New Year miscellany: Dunkley by-election, preselection and polling round-up (open thread)

First reports emerge of preselection contenders for the looming Dunkley by-election, plus state polls from Victoria and Queensland and much else besides.

First up, developments ahead of the Dunkley by-election, which Rachel Baxendale of The Australian reported yesterday was “unlikely to be held before late February”:

• A Liberal preselection ballot scheduled for January 14 is expected to include Frankston mayor Nathan Conroy; Donna Hope, who as Donna Bauer held the state seat of Carrum from 2010 to 2014 and is now an electorate officer to Chris Crewther, former federal member for Dunkley and now state member for Mornington; Bec Buchanan, another staffer to Crewther and the party’s state candidate for Carrum in 2022; and Sorrento real estate agent David Burgess, who was on the party’s Legislative Council ticket for Eastern Victoria in 2022.

Paul Sakkal of The Age today reports the widower of the late Labor member Peta Murphy, Rod Glover, is being encouraged to seek preselection by “senior Labor figures”. The report describes Glover as a “respected former staffer to Kevin Rudd, university professor and public policy expert”. Also mentioned in Rachel Baxendale’s report were Madison Child, an “international relations and public policy graduate in her mid twenties who grew up in Frankston”, and has lately worked as an electorate officer to Murphy; Georgia Fowler, a local nurse who ran in Mornington at the November 2022 state election; and Joshua Sinclair, chief executive of the Committee for Frankston and Mornington Peninsula.

Other preselection news:

• Tim Wilson has confirmed he will seek Liberal preselection to recover the Melbourne seat of Goldstein following his defeat at the hands of teal independent Zoe Daniel in 2022. Paul Sakkal of The Age reports he is “unlikely to face a challenger”.

Lydia Lynch of The Australian today reports nominations for Liberal National Party preselection will close on January 15 in the inner Brisbane seat of Ryan, which the party lost to Elizabeth Watson-Brown of the Greens in 2022, and the Gold Coast seat of McPherson, which will be vacated with the retirement of Karen Andrews. The front-runner in the former case is said to be Maggie Forrest, barrister and the party’s honorary legal adviser. In addition to the previously identified Ben Naday, Leon Rebello and David Stevens in McPherson (the first two being rated the front-runners) is Adam Fitzgibbons, head of public affairs at Coles. Party insiders are said to be “increasingly concerned” about the emergence of a “McPherson Matters” group that is preparing a teal independent bid for the seat.

Lily McCaffrey of the Herald-Sun reports Emanuele Cicchiello, deputy principal Lighthouse Christian College deputy principal, has been preselected as Liberal candidate for Aston, the Melbourne seat that was lost to the party in a historic by-election result on April 1. Cicchiello ran unsuccessfully in Bruce in 2013 and has made numerous other bids for preselection.

• Rochelle Pattison, chair of Transgender Victoria and director of corporate finance firm Chimaera Capital, has nominated for Liberal preselection in Kooyong, joining an existing field consisting of Amelia Hamer, Susan Morris and Michael Flynn.

• The New South Wales Liberal Party website records two unheralded federal election candidates in Sam Kayal, a local accountant who will again run in Werriwa following an unsuccessful bid in 2022, and Katie Mullens, conservative-aligned solicitor at Barrak Lawyers who ran for the state seat of Parramatta in March and has now been preselected for the federal seat of the same name.

Polling news:

• The Courier-Mail sought to read the temperature of Queensland politics post-Annastacia Palaszczuk without breaking the budget by commissioning a uComms robopoll, crediting the Liberal National Party opposition with a two-party lead of 51-49. The only detail provided on primary votes was that the LNP was on 36.2% and Labor 34.4% – no indication was provided as to whether this was exclusive of the uncommitted, which is often not the case withuComms. Steven Miles was viewed positively by 42.7% and negatively by 27.6%, with only the positive rating of 37.8% provided for David Crisafulli. A forced response question on preferred premier had Crisafulli leading Miles by 52.2-47.8. True to the Courier-Mail style guide, the report on this unremarkable set of numbers included the words “startling”, “explosive”, “whopping” and “stunning”. The initial report on Tuesday was accompanied by a hook to a follow-up that promised to tell “who Queenslanders really wanted as Annastacia Palaszczuk’s replacement”. The answer was revealed the next day to be Steven Miles, favoured by 37.8% over Shannon Fentiman on 35.0% and Cameron Dick on 27.1%. The poll was conducted December 21 and 22 from a sample of 1911.

• RedBridge Group has a poll of Victorian state voting intention showing Labor leading 55.9-44.1, little different to the 55.0-45.0 result at the November 2022 election. The primary votes are Labor 37% (36.7% at the election), Coalition 36% (34.5%) and Greens 13% (11.5%). Extensive further results include leadership ratings inclusive of “neither approve nor disapprove” option that find Jacinta Allan viewed positively by 24%, negatively by 30% and neutrally by 32%, John Pesutto at 16% positive, 36% neutral and 29% negative, and Greens leader Samantha Ratnam at 14% positive, 29% neutral and 35% negative. The poll was conducted December 2 to 12 from a sample of 2026.

• Nine Newspapers published results from Resolve Strategic on Thursday on whether various politicians were viewed positively, neutrally, negatively or not at all, which it had held back from its last national poll nearly a month ago. Whereas a similar recent exercise by Roy Morgan simply invited respondents to identify politicians they did and didn’t trust, this one took the to-my-mind more useful approach of presenting respondents with a set list of forty names. In the federal sphere, the five most positively rated were Penny Wong (net 14%, meaning the difference between her positive and negative results), Jacqui Lambie (10%), Jacinta Price (6%), David Pocock (5%) and Tanya Plibersek (3%). The lowest were Scott Morrison (minus 35%), Lidia Thorpe (minus 29%, a particularly remarkable result given what was presumably modest name recognition), Barnaby Joyce (minus 27%), Pauline Hanson (minus 25%) and, interestingly, Bob Katter (minus 15%). Of state leaders, Chris Minns (plus 14%) and David Crisafulli (plus 9%) did notably well, and John Pesutto (minus 7%) and the since-departed Annastacia Palaszczuk (minus 17%) notably poorly. The poll was conducted November 29 to December 3 from a sample of 1605.

Author: William Bowe

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, has existed in one form or another since 2004, and is one of the most heavily trafficked websites on Australian politics.

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  1. Confessions @ #1728 Friday, January 5th, 2024 – 8:46 am

    Victoria @ #1720 Friday, January 5th, 2024 – 8:20 am

    How unsurprisement

    ——-
    During the pandemic, then-President Trump said about the drug hydroxychloroquine, “What do you have to lose? Take it”. Now researchers are estimating 17,000 people may have died as a result of that advice. (Politico)

    Yep many of us said at the time his ‘advice’ was dangerous and there would be people who died as a result. Same with his ‘advice’ to drink bleach FFS.

    And to just shine a light up your clacker. 😐

  2. Victoria @ #1748 Friday, January 5th, 2024 – 9:59 am

    After the comments regarding Bill Maher yesterday, I also reflected on the Young Turks. Cenk also known as Jake together with Anna Kasparian are shit poor excuses for progressives.
    They have gotten worse over time.

    Every now and then I see snippets of their commentary.

    Grifters the lot of them.

    As time has gone on they have become more and more pointless.


  3. C@tmommasays:
    Friday, January 5, 2024 at 6:57 am
    13% of Democrats!?!

    If 13% Democrats think like that why can’t a small percentage of Labor supporters be like them. Remember 60% Australian people voted against a simple proposition of ‘Voice’. It can’t be that high with out some Labor supporters voting for it.
    Some of them just wanted to believe what ‘No’ campaigners said.

  4. Ven @ #1741 Friday, January 5th, 2024 – 9:39 am


    Indeed!
    He thinks law is there to protect him only and not others.
    From what he said a lot of a lot of Americans fear that there won’t be any rule of law in US if he wins.

    This cartoon is disingenuous. Trump has never sat in front of a pile of legal papers in his life. He gets others to do that for him. Then doesn’t pay them for their effort.

  5. Morning all. THanks for the roundup BK. On the Iraq 2003 archives scandal:

    “ Former diplomat, David Livingstone, writes, “The absence of important cabinet papers on Australia’s decision to join the war against Iraq should surprise no one. The justification itself, that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and was in the process of gaining nuclear weapons, was dramatically shown to be false. The spin that leaders such as George W. Bush and Tony Blair operated in good faith belies the truth of either falsity, or credulity unworthy of a national leader”. He concludes his contribution with, “The findings of former ASIO director-general and Defence secretary Dennis Richardson’s review and the Albanese government’s response will be significant. Most importantly, will it lead to a more democratic, transparent and evidence-based decision-making process for this or future Australian governments should they choose to declare war? Hopefully, the answer is yes.”
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/a-spotlight-on-our-leaders-is-welcome-before-they-choose-to-take-us-to-war-20240103-p5euz2.html

    Obviously the original justifications for the Iraq invasion of 2003 were false. But I think that an inquiry might find additional embarrassing facts. I have suspected that the real reason Howard jumped into this war boots and all ws the hope of getting a US trade deal. Yet in fact the trade deal was a failure and USA has one of Australia’s worst trade imbalances in its favour. $30 billion exports vs $56 billion imports in 2022.

    The Australian Wheat Board also lost a large Iraqi debt at this time. The Iraq war was not in any way in Australia’s national interest.

  6. Remember John Howard’s calling forth the spectre of Saddam Hussein’s Human Shredder Machines?

    Just the Lying Rodent on steroids. I’m amazed he can even show his face in public. But then he always was shameless.

  7. @Ven: Political parties aren’t football teams. Most people who vote for Labor or the Coalition are not “supporters”. Labor doesn’t own or control people who vote for it, and it’s inevitable that some people would be against the Voice despite voting for Labor just as some people were for the Voice despite being actual Coalition MPs.

    As for the poll in question, between people who intentionally give the wrong party affiliation to fuck with the pollster, and people who just have conspiracy theories against all law enforcement in America or who think the FBI was working with Trump (not uncommon on the Democrat side, especially), and maybe a few who somehow think January 6 was a putup job but vote Democrat for other reasons anyway… 13% is practically a baseline. You would struggle to get less than 13% of Democrats or Republicans on a poll like that for any proposition, really.

  8. Aboriginal homeland communities are not as deserving as the US military.
    Of course it is easy to voluntarily give USD3billion to the US as an AUKUS down payment. And Labor prefers secrecy in its conversations with Australians.

    https://asiapacificdefencereporter.com/government-deceit-on-aukus-buy-in-cost/

    Government deceit on AUKUS buy-in cost – APDR
    2 Nov 2023 — The amount being voluntarily given to the US as an AUKUS down payment is not the widely reported $3 billion figure – it is $4.7 billion.
    This is because to date the government – meaning Ministers, Marles and Conroy, the Department, and the RAN – have hidden the fact that all their references to $3 billion have omitted a critical detail – that is in US currency, not Australian.

    After the San Diego announcement of the “optimal pathway” on March 14 this year, the media first widely reported the duplicitous $3 billion figure based on background information supplied by Australian officials. Outlets carrying this included the ABC, The Australian, The Guardian, The Sydney Morning Herald and the Australian Financial Review.

    Government people have been very careful – in a way that looks coordinated – to omit the currency being referred to, leaving the impression that $3 billion is in Australian rather than US currency. This has never been corrected or clarified until a few days ago, and then only late at night during a previously unreported Senate Estimates hearing.

    Standard practice is that all government purchases are announced in Australian dollars, irrespective of the country of origin of the contract. This is particularly so for Defence equipment with everything from submarines to satellite contracts being in AUD for public statements and media releases.


  9. Victoriasays:
    Friday, January 5, 2024 at 8:20 am
    How unsurprisement

    ——-
    During the pandemic, then-President Trump said about the drug hydroxychloroquine, “What do you have to lose? Take it”. Now researchers are estimating 17,000 people may have died as a result of that advice. (Politico)

    Two things that
    1. People are ready to believe whatever Trump said/ says and he knows that.
    2. How desperate were they either could not take doctor’s advice or don’t want doctor’s advice.

    When “Sh*t happens”, it happens.

  10. I note othes are talking about utes. In yesterday’s new car sales figures they were the elephant sized vehicle in the room.
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/jan/04/australia-2023-new-car-sales-record-list-top-utes-suvs-ford-ranger-toyota-hilux

    This trend has nothing to do with customer preferences or tradies. It is about manufacturer marketing and tax deductions.

    Obviously Labor has stalled a vehicle emissions strategy, even though it would save consumers and our balance of payments money. Presumably Labor fears a backlash from ute owners.

    Silly. The longer Catherine King waits, the faster retailers push up ute sales and make the problem bigger. The sooner an emissions policy is introduced, the sooner the trend changes. The FCAI is not Labor’s friend on this one.

    New Zealand had a similar trend before they introduced an emissions policy in 2018. The policy became rapidly popular once people realised it made it easier to shift to cheaper to run vehicles. Stop dithering, Minister King.

  11. Amy Remeikis on the time she set off a shitstorm in a Queensland Country Women’s Association by reporting a flip remark and failing to specifically state she used a pseudonym for the woman she spoke to. This is both hysterical, and a reminder on how local national politics can be. You report someone disparaging someone else’s chocolate cake in Queensland and the next thing you know the local MP is involved, you’re apologising to an editor, and there’s a threat to take the matter to Tony Abbott, truly a fate worse than death.

    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2024/jan/05/amy-remeikis-the-mp-called-and-said-you-have-turned-the-town-of-texas-on-its-head

  12. Cat

    We are agreed on Howard. I still remember all the lies he told as Fraser’s Treasurer back in 82/83.

    Howard never changed, he just got better circumstances to work with later when in power.

  13. It may be heartless but I have to file all hydroxychloroquine deaths that took it because of Trump under Darwin Awards for improving the gene pool.

    During the pandemic I was very, very in favour of the Leopards Ate My Face subreddit absolutely rubbing in the COVID deaths of all the COVID deniers and anti-vaxxers.

  14. Aboriginal communities are not as deserving as the US military.

    Gormless disinformation statement of the day. Fact free and frictionless.

    Irene, this sort of stuff works on facebook where the mindless morons go, but here we are able to think analytically. So I know that the above sort of assertion is a false equivalence. The Australian government, THIS federal government, cares deeply about the state of Aboriginal communities. They also care about the spread of Illiberal Authoritarian governments in the world and are doing all they can to forestall their spread into our region and our country. They also care about local jobs, which is where the spending on the American Military, as you disingenuously and mischievously term it, is going. To skill up Australians.

    Not that you will acknowledge it, Irene, but simply get your marching orders and material from whop knows where, so you can continue to spew it out here.

  15. “A top Indigenous group urged Labor to act quickly after the Voice referendum to counter Indigenous disadvantage while Australians remained focused on the issue ”

    Australians weren’t focused on the issue to begin with but to believe Australians remained focused on the issue after the referendum, rather than being at maximum “I don’t want to hear about this again for a year”, is to be delusional. Further spotlight time for indigenous affairs before the next election will be actively counterproductive. The ALP can do what they can to improve the situation through actual governing, and that is quite a lot, but anything that needs a big public debate is unwise.

  16. Smith and Laubushagne have “entertained” us belting five runs in 26 minutes this morning.
    I’m going to watch something else.

  17. C@tmomma says:
    Friday, January 5, 2024 at 10:17 am
    Aboriginal communities are not as deserving as the US military.

    Gormless disinformation statement of the day. Fact free and frictionless.

    ——-
    Facts from Labor you don’t want admit to. You seem not to understand the agenda of the current Federal Labor government.

    Jobs could be provided from many sources. Including if we bought 2nd hand submarines, maybe 20, not 7 by 2040, maybe?, not nuclear powered attack ones, from other countries.
    For around AUD $30billion.
    I guess you are also aware around $400million is to be offered to the military, in $50,000 amounts, per soldier, to keep those who are considering leaving after their 3 year commitment.

    Easy to find money for them too.

    So I say – where is the money to help aboriginal communities to improve their housing, education, medical services, jobs, skills training? To close the gap?
    You tell me? Waiting…,,
    $100million will not go far.

  18. BK

    Even when Pakistan were five down for not many the other day they scored at around four an over.
    And will we ever find out how Warner’s “stolen” backpack with his caps in it turned up at the team hotel?
    Or will it be like the sandpaper story?
    The truth is out there but who will tell it?

  19. Arky @ #1765 Friday, January 5th, 2024 – 10:22 am

    “A top Indigenous group urged Labor to act quickly after the Voice referendum to counter Indigenous disadvantage while Australians remained focused on the issue ”

    Australians weren’t focused on the issue to begin with but to believe Australians remained focused on the issue after the referendum, rather than being at maximum “I don’t want to hear about this again for a year”, is to be delusional. Further spotlight time for indigenous affairs before the next election will be actively counterproductive. The ALP can do what they can to improve the situation through actual governing, and that is quite a lot, but anything that needs a big public debate is unwise.

    Just another broken promise, eh Arky?

    https://www.news.com.au/national/anthony-albanese-addresses-australia-after-voice-to-parliament-referendum-fails/news-story/6b375b212e2547aaa7100baf7f83d9f4

    “It’s now up to all of us to come together and find a different way … I’m optimistic that we can win and indeed that we must.

    “That there is a new national awareness of these questions. Let us channel that into a new sense of national purpose to find the answers.”

    The Prime Minister said the referendum result was “not the end of the road”.

    Ms Burney said it was a “day of sadness”.

    Ms Burney said she would have “more to say” in the months ahead about the government’s “renewed commitment” to close the gap

    How many is that now? Or do we not count promises made to Indigenous Australians?

  20. According to Newsweek, “Joe Biden Campaign Volunteers Are Quitting in ‘Droves'”, due to an unmentionable foreign policy folly.

  21. BK

    The flip side of that is that although I think Pakistan’s batting has been pretty patchy, their bowling has been pretty good. Dropped catches is their achilles heal.

  22. Sohar

    On the plus side, that foreign policy folly might save Australia $368 billion, though it might also cost Ukraine any chance of victory.

    It is also getting awkward for Labor. I said from the start of the Gaza invasion that, like Bush in Iraq, there was no plan for a stable long term political solution on the Israeli side (or the Iranian side either).
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/04/grassroots-labor-members-urge-australia-to-back-south-africas-case-against-israel-at-un-court

  23. BKsays:
    Friday, January 5, 2024 at 10:26 am
    Smith and Laubushagne have “entertained” us belting five runs in 26 minutes this morning.
    I’m going to watch something else.

    You obviously enjoy the “big bash” BK!

  24. Soc: ‘Obviously the original justifications for the Iraq invasion of 2003 were false. But I think that an inquiry might find additional embarrassing facts.’

    Downer and Dutton both seem relaxed and comfortable about releasing the ‘mislaid’ documents.

    Maybe there’s not much to embarrass them. Or maybe they don’t know what’s in the documents — ‘unknown unknowns’?

  25. Lars:
    “Devastating attack today from Labor Insider Cameron Milner …”

    Oh?

    “… in the Oz …”

    Ah, file under ‘may be safely ignored’.

  26. BK

    I recall the day after the first big bash game at the WACA ground way back when, an excited colleague telling us how much he and his wife had loved it,
    “She’s never been to the cricket before,” he told us.
    Three of us chimed in in unison: “she still hasn’t been to the cricket.”

  27. Re Aged Care

    Under current legislation the accommodation bond is to be used to upgrade the physical building and should be returned in full within 4 weeks of resident’s exit

    The resident pays a weekly fee which is 85% of Aged Pension or 3 times that for wealthier residents

    every resident is treated same way – starved and humiliated

    There are no controls over nursing home operators and many have become very wealthy. Although my neighbour went broke upgrading his facility to comply with new standards
    St Basils of Covid fame paid rent to the Greek Orthodox Church

    If BK is still on the board of his local nursing home does he care to share his views

  28. Albo met with Alan Joyce a month before the Qatar decision was made.

    Does he really expect us to believe the issue wasn’t discussed ..?

    Was his son’s Chairman’s lounge membership not discussed as well.. ?

  29. Billie

    I can tell you that the aged care residence where my mum is, the food is amazing. We often joke to my dad, that mum has better meals than he does.

  30. Two “dedicated and unapologetic white supremacists” who targeted the Duke and Duchess of Sussex’s son in a neo-Nazi podcast have now been jailed for terrorism offences.
    At Kingston Crown Court on Thursday, 4 January, Christopher Gibbons was sentenced to 11 years imprisonment, and Tyrone Patten-Walsh, 34, to 10 years. Both will also be subject to a 15-year-long notification order and serve three years on licence when they are released, to reduce their ability to cause further harm. Gibbons, 40, described Harry and Meghan’s son Archie as a “creature [that] should be put down” and called for the Duke to be “prosecuted and judicially killed for treason”.
    He made the comments on an extreme right-wing radio-style chat show he hosted with Patten-Walsh, who also had “profoundly offensive” extreme views, the court heard.
    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/white-supremacists-jailed-terrorism-prince-harry-meghan-markle-neo-nazi-podcast/

  31. Socrates says:
    Friday, January 5, 2024 at 10:37 am
    Sohar

    On the plus side, that foreign policy folly might save Australia $368 billion, though it might also cost Ukraine any chance of victory.

    ————

    Federal Labor has already paid USD3billion so far. In October/November 2023. As a down payment on AUKUS to underwrite construction of extra Virginia-class submarines.
    I thought we were getting 2nd hand Virginia class subs, not extras?
    In actuality it is AUD4.7billion. All defence purchases are always noted in AUD. But this was kept hidden from Australians by Labor Ministers Marles and Conroy.

    The worst deal in Australian history.

  32. billie @ #1780 Friday, January 5th, 2024 – 11:13 am

    Re Aged Care

    Under current legislation the accommodation bond is to be used to upgrade the physical building and should be returned in full within 4 weeks of resident’s exit

    The resident pays a weekly fee which is 85% of Aged Pension or 3 times that for wealthier residents

    every resident is treated same way – starved and humiliated

    There are no controls over nursing home operators and many have become very wealthy. Although my neighbour went broke upgrading his facility to comply with new standards
    St Basils of Covid fame paid rent to the Greek Orthodox Church

    If BK is still on the board of his local nursing home does he care to share his views

    You can’t have it both ways.In one sentence you generalise that residents are starved and humiliated and in the next you state complying with new standards sent one owner broke.
    The standards have been in place for many a long year and certification is a matter of maintaining and improving standards over many years by inspection and compliance.If a facility can’t or wont manage that they can loose accreditation.That’s one of the reasons many small faculties in the country gave up just trying to comply much to the disgust of the oldies who wanted to die in their own small towns rather than in a regional nursing home.

  33. Irene,

    There is no US Base in Perth and there isn’t going to be.

    You clearly no nothing about the Nuclear power plants in submarines by making the unsubstantiated claim about nuclear waste.

    You’re either a liar or an idiot. Which is it?

    I wasn’t going to post but when I see such utter stupidity and outright lies it really does require correction.

  34. Rex Douglas @ #1780 Friday, January 5th, 2024 – 11:32 am

    Albo met with Alan Joyce a month before the Qatar decision was made.

    Does he really expect us to believe the issue wasn’t discussed ..?

    Was his son’s Chairman’s lounge membership not discussed as well.. ?

    So you’re on the side of Bob Menendez and Qatari bribery and influence-peddling operations, and against the National Carrier QANTAS? Interesting.

  35. Unless Australian Aboriginals are suddenly in the Nuclear Submarines production game the statements making it an either/or decision between expenditure on Aboriginal issues (a Federal,State and Local Government issue) and Federal Government Defence expenditure on submarines is Primary School level debate. Grow up. Why not claim the money from NDIS or Health or other welfare payments? That’s just as stupid.

  36. Oliver Sutton @ #1776 Friday, January 5th, 2024 – 11:05 am

    Lars:
    “Devastating attack today from Labor Insider Cameron Milner …”

    Oh?

    “… in the Oz …”

    Ah, file under ‘may be safely ignored’.

    Exactly. I’d file it under ‘Labor Rat’.

    Actually, I was just musing about that sort of thing today, when former Labor insiders turn, where do they turn to? It’s usually the dark side of Murdoch and the Liberals, not The Greens. Which just proves that Murdoch knows that everyone has their price.

  37. FUBARsays:
    Friday, January 5, 2024 at 11:52 am
    Irene,

    There is no US Base in Perth and there isn’t going to be.

    You clearly no nothing about the Nuclear power plants in submarines by making the unsubstantiated claim about nuclear waste.

    You’re either a liar or an idiot. Which is it?

    —————————————————————-

    While HMAS Stirling will remain an Australian base. There is a plan to operate USA nuclear submarines out of it by 2027. While any nuclear waste management of USA nuclear submarines will not occur in HMAS Stirling and will occur in the USA. You seem to be somewhat tough on her here in your last sentence. As elements of what she says are true, even if other parts are not. Something i have noticed you have a habit of doing yourself.
    https://www.businessinsider.com/aukus-plans-for-new-submarine-base-amid-increased-undersea-competition-2023-5

  38. Irene is either part of a disinformation operation, or someone who has been sucked in by one down the frictionless facebook/RWNJ rabbit hole. She is possessed of the indefatigable energy of the zealot who sees it as their duty to convert the non-believers and so will be tireless in their pursuit of what they see as their reason for living. To make us non-believers see the light…that has cleansed their mind of all ability to see sense and to only see conspiracies and dastardly ‘Deep State’ maneuvers. 🙄

  39. *sigh* De facto National Carrier. Because who gets called on to bring Aussies home from disasters overseas, by the government? QANTAS does.

  40. As elements of what she says are true, even if other parts are not. Something i have noticed you have a habit of doing yourself.

    Beware of pots and kettles, Entropy.

  41. Entropy

    No elements were true. It was either lies or she’s been mislead by someone else making up lies.

    Are we now saying that any facility that a foreign country’s armed forces operate from is now their base? Changing definitions to suit your politics?

    I’m happy to let most of the rubbish that goes for debate about the AUKUS project on here go through to the keeper because much of it is still mere speculation – but outright lies deserve to be called out and if someone is going to be a liar I will call them a liar.

  42. Fubar, Entropy both seem unaware of many facts to do with AUKUS.

    ————-
    Foolish comment by you both it seems. You seem to ignore the secrecy about AUKUS from this Labor government. Taking the trash out just before Christmas. While people are not paying attention. Including you. I am amazed at your ferocious reply.
    I only post from what I have read. Or heard.

    Perth nuclear waste storage facility planned for AUKUS submarines at HMAS Stirling on Garden Island
    By Rebecca Trigger and Isabel Moussalli
    Posted Mon 18 Dec 2023

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-12-18/aukus-submarine-nuclear-waste-disposal-in-perth-hmas-stirling/103242730

    Low-level radioactive waste generated by nuclear-powered submarines stationed in Perth could be stored elsewhere, WA’s Premier says, despite new documents revealing plans for a local waste facility.

    Federal government AUKUS briefing notes obtained by the ABC reveal details of a nuclear waste storage facility being planned as part of general infrastructure works at the HMAS Stirling defence base on Garden Island, south of Perth.

    The notes, made public through a Freedom of Information application, say the radioactive material will at least be temporarily stored in WA from 2027.….

    Naturally the WA Premier won’t want any nuclear waste of any sort stored near Perth City. And will want it kept quiet.

    Best if this information is spread as widely as possible.

  43. My comment about residents being malnourished is borne out by hospital data

    A former board member on the Alfred Hospital said that nursing home residents weigh 60 kg on entry to facility and 40 kg after 3 months. A skeleton weighs 35kg

    My sister the nurse couldn’t find quality care for our mum

    I know my former neighbour poured a lot of money into upgrading his nursing home before it was demolished and rebuilt as flats

    Study after study show that there is no correlation between money spent and care provided. There are far too many bottom feeders providing aged care
    eg
    owner of the Mt Macedon Ceramics collection – which he overpaid for
    owners of his & hers Ferraris before they fled to Greece
    brothers banned by RSPCA from running chicken farms

    Why are 6 of the largest operators owned by overseas companies. There are only 7 major players

    Nursing homes have worked their staff hard. We found out during covid very common for cleaners & kitchen hands to work 1 shift a week at a facility then work at 5 or 6 other facilities – so nursing home can avoid paying superannuation contributions

  44. There’s been 2 Labor insider articles, Nick Dyrenfuth in the AFR and Cameron Milner in the Oz. Both talking about Albo’s leadership.

    It’s basically step one – Struggle – trying to come to terms with a leadership deficit. Step 2 is tensions – when the challenger emerges – Step 3 is denial – we all support the leader. Step 4 is the Change.

    I’d say Step 2 wont happen until after Dunkley.

  45. National Carrier to bring Australians home:

    “ With Qantas putting its regular international flying on hold, it was left to a handful of foreign airlines to do the heavy lifting and get stranded Australians home.

    “These airlines were the key airlines for Australians,” said Mr Sobie .”They were very committed, very heavily invested. Those airlines were mainly Singapore Airlines, Qatar, and Emirates.”

    And…

    “ By mid-2020, Qatar Airways was commanding a 32% share of all passengers flying in and out of Australia (albeit based on small passenger numbers). Qatar temporarily became Australia’s defacto international airline, closely tailed by Singapore Airlines in the vacuum created by Qantas suspending its international commercial flights.”

    https://simpleflying.com/qatar-airways-australia-repatriation-airline/

    And Virgin flies internationally and has the capacity if called upon to fulfill the role.

  46. The High Deacon of AUKUS flies off the handle – again – in a maddie post attacking another bludger who dares to point out some obvious truths about her beloved Morrison marketing SCAM:

    “ Gormless disinformation statement of the day. Fact free and frictionless.”

    _____

    Of course holding to her to account – in the tone of her own posts is misogyny writ large, because she is not just ONE mad woman posting on a blog, she is all women; she is Gia …

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