels.
2. Right now tourism generates 8% of the world’s C02 emissions. This is growing. Most political parties, left or right, support growth in the tourism industry. This is despite tourism’s CO2 emissions having a hang time of 300-1000 years. Yep. That’s right. Today’s tourism consumption may still be affecting people and wildlife in a thousand years.
3. Until we get to zero fossil fuels, which may be some time, there are personal consumption choices in relation to tourism.
4. If enough people make the right consumption choices then that will make a significant difference to the final peak global temperature bearing in mind the hang time for atmospheric CO2. Waiting for governments, corporates or other individuals to act may, or may not be, a cop out.
5. Unlike other industries, tourism is the sum total of personal choices. That is to say, switching off tourism’s CO2 emissions does not depend on government action.
6. There are other global tourism disbenefits: biodiversity loss, homelessness as an opportunity cost, wealth inequality, that are relevant.
7. Because individuals are generally not making the right personal consumption choices and because individuals are all for climate action provided someone else pays, and because individuals in democracies generally vote against parties that will inflict personal pain, and because our various dictators show zero interest in Zero Net Fifty, I believe that we are heading for plus 2.5.
The general issue of whether to wait for the governments to fix things or whether to make personal choices is, of course, a personal choice.
A relevant fact is this: The hang time for today’s tourism CO2 emissions is somewhere between 300 and a 1000 years. Tourism’s global annual emissions of 8% of the total global emissions are cumulative.
Tourism globally also impacts biodiversity, homelessness, and is an expression of the world’s wealth maldistribution.
By one of those not-a-coincidence convergence of trends, tourism and CO2 emissions graphs broadly follow the same trajectory since WW2. There are some bumps and humps, of course. Covid cut a cruel swathe through tourism, for example. Note the use of the dreaded term ‘exponential’….
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2019/jul/01/global-tourism-hits-record-highs-but-who-goes-where-on-holiday
Four times now, Bore.
What the heck – go for the record! (which I think is already yours anyway) 🙂