New Year miscellany: Dunkley by-election, preselection and polling round-up (open thread)

First reports emerge of preselection contenders for the looming Dunkley by-election, plus state polls from Victoria and Queensland and much else besides.

First up, developments ahead of the Dunkley by-election, which Rachel Baxendale of The Australian reported yesterday was “unlikely to be held before late February”:

• A Liberal preselection ballot scheduled for January 14 is expected to include Frankston mayor Nathan Conroy; Donna Hope, who as Donna Bauer held the state seat of Carrum from 2010 to 2014 and is now an electorate officer to Chris Crewther, former federal member for Dunkley and now state member for Mornington; Bec Buchanan, another staffer to Crewther and the party’s state candidate for Carrum in 2022; and Sorrento real estate agent David Burgess, who was on the party’s Legislative Council ticket for Eastern Victoria in 2022.

Paul Sakkal of The Age today reports the widower of the late Labor member Peta Murphy, Rod Glover, is being encouraged to seek preselection by “senior Labor figures”. The report describes Glover as a “respected former staffer to Kevin Rudd, university professor and public policy expert”. Also mentioned in Rachel Baxendale’s report were Madison Child, an “international relations and public policy graduate in her mid twenties who grew up in Frankston”, and has lately worked as an electorate officer to Murphy; Georgia Fowler, a local nurse who ran in Mornington at the November 2022 state election; and Joshua Sinclair, chief executive of the Committee for Frankston and Mornington Peninsula.

Other preselection news:

• Tim Wilson has confirmed he will seek Liberal preselection to recover the Melbourne seat of Goldstein following his defeat at the hands of teal independent Zoe Daniel in 2022. Paul Sakkal of The Age reports he is “unlikely to face a challenger”.

Lydia Lynch of The Australian today reports nominations for Liberal National Party preselection will close on January 15 in the inner Brisbane seat of Ryan, which the party lost to Elizabeth Watson-Brown of the Greens in 2022, and the Gold Coast seat of McPherson, which will be vacated with the retirement of Karen Andrews. The front-runner in the former case is said to be Maggie Forrest, barrister and the party’s honorary legal adviser. In addition to the previously identified Ben Naday, Leon Rebello and David Stevens in McPherson (the first two being rated the front-runners) is Adam Fitzgibbons, head of public affairs at Coles. Party insiders are said to be “increasingly concerned” about the emergence of a “McPherson Matters” group that is preparing a teal independent bid for the seat.

Lily McCaffrey of the Herald-Sun reports Emanuele Cicchiello, deputy principal Lighthouse Christian College deputy principal, has been preselected as Liberal candidate for Aston, the Melbourne seat that was lost to the party in a historic by-election result on April 1. Cicchiello ran unsuccessfully in Bruce in 2013 and has made numerous other bids for preselection.

• Rochelle Pattison, chair of Transgender Victoria and director of corporate finance firm Chimaera Capital, has nominated for Liberal preselection in Kooyong, joining an existing field consisting of Amelia Hamer, Susan Morris and Michael Flynn.

• The New South Wales Liberal Party website records two unheralded federal election candidates in Sam Kayal, a local accountant who will again run in Werriwa following an unsuccessful bid in 2022, and Katie Mullens, conservative-aligned solicitor at Barrak Lawyers who ran for the state seat of Parramatta in March and has now been preselected for the federal seat of the same name.

Polling news:

• The Courier-Mail sought to read the temperature of Queensland politics post-Annastacia Palaszczuk without breaking the budget by commissioning a uComms robopoll, crediting the Liberal National Party opposition with a two-party lead of 51-49. The only detail provided on primary votes was that the LNP was on 36.2% and Labor 34.4% – no indication was provided as to whether this was exclusive of the uncommitted, which is often not the case withuComms. Steven Miles was viewed positively by 42.7% and negatively by 27.6%, with only the positive rating of 37.8% provided for David Crisafulli. A forced response question on preferred premier had Crisafulli leading Miles by 52.2-47.8. True to the Courier-Mail style guide, the report on this unremarkable set of numbers included the words “startling”, “explosive”, “whopping” and “stunning”. The initial report on Tuesday was accompanied by a hook to a follow-up that promised to tell “who Queenslanders really wanted as Annastacia Palaszczuk’s replacement”. The answer was revealed the next day to be Steven Miles, favoured by 37.8% over Shannon Fentiman on 35.0% and Cameron Dick on 27.1%. The poll was conducted December 21 and 22 from a sample of 1911.

• RedBridge Group has a poll of Victorian state voting intention showing Labor leading 55.9-44.1, little different to the 55.0-45.0 result at the November 2022 election. The primary votes are Labor 37% (36.7% at the election), Coalition 36% (34.5%) and Greens 13% (11.5%). Extensive further results include leadership ratings inclusive of “neither approve nor disapprove” option that find Jacinta Allan viewed positively by 24%, negatively by 30% and neutrally by 32%, John Pesutto at 16% positive, 36% neutral and 29% negative, and Greens leader Samantha Ratnam at 14% positive, 29% neutral and 35% negative. The poll was conducted December 2 to 12 from a sample of 2026.

• Nine Newspapers published results from Resolve Strategic on Thursday on whether various politicians were viewed positively, neutrally, negatively or not at all, which it had held back from its last national poll nearly a month ago. Whereas a similar recent exercise by Roy Morgan simply invited respondents to identify politicians they did and didn’t trust, this one took the to-my-mind more useful approach of presenting respondents with a set list of forty names. In the federal sphere, the five most positively rated were Penny Wong (net 14%, meaning the difference between her positive and negative results), Jacqui Lambie (10%), Jacinta Price (6%), David Pocock (5%) and Tanya Plibersek (3%). The lowest were Scott Morrison (minus 35%), Lidia Thorpe (minus 29%, a particularly remarkable result given what was presumably modest name recognition), Barnaby Joyce (minus 27%), Pauline Hanson (minus 25%) and, interestingly, Bob Katter (minus 15%). Of state leaders, Chris Minns (plus 14%) and David Crisafulli (plus 9%) did notably well, and John Pesutto (minus 7%) and the since-departed Annastacia Palaszczuk (minus 17%) notably poorly. The poll was conducted November 29 to December 3 from a sample of 1605.

Author: William Bowe

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, has existed in one form or another since 2004, and is one of the most heavily trafficked websites on Australian politics.

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  1. If they want to call it an invasion then it’s quite reasonable to state that they lost and it’s time to accept that and get on with the current reality – including dropping the stupidity of the claim that sovereignty was never ceded. It was because they lost the invasion. Australian courts through the Wik and Mabo decisions confirmed this by acknowledging that Native Title tenure is a different form of tenure to other forms such as freehold tenure.

    It really is boring – especially the “burn it down” stuff that comes out each year and then gets “rolled back” – misquoted – that’s not what it means etc.

  2. FUBARsays:
    Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 3:59 pm
    Entropy

    I really don’t give a flying fuck for your point scoring. More interested in the here and now and the future.

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    Good to know it doesn’t bother you. As i have a little more to say on the issue.

    Any Government serious about Age Care doesn’t make Bronwyn Bishop Minister for Age Care. You only put the equivalent of Nurse Ratched in charge of anything if you want it to be run like a concentration camp and not like a caring and compassionate place to dwell.

  3. Macarthur

    I’m not disagreeing with you on that.

    I’m far more hawkish on Ukraine than any of you. Putin won’t go nuclear over Ukraine. NATO should have put a no fly zone over the whole of Ukraine from the get go and given them a week to pull out and then started an air campaign against all Russian targets inside Ukraine. And, even without that – we should be sending massive amounts of equipment and ammunition with no restrictions on use.

  4. -FUBAR says:
    Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 4:18 pm

    If they want to call it an invasion then it’s quite reasonable to state that they lost…’
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    LOL. They don’t believe you.

  5. Fubar

    Shove off. I am criticising a Pom for suggesting a Western Australian should be like a mediocre Qlder.

    Bancroft freezes on the big stage.

  6. Boerwar

    Exactly how hasn’t the invasion been lost?

    Does the existence of Neo-Nazis in Europe deny the success of the Allies in WWII?

    WTF?

  7. Fubar

    Lots of stuff have been covered up over the years. With time, so many theories are put forward. The real cause ends up being part of the many theories.

    It’s quite easy really.

  8. ‘FUBAR says:
    Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 4:31 pm

    Boerwar

    Exactly how hasn’t the invasion been lost?

    Does the existence of Neo-Nazis in Europe deny the success of the Allies in WWII?

    WTF?’
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    If there is no treaty and no total genocide then there is no success for the Invasion. The Invasion continues. The resistance to the Invasion continues.
    Which is why Rightard History Deniers pay such special and sustained attention to assimilation.
    They’re failing at that as well.
    As you were.

  9. FUBARsays:
    Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 4:18 pm
    If they want to call it an invasion then it’s quite reasonable to state that they lost and it’s time to accept that and get on with the current reality – including dropping the stupidity of the claim that sovereignty was never ceded. It was because they lost the invasion. Australian courts through the Wik and Mabo decisions confirmed this by acknowledging that Native Title tenure is a different form of tenure to other forms such as freehold tenure.

    It really is boring – especially the “burn it down” stuff that comes out each year and then gets “rolled back” – misquoted – that’s not what it means etc.
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    Many Aboriginal Australians accept they can’t go back to 1788 but that is why they want a treaty and their existence recognised.

  10. When looking at performances, so status in the game, I look at player’s records in Ashes contests because the opposition is consistently at a standard.

    Hayden in Ashes Tests made 1,461 runs at 45.65

    Immediately above Hayden for runs made is Watson with 1,487 runs at 42.48.

    Watson played 19 Ashes Tests v Hayden playing 20 Ashes Tests.

    Watson frequently opened the batting across those 20 Ashes Tests (noting that he had Clarke as Captain, Clarke an impediment to Watson’s career – and others – because of the ego of Clarke)

    By extension I would offer that if Watson was an ordinary player then so was Hayden.

    The problem Australia has post Warner is that particularly Bancroft (and Handscomb) and also Harris and Renshaw have technical deficiencies exposed at Test level, hence their Test averages.

    The Test selectors also look at technique.

    There was a list on the TV coverage today of those Warner has opened with at Test level.

    It is an extensive list.

    There is a history of lower order batsmen then opening the innings.

    When I was a kid, with the access I had, I recall Bradman congratulating Stackpole for batting thru a day to save an Ashes Test, adding that he (Bradman) did not think Stackpole could bat an entire day.

    Stackpole was a middle order player in Shield cricket before graduating to opening at Test level.

    And the fix to Test cricket is to reverse the influence of India and their Board.

    In fact, not just in regard Test cricket.

  11. Mexicanbeemer

    It is a legal fiction. There is no Nation for the Nation of Australia to make a treaty with. Australian citizens making a treaty with themselves?

    Some people say that the Land Rights agreement between the West Australian government and the Nyoongar people is a type of treaty. I don’t have a problem with that – it’s an opinion but the agreement is within the legal framework of our nation’s land rights legislation. But even then – States don’t make Treaties – unless we are going to play the “change the definition” game.

    To claim their existence isn’t recognised denies the reality.

  12. My goodness an entire day of nonsensical outrage about possible aged care reform recommendations! Did none of you actually read the reports in today’s media?

    Of course not. It’s much more satisfying for PB trolls and Liberal stooges to just skip past the inconvenient facts and go straight to an opinion about what is going to happen with aged care based on their own anti-Labor tendencies.

    But for those of you who want facts. An aged care taskforce the government has established has produced a report which recommends some structural changes to the way aged care is funded going forward. This report will be released this month so you can see the detailed recommendations for yourself. This was made clear in today’s news reporting.

    What we know from reporting (and even this isn’t fact) is that introducing greater equity in how people are charged for aged care is a recommendation of the task force. For anyone who wants to see progressive policy this should be music to your ears. It is unfair that a single pensioner living in a one bedroom apartment worth $500K is being considered asset wise for aged care in the same way as a self funded retiree living in a $3M+ property is.

    And to those of you having apoplexy about this, how many of you were in favour of the mining super profits tax the Gillard government introduced? How many of you advocated the Howard government introduce such a tax? It’s this kind of taxation structure that enables the government to fund things like aged care. But alas, you all went out screaming into the night rending your garments about the RSPT or applauded the Howard government giving it all away in baby bonuses, and here we are with nothing to show from our mining boom.

    Or gold boom, of which the Howard government divested Australia of at highway robbery low return prices.

  13. “ If there is no treaty and no total genocide then there is no success for the Invasion. The Invasion continues. The resistance to the Invasion continues.”

    Australia is one of the most successful nations in the world. Any argument that the “invasion” wasn’t successful denies reality.

    Giving credence to fringe Aboriginal activists on sovereignty not being ceded is as stupid as giving any credence to the “sovereign citizens” idiots.

    The invasion was successful. They lost. Australia is a completely different nation today. Time to get on with reality. Stop the victimhood mentality. That doesn’t mean their culture is denied – people can live how they wish within the laws of the land. I encourage Aboriginal people to connect with their cultures and develop pride in it and develop their youth within it. There are massive benefits from having a sense of belonging. But accept the reality of where we are and where we are going.

    I suppose you think Argentinia actually owns the Falkland Islands? No?

  14. “By extension I would offer that if Watson was an ordinary player then so was Hayden.”

    Hayden’s test average is 15 runs more than Watson’s and he scored 30 test centuries versus four for Watson.

    Watson’s average is bloated by making 176 at the Oval in 2013 when we were 0-3 down in the series and 102 at Perth, also in 2013, when we led by 550.

    The technical stuff is correct. Bancroft and Handscomb, like Watson, cannot defend their stumps against higher quality bowling.

    The openers issue will be like spin bowlers between Warne and Lyon. We just have to wait for the great Sam Konstas (18) to arrive. Only problem – he is managed by Shane Watson.

  15. FUBARsays:
    Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 5
    The invasion was successful. They lost. Australia is a completely different nation today. Time to get on with reality. Stop the victimhood mentality. That doesn’t mean their culture is denied – people can live how they wish within the laws of the land. I encourage Aboriginal people to connect with their cultures and develop pride in it and develop their youth within it. There are massive benefits from having a sense of belonging. But accept the reality of where we are and where we are going.

    I suppose you think Argentinia actually owns the Falkland Islands? No?

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    Pretty sure the first peoples to colonise Falkland Islands came from Scotland and not Argentina though. So the indigenous culture of Falkland Islands would be Scottish.

  16. Boerwar says:
    Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 4:54 pm

    “They’re failing at that as well.”

    How’d that Referendum work for you?

  17. FUBARsays:
    Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 5:28 pm
    Bugger me – the SNP want the Falklands now? They can barely manage the Orkneys.

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    Can you find an earlier claim, for people living there?.

    The Scottish searched the world for somewhere colder and wetter than Scotland. In the Falklands they finally found that paradise they had been searching for.

  18. ‘FUBAR says:
    Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 5:16 pm

    If there is no treaty and no total genocide then there is no success for the Invasion. The Invasion continues. The resistance to the Invasion continues.
    …’
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    Thus there an unresolved issue that Rightards continue to try, and fail, to resolve.

    Their attempts at assimilation have failed for 250 years.

    Indigenous people are still there. The resistance to the Invasion continues. There is no treaty.

    The unimaginable is real.

  19. ‘FUBAR says:
    Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 5:23 pm

    Boerwar says:
    Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 4:54 pm

    “They’re failing at that as well.”

    How’d that Referendum work for you’
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    The referendum failed you. There is no treaty, no assimilation and no total genocide then there is no success for the Invasion. The Invasion continues. The resistance to the Invasion continues.

  20. Your continuous posting here is really very sad and very boring.

    Says the guy who has posted 17 times in the past 2 hours, compared to my 1, and whose famous last words before he blew back in like a needy hypocritical hurricane were, wtte, that it was beneath him to stick around. Lol.

    Oh, and to the recondite basis for your latest excuse for a reply to my comment to you, being, what would I know about these things I’ve never owned an aged care facility like your family has? Let me just reiterate for someone who appears to have trouble with comprehension themselves, that my response to you was based upon your comment that exemplified your meanness of spirit, of which we are all well aware from past experience with you, that you stated that the pay rise for Aged Care Workers was ‘massive’, when all it did was bring some of the most poorly paid and hardest working workers in our society up to par with workers in the NDIS. However, I get it now, greedy bastards like you who are on the other side of the equation, milking Aged Care for all you can get out of it, would see the pay rise as ‘massive’. So I apologise for mistaking you. 😐

  21. Cat

    My family hasn’t owned aged care facilities. Once again your comprehension skills are very poor. We had a business that was linked to Aged Care. I have invested in publicly listed shares.

    15% was a massive pay rise by anyone’s standard in the Australian workplace – that’s just a fact – not a value judgement about the appropriateness.

    As for the quantum of my posting versus yours – OMG – one afternoon from me versus how much from you? You’re a joke.

  22. Boerwar says:

    The referendum failed you. There is no treaty, no assimilation and no total genocide then there is no success for the Invasion. The Invasion continues. The resistance to the Invasion continues.
    __________
    All it takes is the arrival of FUBAR for BW to sound like Lidia Thorpe. 🙂

  23. The referendum failed me?

    Yeah-nah.

    According to Albo it wasn’t even a loss for him – which is pretty fucking impressive given it was his victory speech commitment. Did anyone actually believe that bullshit from Albo? Anyone?

  24. FUBAR @ #1570 Thursday, January 4th, 2024 – 5:16 pm

    “ If there is no treaty and no total genocide then there is no success for the Invasion. The Invasion continues. The resistance to the Invasion continues.”

    Australia is one of the most successful nations in the world. Any argument that the “invasion” wasn’t successful denies reality.

    Giving credence to fringe Aboriginal activists on sovereignty not being ceded is as stupid as giving any credence to the “sovereign citizens” idiots.

    The invasion was successful. They lost. Australia is a completely different nation today. Time to get on with reality. Stop the victimhood mentality. That doesn’t mean their culture is denied – people can live how they wish within the laws of the land. I encourage Aboriginal people to connect with their cultures and develop pride in it and develop their youth within it. There are massive benefits from having a sense of belonging. But accept the reality of where we are and where we are going.

    Interesting take on the subject of treaty, Invasion and smarmy gits in Wikipedia.
    Maybe that’s why many of us agree that the UK and it’s heirs and successors screwed over the First nations of the great Southern Land and still are.
    “John Batman (21 January 1801 – 6 May 1839) was an Australian grazier, entrepreneur and explorer. He is best known for his role in the founding of Melbourne.

    Born and raised in the then-British colony of New South Wales, Batman settled in Van Diemen’s Land (modern-day Tasmania) in the 1820s, where he rose to prominence for hunting bushrangers and leading massacres of Aboriginal people in the Black War.

    He later co-founded the Port Phillip Association and led an expedition which explored the Port Phillip area on the Australian mainland with the goal of establishing a new settlement. In 1835, Batman negotiated a treaty with Aboriginal people in Port Phillip by offering them tools, blankets and food in exchange for thousands of hectares of land. However, the treaty was declared void by the government and it has been disputed by Aboriginal descendants. This expedition ultimately resulted in the founding of Melbourne, eventual capital of Victoria and one of Australia’s largest and most important cities. Batman moved to the colony with his convict wife, Elizabeth Callaghan, and their seven daughters, settling on what is now known as Batman’s Hill. He died of syphilis shortly afterwards at the age of 38.

    Batman’s treaty stands as the only attempt by a European to engage Australian Aboriginal people in a treaty or transaction rather than simply claiming land outright. However, Batman’s motives and the validity of the treaty remain of great historical interest and debate. “

  25. FUBAR,
    It’s not my comprehension ability, or lack thereof, it’s YOUR poor grammatical ability wrt sentence construction. So, try and tell me that this doesn’t sound like your family owned an Aged Care business:

    I have been involved directly and indirectly in Aged Care Facilities since I was a child through our family business.

    ‘Directly involved’, ‘through our family business’, without qualification, which you did not provide, usually refers to ownership. As you didn’t qualify what you meant, you can’t blame me for thinking as I did. Though you keep manfully trying to distract by commenting on other trivial points, as you attempt to shift the goalposts away from my valid initial criticism of your comment to the effect that the pay rise that Aged Care Workers received was ‘massive’. When it was nothing of the sort. Unless, of course, you are an acolyte of Gina Reinhart and her $2/day dictum for workers who weren’t born with a silver mine excavator in their mouths? And then I guess it was a ‘massive’ wage increase and I grant you your point. 😐

  26. I don’t think Cameron Green is a mediocre player by any means. Nor was Watson; so, unless the benchmark for test all rounders is set at the high standards of say a Sobers or Kallis, then IMO both Green and Watson should be rated very highly. I rate Green higher than Marsh, but Mitch IS in something of a purple patch of form right now, so the selectors will keep him batting in the middle order and bowling some overs for variety and to give the aging pace trio some relief.

    However, even with Marsh in the team, I think Green will be picked to play the next test, but it will be Travis Head that the selectors may be looking at to partner Khawaja as the opening bat replacing Warner. I also think the selectors have Renshaw earmarked to replace Usi if and when the great man pulls the plug on his test career in the next two years, but I don’t see him – or any of the other specialist shield openers being selected above Green.

  27. Rex Douglassays:
    Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 6:09 pm
    Probably time to move the new years test away from Sydney to a drier city.

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    I guess they could give to Geelong. Kardinia Parks capacity will be 40k by next year. So slightly lower than SCG but far more likely to fill it each day. So probably get bigger crowds over the full event period there.

    Alternatively a guaranteed weather proof test with the roof shut at Marvel Stadium.

  28. Rex Douglas says:
    Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 4:04 pm

    Invasion Day is not a “yawn” to indigenous Ausralians.

    It’s sad that some are bored by the truth of our colonial history.

    A comment form a poster that supports a party that couldn’t even bring itself to support recognition that Aborigines were here first.

    Australia day calibrates what Australia is, not what it was, I see no fault calling it invasion day and at the extreme celibate the invasion, not very helpful though is it.

    The yarn is to cast it as a cultural warrior issue.

  29. Marsh should open with Usi. He’s the same type of attacking player as Warner was back in the day. Left and right hander combination.

    Play Green at 6.

  30. The ever more vociferous calls for increased colonial policing and increased rates of jailing in rural and regional towns and cities demonstrate that the Invasion urgently needs more armed reinforcement. Howard was right to send the ADF into remote Indigenous communities. It was a sign of ongoing defeats by the Invasion forces/

    Western Australian teenagers are already 16 times more likely to be policed than non-Indigenous youth.

    Aboriginal women are jailed at world record rates compared with the jailing rates around the rest of the world. That rate is increasing.

    Is the Invasion losing its grip?

  31. “Marsh should open with Usi. He’s the same type of attacking player as Warner was back in the day. Left and right hander combination.”

    I’ve heard that ‘the thinking’ of the selectors at the moment is that they are weighing three options:

    1. The conservative – pick Renshaw as a specialist opener;
    2. Radical option 1 – Green as opener (and the coach just gave a big hint that he’d be happy with that); and
    3. Radical option 2 – Head as opener for the reasons you stated re Marsh, but in the belief that he may be a more reliable scorer in the long term (we have all seen marsh go through some purple patches of form before, only for these to fade away pretty quickly).

    Apparently, ‘radical option 2’ has the inside running at the moment.


  32. Macarthursays:
    Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 3:17 pm
    Ven @ Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 1:56 pm:

    “MacArthur

    Turkey blocks passage of two British minehunter ships intended for Ukraine”
    ============

    Ven, yes, I saw that. Mine hunters are inherently defensive naval assets, not offensive. They could only be a threat to those who agree Russia ought to be allowed to lay mines across sea trade routes at will. Further, the Montreaux Convention only permits Turkey to block vessels of ‘belligerents’. Is Ankara asserting that the UK is at war with any country on the Black Sea? Erdogan has some explaining to do in my opinion.

    And UK and Turkey are part of NATO. Weird isn’t it?


  33. Holdenhillbillysays:
    Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 3:17 pm
    Maverick Tasmanian MP John Tucker has threatened to “bring the government down” if it does not support his demands for mandatory CCTV in abattoirs

    CCTV in abattoirs to end animal cruelty. What a wonderful idea. What will be considered as animal cruelty in Abattoirs?

  34. Ven @ #1595 Thursday, January 4th, 2024 – 6:38 pm


    Holdenhillbillysays:
    Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 3:17 pm
    Maverick Tasmanian MP John Tucker has threatened to “bring the government down” if it does not support his demands for mandatory CCTV in abattoirs

    CCTV in abattoirs to end animal cruelty. What a wonderful idea. What will be considered as animal cruelty in Abattoirs?

    The animals have to die. So what exactly is the humane way to kill them?

  35. Albanese has the opportunity to create a legacy of true reconciliation between the first Australians and the colonial occupying Govt of the British crown.

    Albanese can come out on Invasion day and announce his Crown Govt will progress truth and a national treaty in the best interests of this multicultural society moving forward together.

    I hope he doesn’t squib it.

  36. Lost a quiz night because I lacked the persuasive skill to convince my team mates that Melbourne could have been named Batmania.

  37. FUBAR 5.16pm
    “Australia is one of the most successful nations in the world. Any argument that the “invasion” wasn’t successful denies reality.”

    The reality is that types like yourself believe that they can make statements like that and believe themselves immune to the repercussions of passed “invasion” activity and just ignore the plight of a disenfranchised and now disadvantaged indigenous population.

    Anyone engaging in suggesting on-going dialogue to rectify passed crimes are “shouted down” and victimised by those believing in their right to self entitlement, racism and discrimination.

    There are measures that can be introduced that will over time help indigenous Australians achieve their preferred status, standard of living and status as First Australians.

    FUBAR seems devoid of a humility, fairness, honesty and common sense.

    Don’t whinge when “reality” smacks you in the face FUBAR.

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