The three-weekly YouGov federal poll records little change on last time, with two-party preferred steady at 50-50 from primary votes of Labor 30% (steady), Coalition 38% (steady), Greens 14% (up one) and One Nation 8% (steady). Anthony Albanese’s personal ratings are also unchanged at 41% approval and 53% disapproval, but Peter Dutton is down four on approval to 38% and up three on disapproval to 51%. Albanese’s lead as preferred prime minister is at 47-36, out from 44-37. The poll also finds an 84-16 split in favour of the proposition that workers have a right to strike for better wages and job security. It was conducted Friday to Tuesday from a sample of 1500.
There are also two state voting intention results from RedBridge Group, both combining two waves of polling in February and May:
• As reported in the Herald Sun, a poll for Victoria credits Labor with lead of 55-45, out from 54-46 in the last such poll in March, contrasting with the recent bi-monthly Resolve Strategic result which suggested the Coalition had moved into the lead. The primary votes are Labor 35% (down one), Coalition 38% (steady) and Greens 14% (up four). Kevin Bonham on Twitter notes that these primary votes suggest a 53-47 result based on a crude application of flows from the last election, but pollster Kos Samaras says the cumulative “others” pool has moved leftwards because “most of the right-wing minor party votes have shifted to the Coalition”. A full accounting of the results from the pollster should be along shortly. (UPDATE: The pollster has published the full result together with a full account of its “others” pool).
• The second poll such poll is for Queensland, and it maintains Labor’s run of diabolical polling there ahead of an election in October. The Liberal National Party is credited with a two-party lead of 57-43 from primary votes of Labor 28%, LNP 47% and Greens 12%. The poll has a sample of 880, and is somewhat at odds with a union-commissioned uComms polling provided last week to The Australian’s Feeding the Chooks column, conducted on May 14 from a sample of 2400, which found Labor had gone from 26.9% to 30.0% from an earlier poll April, while the LNP had gone from 35.1% to 33.7%, the Greens from 13.0% to 10.9% and One Nation from 10.0% to 5.2%, with undecided down from 16% to 10%.
Latest news related to the various federal redistributions in progress, following last week’s publication of draft boundaries for Victoria and Western Australia:
• The Australian Electoral Commission has announced the proposed new federal boundaries for New South Wales, which will involve the abolition of one of the state’s 47 seats, will be published “around lunchtime” on Friday.
• Suggestions the redistribution proposal for Victoria may have strengthened the Liberals in Kooyong prompted a flurry of speculation concerning a comeback by Josh Frydenberg, with Josh Butler of The Guardian reporting on divided opinions within the party. Seemingly the only one to go on the record was soon-to-retire Queensland member Karen Andrews, who spoke approvingly of the idea, which would potentially have been helpful to a Frydenberg comeback given one of the chief obstacles is the optics involved in deposing an already preselected female candidate, Amelia Hamer. Antony Green was initially invoked as having calculated the seat had been strengthened for the Liberals, which many had taken as read given blue-ribbon Toorak was part of the area to be gained from abolished Higgins, but he shortly clarified it was not possible to infer independent member Monique Ryan’s level of support in areas where she was not on the ballot paper in 2022. The matter was shortly resolved in any case when Frydenberg declared his support for Hamer. Aaron Patrick of the Financial Review reported Frydenberg had commissioned Freshwater Strategy to poll the seat “several times”, with party sources saying the results “didn’t indicate he’d win”.
• The proposed abolition of Higgins has prompted suggestions defeated former Liberal member Katie Allen, who had again been preselected for the seat, will instead contest Chisholm, despite the party already having a candidate for that seat in Monash councillor Theo Zographos. Josh Ferguson of The Australian reports the party will challenge the abolition of Higgins in its submission in response to the proposed new boundaries. The report further says a political foundation established by the seat’s former member, Peter Costello, to help fund campaigning in the seat “is being eyed by Liberal bean counters to help stave off a feared collapse in fundraising capacity for the party”. A Liberal source is quoted saying the fund was established to ensure the money “was not ultimately seized by a factional rival”.
The attrition of real wages is obviously hurting Federal Labor. This is Morrison’s lingering gift to Australia….destruction of incomes. The consoling thought is the Reactionaries remain incapable of turning this situation to their advantage.
What’s Peter Costello’s fundraising foundation going to be called?
‘Shoulder to the Wheel’? 😐
Still don’t believe Labor will go to an election with a leader who is net -12.
Anti-corruption investigators have raided the home of a high-ranking Australian Federal Police officer.
The respected federal police veteran was suspended on Thursday after internal affairs officers searched his Canberra home.
Official sources, speaking anonymously to discuss confidential information, said the raid was prompted by allegations linked to a conflict of interest involving procurement decisions.
The federal police declined to say why the officer’s home was raided, stressing that “the AFP does not comment on internal processes relating to individual members”. “Natural justice applies to AFP members. No further comment will be made at this time,” an AFP spokesperson said.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/afp-officer-s-home-raided-in-anti-corruption-investigation-20240607-p5jk6c.html
What gives me the s***s is that in order to govern these days so much of what we rely on to keep life stable and within our collective comfort zones is reliant on people/corporations with, or paid, a lot of money and with the power to prevent the changes that will really help us in the future.
The wealthy and powerful make voting for change so difficult that we end up opting for choices that keep them in place.
The former Reform UK candidate for Clacton, Anthony Mack, is preparing to stand against Nigel Farage as an independent. Mack has quit the Reform Party and is planning to hold a press conference in the Essex constituency on Saturday to announce his candidacy.
On Monday, Farage threw a major curve ball into the 4 July General Election campaign by announcing that he was replacing Richard Tice as leader of the right-wing party and standing as the party’s candidate for in Clacton. However, his decision meant that Mack, who was originally chosen by Reform to contest the Tory-held constituency, was forced to make way. Mack has publicly voiced support for Farage’s return until now.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/reform-candidate-dislodged-by-nigel-farage-to-run-independent
Latest YouGov UK voting intention (5-6 Jun) with 4 weeks to go.
Lab: 41% (+1)
Con: 19% (-)
Reform UK: 16% (-1)
Lib Dem: 11% (+1)
Green: 7% (=)
SNP: 3% (=)
Denmark’s Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen walked away following an assault by a man in central Copenhagen on Friday and had no outward signs of harm, a local resident told Reuters.
“Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen was beaten on Friday evening at Kultorvet (square, red.) in Copenhagen by a man who was subsequently arrested. The Prime Minister is shocked by the incident,” her office said in a statement without giving further detail.
Police said on social media platform X they had arrested a man and were investigating the incident but declined to give further detail.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/danish-pm-attacked-central-copenhagen-man-arrested-2024-06-07/
That’s the second YouGov under the ‘new’ methodology
In other random election news . former Labour bigwig Keith Vaz has been kicked out of the party after deciding to stand for the local ‘One Leicester’ group in his old seat of Leicester East (currently held by Labour-turned-Independent Claudia Webbe who’s also standing)
Every chance Leicester East could be a Tory gain on July 4th (22000 Labour majority as recently as 2017, 6000 majority in 2019)
Israeli minister Benny Gantz is expected to announce in a speech on Saturday his party’s withdrawal from the emergency government formed after the Oct. 7 attack by Hamas on Israel, according to political sources close to Gantz.
Why it matters: Gantz’s move wouldn’t bring down Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s coalition, which still holds a 64-member majority in the Knesset. But it would likely destabilize the government and exacerbate the political crisis in Israel as the war in Gaza continues and as hostage and ceasefire negotiations are ongoing.
https://www.axios.com/2024/06/07/israel-gantz-leave-netanyahu-coalition
Election Maps UK@ElectionMapsUK
LAB: 46% (=)
CON: 25% (-2)
RFM: 11% (+1)
LDM: 9% (+1)
GRN: 6% (+1)
SNP: 3% (=)
Via @Moreincommon_
5-7 Jun. Changes w/ 1-3 Jun
WeThink@wethinkpolling
Less than a month until #GeneralElection and the Tories hit a record low in our latest polling, while Lab sustains its 25-point lead. Reform’s increase mirrors other VI polls. (Fieldwork 6-7 June)
Lab 45% (-1)
Con 20% (-1)
Ref 15% (+2)
LD 10% (+2)
Green 5% (-1)
SNP 3% (NC)
Net Approval:
Sunak -32 (-1)
Starmer +14 (+13)
Best PM:
Starmer 47 (+2)
Sunak 25 (-)
Good morning Dawn Patrollers.
John Hewson has the standout contribution for this morning. He declares that “Both major political parties continue to dance awkwardly around the urgent need for genuine tax reform, as it becomes more apparent that their commitments are not fully funded by the existing tax collections. Another important unaddressed issue is the growing inequity of our system.” He says argues that taxation must be at the forefront of the Future Gas Strategy.
https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/comment/topic/2024/06/08/the-gas-giants-must-be-taxed-accordingly
Albanese tries to look like a statesman, but his inner scrapper is only just beneath the surface. Just ask Jodie, writes Peter Hartcher who looks at how Albanese got to where he is and how he responded to the Greens’ accusation and the immigration situation.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/when-the-pm-is-snookered-he-goes-from-statesman-to-scrapper-just-ask-jodie-20240607-p5jk1z.html
It seems everyone is angry these days and the prime minister is no exception, writes Karen Middleton. She says that after keeping silent about the Greens’ alleged role in pro-Palestine blockades of electoral offices, Albanese tapped into a public mood by letting rip.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/article/2024/jun/07/it-seems-everyone-is-angry-these-days-and-the-prime-minister-is-no-exception
The Greens are a danger to Australian multiculturalism, declares the AFR’s editorial which says that if left or right is allowed to politicise multiculturalism for completely cynical reasons, then it starts to unravel.
https://www.afr.com/policy/economy/greens-a-danger-to-australian-multiculturalism-20240606-p5jjpm
The Albanese government’s belated replacement of its ill-thought-through ministerial direction to the Administrative Appeals Tribunal on visa cases does little to counter concerns surrounding the immigration portfolio since Australians found out that detainees with criminal convictions were routinely being freed into the community, says the editorial in the SMH.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/question-hangs-over-new-direction-of-troubled-immigration-portfolio-20240607-p5jk3g.html
Immigration Minister Andrew Giles has signed a new ministerial direction he says will ensure that “the protection of the Australian community and common sense” will prevail in visa appeal decisions. But, writes Dana Daniel, the Coalition quickly attacked the move as confirmation the Albanese government had failed to keep the community safe, with Peter Dutton positioning himself as the man to fix the problem.
https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/8655140/minister-giles-signs-direction-110-to-put-in-place-common-sense/?cs=14329
With the Coalition stepping up attacks on the immigration minister, Home Affairs insiders spoke to The Saturday Paper’s Karen Barlow about much-needed reforms to the department. Barlow examines what is happening there after Pezzullo’s departure.
https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2024/06/08/what-happening-home-affairs-following-pezzullos-departure
According to The Australian, Peter Dutton will go to the next election opposing Labor’s 43 per cent carbon emissions reduction target by 2030 but keeping to zero emissions by 2050, opting for a radically different energy policy to Anthony Albanese that prioritises more gas in the short term and nuclear in the long term.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/peter-dutton-puts-carbon-emissions-target-onlabors-back/news-story/9f92fdee1dc0a65105bae4ae21875f60?amp=
The undercurrents of self-doubt in the Liberal Party bubbled to the surface earlier in the week, with a rush to return former treasurer and leadership hopeful Josh Frydenberg to parliament, writes Paul Bongiorno. He says the assessment in the party – both in the state and beyond – is that the Victorian branch “made a fucking mess of it” by holding the preselections before the electoral commission had completed the redistribution everyone knew was coming.
https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/comment/topic/2024/06/08/frydenberg-tilt-exposes-liberals-skirmish
Andrew Leigh has penned an op-ed in which he explains how monopiles hurt the economy. “Even before the pandemic hit, the Australian economy was showing signs of stagnating. More concentration, bigger mark-ups, fewer start-ups and less job switching had made the economy less dynamic. As a result, real wages barely grew”, he says.
https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/comment/topic/2024/06/08/how-monopolies-hurt-the-economy
Anti-corruption investigators have raided the home of a high-ranking Australian Federal Police officer. Nick McKenzie reports that the respected federal police veteran was suspended on Thursday after internal affairs officers searched his Canberra home. It apparently replates to a conflict of interest regarding procurement decisions.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/afp-officer-s-home-raided-in-anti-corruption-investigation-20240607-p5jk6c.html
Afterpay turns 10 this year and the tricky debate on how best to regulate buy now, pay later firms is still going on, writes Clancy Yeates who explains the real risk facing that company and its rivals.
https://www.smh.com.au/business/banking-and-finance/the-real-risk-facing-afterpay-and-its-rivals-20240605-p5jjjw.html
The Australian reckons moves are afoot within Nine Entertainment to oust Peter Costello from the chairmanship of the besieged media company, following the former federal treasurer’s physical confrontation with a journalist at Canberra Airport on Thursday.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/media/when-push-comes-to-shove-nine-executives-move-to-oust-peter-costello/news-story/fde219c708f291435e1115fe4b48b20c?amp=
Images of the finance minister, Katy Gallagher, and the foreign minister, Penny Wong, have been used in deepfake investment scam videos in the latest examples of a concerning trend of politicians being used in online fraud. The Nationals senator Bridget McKenzie and the former prime minister Scott Morrison have also had their faces used in scams through Facebook videos that appear to be generated by AI, with more than a dozen examples this week of paid ads reaching thousands of Australians before being removed.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/article/2024/jun/08/deepfakes-of-australian-politicians-including-penny-wong-and-katy-gallagher-used-in-investment-scams
ANZ’s suspected market manipulation will cost the taxpayer up to $80 million in extra borrowing costs, with the corporate regulator’s investigation into the bank’s trading unit narrowing its focus on whether it forced an increase in the interest rate on a $14 billion government bond sale last year. The investigation, details of which were first reported by The Australian Financial Review last month, has also raised questions about the internal culture at the bank’s high-octane trading unit, which has been described by current and former employees as “old school” and alcohol-fuelled.
https://www.afr.com/companies/financial-services/anz-s-suspected-market-manipulation-could-have-cost-taxpayers-80m-20240604-p5jj8a
The federal court has ruled against a decision blocking access to early robodebt documents drafted under the former Coalition government, as part of one man’s long-running fight to shed light on the scheme’s origins. Sarah Basford-Canales reports that Justices Geoffrey Kennett, Anna Katzmann and Shaun McElwaine ruled that a December 2022 decision made by the administrative appeals tribunal (AAT) to keep some robodebt documents exempt, including draft costings and new policy proposals, should be set aside due to procedural unfairness and because the AAT had incorrectly agreed with the cabinet confidentiality exemptions Services Australia applied.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/article/2024/jun/07/robodebt-court-documents-it-expert-justin-warren-ntwnfb
The right thing, now, would be to open the sealed section of the robodebt royal commission. The institutions in which the commissioner put her faith have all failed. The only reasonable path to justice is for the public to know who the commission named for referral and who after this week’s announcement will not be investigated, says the editorial in The Saturday Paper.
https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/2024/06/08/robodebt-and-moral-deficit
A week before the long-awaited report into consulting services, it can be revealed that KPMG was given $1.3 million to train the public service in ethics, reports Jason Koutsoukis. He writes about more good work from Senator (too good to be a Green?) Barbara Pocock to highlight the insidious nature of these big consultancy companies.
https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2024/06/08/exclusive-disgraced-consultancy-run-government-ethics-training
Is the Bible hate speech? Could a Christian minister, or any ordinary person, be prosecuted for reading out sections of the New Testament? In fact, this is almost the case in law already, as we’ll see. A slew of legal, legislative, bureaucratic and cultural trends makes it likely to become a practical reality in time, whines Greg Sheridan. Suck it up, Greg.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/time-to-speak-out-on-the-threat-to-christianity/news-story/f8ac260bb3fb92c5096b6dc0e3b1df5e?amp=
As the Bureau of Meteorology pulls back on its international obligations, increasing automation and a lack of experienced staff has made forecasts less reliable, explains Rick Morton who takes us inside the bureau’s forecast failings.
https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/environment/2024/06/08/inside-the-boms-failings-they-will-straight-tell-you-black-white
Here’s Amada Meade’s weekly round-up. She looks at The Australian’s OTT veneration of King Rupert.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/commentisfree/article/2024/jun/07/even-magic-and-miracles-not-beyond-rupert-murdoch-as-the-australian-marks-its-60th-birthday
Steve Price reckons Peter Costello’s airport antics add to the perception that Nine is run by arrogant, overbearing men.
https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/opinion/steve-price-peter-costellos-airport-antics-add-to-perception-nine-is-run-by-arrogant-overbearing-men/news-story/08e6b9666bb6f00ca757e20bb88f5840
According to Gabriella Coslovich, a surprise choice as the ABC’s director of news two years ago, Justin Stevens’ capacity to lead the country’s biggest newsroom and defend it from attacks is now being questioned.
https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/media/2024/06/08/abcs-director-news-defending-journalists
The NSW Labor government has stumbled across a $1 billion mistake in the budget which means the state’s net debt has been underreported for five years after property sales for Sydney Metro were counted twice. Alexandra Smith tells us that the sales of buildings above train stations for the Sydney Metro were accounted for when contracts were exchanged in 2018-19, but the budget wrongly factored them in again. Usual accounting practices would be to record the proceeds of a sale only once.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/nsw-counted-sydney-metro-property-sales-twice-it-was-a-1-billion-mistake-20240607-p5jk4m.html
The US economy is slowing to a halt. Personal savings are way down. National debt is way up. Brace yourself for a hard landing, says Ambrose Evans-Pritchard.
https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/the-great-american-boom-is-running-out-of-steam-leaving-mountains-of-debt-20240606-p5jjmf.html
“Few have exerted as much influence on the tone, and outcome of elections, as Nigel Farage. Fewer have done so while failing to win office”, begins Binoy Kampmark in this contribution which opines that the return of Farage represents a Tory nightmare.
https://theaimn.com/tory-nightmares-the-return-of-nigel-farage/
US state abortion ban exemptions aren’t vague by accident. Uncertainty is the point, writes Judith Levine who says anti-choice statutes are designed to keep health providers fearful of running afoul of the law – and women suffer for it.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jun/07/state-abortion-ban-exemptions-uncertainty
Donald Trump is planning an assault on the American justice system should he win re-election to the White House, in which he would seek to destroy the independence of the justice department and turn it into an attack machine for his Make American great again movement. At the heart of his plans is the desire to impose his will on the individual prosecutorial decisions taken by the Department of Justice. The move, if successful, would end half a century of accepted practice that prevents presidents from politically interfering with specific cases. America is f****d!
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jun/07/trump-justice-department
Cartoon Corner
David Rowe
Jon Kudelka
Glen Le Lievre
Leak
From the US
The global cult of Toxic Masculinity is getting out of control!
It’s a complex problem that involves social media, politicians, mainstream media and the ‘fitness’ industry.
Going to be a quiet long weekend.
285 push ups in last 3 days. 120 today and then Sunday is a rest day.
Meant to be going prospecting but just can’t get moving. Pecs and abs are so frigging sore.
Taylormade @ #NaN Saturday, June 8th, 2024 – 7:27 am
You know your muscles begin wasting from the age of 30? So maybe don’t act like a young man anymore and you’ll have less soreness and more productive gain?
Insiders Sunday, 9 Jun
David Speers is joined by John Kehoe, Claudia Long and Clare Armstrong to discuss tensions over the war in Gaza spilling over in parliament, and the state of the Australian economy as GDP grew by just 1.1% over the past year.
GUEST : David Coleman – Shadow Communications Minister
David Pope’s cartoon has just popped up.
Karen Middleton lays out the evidence that Lordbain (still on holiday), keeps demanding:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/article/2024/jun/07/it-seems-everyone-is-angry-these-days-and-the-prime-minister-is-no-exception
I put The Greens’ actions in the category of ‘Fiddling while Rome burns’ and putting fuel on a tinder-dry fire by speaking encouragingly on their social media accounts about the non-violent forms that the protests are taking.
And, honestly, how are a bunch of agitated Australians, calling themselves ‘Disrupt Wars’, and hypocritically launching their own mini war against the government, going to actually, um, stop wars or disrupt them, via their destructive actions?
I’ll await Lordbain’s rational reply, but I won’t hold my breath.
Thanks BK.
#weatheronPB
The cold continues,
clear skies holding easily,
at this time of year.
C@t:
Someone said last night these are legal and peaceful protests.
Destroying private property isn’t legal or peaceful! And this reminds me of how MAGAs are dog whistled to by Trump.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/when-the-pm-is-snookered-he-goes-from-statesman-to-scrapper-just-ask-jodie-20240607-p5jk1z.html
‘Fess,
Throwing fuel on the fire by blasting out angry calls to action on social media, is not ‘peaceful’. A Sit In I could understand, but pointless wanton destruction of property is not in the same universe.
I’m not sure, but have The Greens denounced the violence and the destruction?
Steve Price reckons Peter Costello’s airport antics add to the perception that Nine is run by arrogant, overbearing men.
https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/opinion/steve-price-peter-costellos-airport-antics-add-to-perception-nine-is-run-by-arrogant-overbearing-men/news-story/08e6b9666bb6f00ca757e20bb88f5840
Steve Price is probably a good judge of that. 😉
But seriously, it’s the Toxic Masculinity culture at its zenith. Again. Some men have figured out that they can make their way to the top of society’s ladder by engaging in modulated overbearing behaviour. Clinically calculated to be exactly the sort of corporate stochastic terrorism that enables their success.
Worse than that is that now there are women who have learned from their success and they are mimicking them.
He’s denied the Greens had anything to do with the illegal violence, and has threatened to sue the AG over his comments about the Greens.
Also this:
https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/jim-chalmers-australia-not-heading-for-a-recession-despite-stalled-growth/news-story/c16f84e91a6c86c6f88e3cf728443750
@ Ray (UK) @ 7:06 am:
In other random election news . former Labour bigwig Keith Vaz has been kicked out of the party after deciding to stand for the local ‘One Leicester’ group in his old seat of Leicester East (currently held by Labour-turned-Independent Claudia Webbe who’s also standing)
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Another chapter to add to an already expansive Wikipedia ‘Controversies’ section, perhaps?
Butt in the Hammock.
Your so partisan c@t even doing push ups is a topic of criticism for you.
Anybody going to call the final number of seats for UK Labour ? I’m going with 380 +\5
Clive Palmer’s Superyacht Beached – SECOND Time in 8 Months! | SY News Ep327
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hy_ljE_R2I
Thanks BK!
Yeh Lars is right on this one… in fact most doctors will encourage muscle retaining exercises as you get older. But CAT is the local know it all.
And if property damage taints a cause (again denounced by Bandt) then your going to be hard picked to find something to support… from the protests of MLK and his colleagues, to the end of apartheid in SA, to same sex relationships… they all contain examples of these things occurring. Again, I refer to mlks letters… but the usual pearl clutches won’t bother
Lordbain says:
Saturday, June 8, 2024 at 8:30 am
Yeh Lars is right on this one… in fact most doctors will encourage muscle retaining exercises as you get older. But CAT is the local know it all.
And if property damage taints a cause (again denounced by Bandt) then your going to be hard picked to find something to support… from the protests of MLK and his colleagues, to the end of apartheid in SA, to same sex relationships… they all contain examples of these things occurring. Again, I refer to mlks letters… but the usual pearl clutches won’t bother
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Interesting. So property damage is appropriate but Bandt has denounced it. Why would Bandt denounce something appropriate? Help us understand 🙂
Grif, when did I say it was appropriate? I said it happens, and if that’s the point where you stop supporting a cause, then you wouldn’t have supported basically every progressive cause in history. But nice try 🙂
Dr Doolittle says:
Saturday, June 8, 2024 at 12:52 am
Thank you for your post on the previous thread (and Douglas and Milko for prompting it).
Lordbain says:
Saturday, June 8, 2024 at 8:39 am
Grif, when did I say it was appropriate? I said it happens, and if that’s the point where you stop supporting a cause, then you wouldn’t have supported basically every progressive cause in history. But nice try
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So it is acceptable? Allowable? What word would best suit this view? And why would Bandt denounce it? 🙂
Griff, I’m going to have to refer you to someone a litttttle more experienced in being involved in such movements… MLK
Note this covers his views on a few concepts, including occurances of property damage during civil right protests
https://cjifund.org/the-truth-about-dr-martin-luther-king-jr/#:~:text=King%20explained%20that%20the%20urban,at%20%E2%80%9Csymbols%20of%20exploitation.%E2%80%9D
But hey, what would MLK know about a successful protest movement 🙂
Bandt says there is no place for violence in politics and that everyone deserves a safe workplace, yet partisan Greens continue to defend illegal and abusive behaviour by protestors.
A picket outside a workplace is going to cause fear among people seeking to enter that workplace, particularly if those people are women.
In other words, picketing is violent.
But the Greens are oblivious to this reality, apparently.
Lordbain says:
Saturday, June 8, 2024 at 8:47 am
Griff, I’m going to have to refer you to someone a litttttle more experienced in being involved in such movements… MLK
Note this covers his views on a few concepts, including occurances of property damage during civil right protests
https://cjifund.org/the-truth-about-dr-martin-luther-king-jr/#:~:text=King%20explained%20that%20the%20urban,at%20%E2%80%9Csymbols%20of%20exploitation.%E2%80%9D
But hey, what would MLK know about a successful protest movement
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How is what MLK wrote relevant to this current situation, Lordbain? And why did Bandt “denounce” it? It is never too early to discuss the nature of deontic constraints 🙂
lol confessions and griff – go Laura norder on a rainy Saturday morning.
Could be something in the weetbix ?
Bandt,Thugs&Co.
Talking out of both sides of the mouth.
Bringing thuggery to nonviolence.
2024 French Open final is the first final in 20 years, where Federer, Nadal or Djokovic will not be in Final.
Alex Demanaur did not reach semi-final.
Hey grif, why wouldn’t the input of a famous leader of a protest movement seeking change for a disenfranchised group be relevant to a modern occurance of a protest movement for a disenfranchised group?
Or are you claiming MLK and his colleagues should be condemned for supporting property damage
Big sunday voting in europe today.
Euro centre pasokifying. The extremes gaining?
Le Pen likely to be a big gainer in the Euro elections.
Wilders gained but mostly by cannibalizing other far right parties.
It looks like something like a quarter of the europarliament seats will be held by the far right.
The Greens in Germany are not campaigning on climate. They are campaigning on being anti-Nazis.
It looks like Modi kicked a bit of an own goal with his muslim bullying: close call in Varanasi, his home state.
The Greens?
Baby Trots Roolz.
A couple of non-violent protests from the past:
Sacked cinema workers [ushers] handed out leaflets to movie goers in Melbourne in the early 90s, no pressure.
Catholic youth protested screening of Salo at the Trak in 1992, didn’t obstruct movie goers, no pressure.
Contrast that with Greens approved shutdowns of Labor MPs electorate offices, and Labor went along with it for, 6 months?
Lars Von Trier says:
Saturday, June 8, 2024 at 8:53 am
lol confessions and griff – go Laura norder on a rainy Saturday morning.
Could be something in the weetbix ?
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I had a 6am teleconference so I might be a little grumpy this morning 🙂
But who is Laura Norder? I was thinking about Nozick and the idea of side constraints. We could also look at property violence through the lens of expected utility. What is the expected utility of such action in this case?
Hi Bludgers
I am in Alice Springs for the Finke 2024 Desert Race.
More reports later.
Cheers
PUFFY Brrrrmmm x100!!
Taylormade @ #15 Saturday, June 8th, 2024 – 7:27 am
Somebody said: “Toxic Masculinity is getting out of control.”