The fortnightly Essential Research poll goes against the recent grain in recording a four-point drop for the Coalition to 32%, with Labor down one to 31%, the Greens steady on 13% and One Nation up three to 8%, and the undecided component up two to 6%. The pollster’s 2PP+ measure, which has consistently been very close throughout the year, finds Labor moving into the lead for the first time since early April by holding steady at 48% while the Coalition falls two to 46%.
Further questions record 31% support and 36% opposition to Peter Dutton’s new position on carbon emissions, with respondents told this would breach a Paris climate agreement backed by 190 other countries. There is also a 52-48 split in favour of sticking to the 2030 target over an alternative that encapsulates Peter Dutton’s position thus: “Australia should abandon the 2030 target because it’s unachievable and hurting the economy and instead focus on the 2050 target”. However, there is a 63-37 split in favour of developing renewable as the means to the end of the 2050 target over sticking with fossil fuels and waiting until nuclear is developed in 15 to 20 years.
Questions on Israel and Gaza find 52% satisfied with the Australian government’s response, although twice as many think it too supportive of Israel than too harsh, at 32% and 16% respectively. There is a four-point drop in support for Israel’s action since April to 15%, with opposition up six to 38% and a two-point increase in support for a temporary ceasefire to 21%. A question on the government’s plan to make vapes available only through pharmacies by prescription finds 56% in favour and 22% opposed. The poll was conducted Wednesday to Sunday from a sample of 1160.
After two improved results for Labor, the weekly Roy Morgan poll records a sharp reversal, recording a tie on two-party preferred after Labor led 53.5-46.5 last week. On the primary vote, Labor is down a point to 29.5%, the Coalition is up three to 38%, the Greens are down two to 13.5% and One Nation is down half a point to 5%. The poll was conducted Monday to Sunday from a sample of 1724.
Nine Newspapers has also published further findings from the Resolve Strategic poll which put support for the government’s 43% carbon reduction target for 2030 as a stepping stone to net zero by 2050 at 33%, with a further 19% favouring a more ambitious approach. Only 17% supported Peter Dutton’s approach of abandoning the 2030 target, with a further 13% rejecting emissions targets altogether.
It’s not Labor MP’s who have rocks in their heads Badthinker, it’s anything who believe there will ever be nuclear power stations in Australia.
Why not use our local one at Collie as an example Badthinker. Can you answer the following questions?
Dutton says it will be a small modular reactor. When will these be commercially available?
When will the local Liberal MHR stop claiming that gas is 19 times cheaper so should be used instead of nuclear?
Dutton says that existing coal powered sites will be used. The owners have said they are not for sale. How will Dutton resolve that issue.
As reported in the West Australian newspaper, the Collie community has said they don’t want a nuclear power station. Will their views be respected?
I can’t see a viable alternative for Japan other than nuclear.
Boerwarsays:
Saturday, June 22, 2024 at 1:11 pm
I can’t see a viable alternative for Japan other than nuclear.
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You are probably correct, due to large population in relatively small land area. I see their only other alternative is geothermal. A lot of that is also in development stage, so not a sure thing either.
Australia has scads of free sunshine.
I dunno Mavis. I like a rank outside bet on these things. But peeps like Harris, Witmer and Newsome dont have very attractive odds to be Dem candidate to tempt me.
Newsome has 10 to 1 odds to be the nominee with the convention only 2 months away – seems absurdly low. I’ve watched footage of some of Bidens recent events. Aside from his stutter and slow, uncertain, stilted movements; he still seems sharp. So there must be some betting money assuming he pulls out prior to the convention for some reason – bad debate, health, good of the party…. who knows.
Do you all remember how back in 2007 climate change, according to Rudd Labor, was the greatest moral challenge of our lifetime? That was 17 years ago!
Fast forward to today: The dams are still full. We haven’t had a dry autumn in Sydney since 2008. And it’s yet another freezing cold day like usual.
Everyone I know in northwest and southwest of Sydney thinks global warming is a load of crap, and they’re paying too much for energy all due to leftwing and teal ideology.
Dutton has shown a lot of guts with his nuclear policies. People care about the cost and consistency of energy, and it’s clean, for whatever that’s worth lol!
‘Labor MPs have relished the comparison to the Indigenous voice campaign and previous elections, where the Coalition demanded more detail about Labor’s plans and costings.
Speaking about the voice in August 2023, Dutton said: “Millions of Australians will want to know what it is they’re being asked to vote for, because it’s not going to provide practical outcomes.”
In January 2023, Dutton told Albanese in a letter: “In refusing to provide basic information and answer reasonable questions on the Voice, you are treating the Australian people like mugs… your approach will ensure a dangerous and divisive debate grounded in hearsay and misinformation.”
Dutton on Friday said the costings would come “very soon”, but didn’t confirm whether it would be days, weeks or months.
The shadow home affairs minister, James Paterson, told ABC radio the Coalition “will provide the detail before Australians vote”. Asked how it would affect power bills, Paterson responded “we will tell you before you’re required to vote”.
In 2019, the then prime minister, Scott Morrison, called then Labor leader, Bill Shorten, “sneaky and tricky” for not giving costings of his proposed emissions reduction target.
“What Bill Shorten is refusing to do is tell you what his policies are and how much they are going to cost you,” Morrison claimed at the time.
Dutton himself told 2GB in May 2019 “[Shorten] can’t tell you how much it is going to cost you – don’t vote for it.”
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/article/2024/jun/22/confusion-reigns-about-the-coalitions-nuclear-proposal-heres-how-the-rhetoric-has-shifted
I suppose the Coalition are developing the weasel words that will get them out of this obvious hole. 😐
BW, yeah, they have been blurring the rules now for a little while – eg keeping old reactors going. It is a matter of time before they open up for additional reactors.
Boerwar @ #1703 Saturday, June 22nd, 2024 – 1:15 pm
Compared with the Nuclear powered countries…
We have a much smaller population
We have a smaller GDP
but…
Some barely see the sun for 6 months of the year and have winters our nightmares are made of.
We have an abundance of sunshine and an enormous coastline favourable for wind.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/06/17/trouble-for-trump-in-a-new-poll-on-his-conviction-00163498
So nuclear energy is going to take years or even decades before it becomes operational.
Well then, the lefties better start getting behind it and stop wasting more time!
Australia has scads of free sunshine.
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SA especially. And already so much of our energy is generated from renewables. Yet our rates are some of the highest. People arent happy about their rates during a time of inflation and interests rate hikes – and it is easy to see how they can conflate their energy rates with the renewable rollout. That is Duttons opportunity and the ALPs and AEMOs challenge. It isnt enough to throw $300 at it and insist people do their research on why rates are high and then be understanding.
People speculate why Dutton is doing this. Libspill etc. But imo, he is just reading the room.
I nuclear power is such a great idea, the LNP should have started the ball rolling 10 years ago when they were in government. That they didn’t speaks volumes.
Badthinker:
It’s not a matter of an early federal election hurting the Miles’ reelection chances (though I don’t think burning out the ALP’s Queensland volunteers with two elections in right after another is a spectacular idea), it’s about the risk that the Miles government’s unpopularity hurts the federal government’s chances in Queensland.
Perhaps the next (early) Budget in March 2025 will bump the $300 upwards -say to $1,000 plus per household?
Pueo
As I said, it’s taken Dutton a lot of guts to propose his nuclear energy policies.
It’s a good policy, Labor should adopt it!
Everyone I know in northwest and southwest of Sydney thinks global warming is a load of crap
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“Voters in every federal seat in Australia support increased action on climate change and the adoption of renewable technology over the government’s plan for a gas-led recovery, according to the largest poll ever conducted on climate change and politics in the country.”
Aug 2021.
https://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/australia-s-biggest-climate-poll-shows-support-for-action-in-every-seat-20210829-p58mwb.html
Sprocket
Bumping the energy rebate from $300 to $1,000 plus.
Yep, I’m sure Michele Bullock would love to hear that?
“Two new reactors under construction in Japan at last count with the national goal to have 33 reactors working by 2030
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So… “no additional ones”?”
I think the two in build may have been building before Fukushima and build restarted. From what i have read the Japanese basically shut down all their nuclear plants after the earthquake, and are restarting some after having the “oh shit” moment of realization that they can have stronger quakes that the reactors were designed for.
So, years later, with quite a few reactors in place, they are really only recently getting some back on line and restarted.
They also seem to have a lot that are end of life and need permanent decommissioning …… ie: all the “waste”disposed of. 🙁
Seems that everyone want to focus on the economic aspects of Duttons brain fart on nuclear. But, it is worth remembering that large nuclear reactor are “safe”, until they are not, and then its a massive environmental hit AND massive hit to the taxpayers. The spivs who make the profits basically get away with no liability.
Safety argument can be totally rebuffed (at a political rather than practical level though) if any reactor builds in Australia are subject to the project developers / operators posting adequate bond (for decommissioning and waste disposal) and proving they have adequate insurance in place to cover reasonably likely accident and decontamination scenarios. 🙂
Which I think would kill domestic nuclear in Australia stone dead, not even a residual glow left behind.
Team Katich
Ask them after they pay their bills 🙂
Australia has scads of free sunshine.
Australia also has something called Nighttime, plus clouds.
In today’s Oz, John Durie on P32 bags the Dutton Plan and Federal Coalition Governments generally, Chris Kenny bags Albanese on P37, The Australian definitely on board with NP, unsaid is they prefer Labor to introduce it, possibly for the opportunities to pick the bones clean that can’t happen under the Dutton Plan public ownership.
The spin the last few days is ‘cost to taxpayers’ so the obvious Labor ploy is to puff ‘no cost to taxpayers’ aka private ownership and gazump Dutton.
centresays:
Saturday, June 22, 2024 at 1:17 pm
Do you all remember how back in 2007 climate change, according to Rudd Labor, was the greatest moral challenge of our lifetime? That was 17 years ago!
Fast forward to today: The dams are still full. We haven’t had a dry autumn in Sydney since 2008. And it’s yet another freezing cold day like usual.
Everyone I know in northwest and southwest of Sydney thinks global warming is a load of crap, and they’re paying too much for energy all due to leftwing and teal ideology.
Dutton has shown a lot of guts with his nuclear policies. People care about the cost and consistency of energy, and it’s clean, for whatever that’s worth lol!
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Just because you call yourself “Centre” doesn’t mean we don’t see you as RWNJ. Spewing anti-science propaganda against climate change. If you don’t believe in climate change why do you even care what Australia’s energy generation mix is anyway?
Though i do note you seem very Sydney-centric. So maybe that is why you call yourself “centre”. You think everything centres on Sydney?
You must know only people with the memory of goldfish in North West Sydney though. As Climate Change as made both heat waves and flood events far more severe there.
Bullock has said what she thinks about energy bill direct supplements
The Reserve Bank of Australia’s governor says the federal government’s proposed $300 energy bill relief will not have a “material” impact on reducing inflation, but is also unlikely to make inflation worse.
Appearing at a Senate estimates hearing in Parliament House on Wednesday morning, the RBA governor told the committee that the measure — a centrepiece of May’s federal budget — was unlikely to reduce inflation to a point that would lead to potential rate cuts.
Responding to Nationals Senator Matt Canavan, Michele Bullock said the central bank would “look through” the rebate’s impact on headline inflation and focus on the RBA’s preferred “underlying” measure instead.
“The government’s rebate … might affect people’s expectations, and it also might affect prices that are indexed,” Ms Bullock said.
“But in terms of the underlying pulse of inflation, we’re looking through that to the underlying, the trimmed mean, if you like, and we don’t think it’s going to have an impact on that.”
Will see whether she weighs in on Plutonium Pete’s $2 Trillion Nuclear Tax.
She should, as it will double inflation, reduce the value of your house, and make Australia an international pariah.
Boerwar
“I can’t see a viable alternative for Japan other than nuclear.”
Agreed. Same reasons as Finland, Korea and Sweden. They have minimal fossil fuels, not much solar and variable wind. All three have the engineering skills to do nuclear themselves competently, so not paying a fortune to foreign companies.
Japan, France and especially Korea would be logical partners for Australia if we did go nuclear, in terms of qualiy and cost.
However neither side of politics at Federal level has any education in STEM skills, let alone nuclear technology. Therefore, like AUKUS, if Australia goes nuclear, our decision makers will make the technology choice based solely on political alliances they can understand.
Hence the LNP, and Labor if it ever inherits the policy, will go with UK or USA to build nuclear This will give us world’s highest cost nuclear power, while ensuring a lucrative supply of post political jobs for the decision makers.
Why UK? Many reasons:
Safety – Windscale. 🙂
Cost – Hinkley C $90 billion 🙂
Lest I sound too sarcastic I heard a UK nuclear engineer give a lecture on the potential to expand from nuclear subs to nuclear power in Adelaide at Engineers Australia literally within weeks of AUKUS back in 2021.
“Fast forward to today: The dams are still full. We haven’t had a dry autumn in Sydney since 2008. And it’s yet another freezing cold day like usual.”
Or, if you one if from W.A. ……… not so much that experience.
Have a look at:
https://www.watercorporation.com.au/Our-water/Rainfall-and-dams/Streamflow
“As I said, it’s taken Dutton a lot of guts to propose his nuclear energy policies.”
center…… since when is an unsupported brainfart like this a policy?? More and more its looking like the Libs really aren’t interested in Nuclear, just disrupting any investment in renewables so they can claim its somehow failed a “market” test.
Its a pretty good indicator of whats happening. Real and right in our faces.
OK One more observation from me on Duttons nuke the power grid plan. The flagship Hastings nuke power plant in the UK was started in 2007 with a 10 yr completion date for nine billion pounds. New completion date now is 2031 at a cost of 92.5 billion pounds. Oops !!
Entropy
I welcome all forms of energy competing on a level playing field in the marketplace.
A fact is that Australia could shut down the entire economy from now to 2050 and it wouldn’t make a zac of difference to the climate.
In fact, had Australia’s emissions been zero since 2007, you’d be pointing to the climate as it is today and calling it a huge success!
The 3 eyed fish meme is totaly legit. 🙂
https://www.indiatimes.com/news/india/fish-with-three-eyes-caught-in-greenland-and-simpsons-fans-are-convinced-it-is-blinky-636710.html
Dutton has announced that the real problem with sunshine is that you can’t dig it up.
“In fact, had Australia’s emissions been zero since 2007, you’d be pointing to the climate as it is today and calling it a huge success!”
center ….. you are an idiot.
“Dutton has announced that the real problem with sunshine is that you can’t dig it up.”
Cause Gina told him so. 🙂
Centre should probably start associating with smarter people.
If you still think climate change is a hoax in 20-fucking-24, you need your head checked.
centre is an unimaginative concern troll
centresays:
Saturday, June 22, 2024 at 2:02 pm
Entropy
I welcome all forms of energy competing on a level playing field in the marketplace.
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Nuclear can’t compete on a level playing field in Australia. Which is why Dutton will be charging the tax payer totally for it, unlike renewables. While renewables which commercial interests are happy to invest in will be blocked by the LNP. That is not a level playing field. It a distorted playing field in which taxpayers are paying for Dutton’s nuclear folly. It is the equivalent to a big huge nuclear tax on the taxpayer.
“ In fact, had Australia’s emissions been zero since 2007, you’d be pointing to the climate as it is today and calling it a huge success!”
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By this logic, if a Liberal MP gave up drink driving yet there were still fatal crashes due to drink driving, then that MP might decide to just keep drink driving.
(Sorry, bad example. No Liberal MP would ever drink drive.)
Just another thing, the cost of Dutton’s nuclear power plants will not cost the taxpayers a cent or put any pressure on the budget.
The nuclear power plants will be deemed to be government assets and could be sold in the future for an absolute fortune.
In the meantime, it would ultimately lower the cost of energy, be better for the economy, lower inflation and less pressure on interest rates 🙂
Ashasays:
Saturday, June 22, 2024 at 2:04 pm
Centre should probably start associating with smarter people.
If you still think climate change is a hoax in 20-fucking-24, you need your head checked.
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Funnier was claim that in the western regions of Sydney don’t believe in climate change. It was only in 2019 Parramatta recorded 50 Celsius as fires burnt along nearly all coastal ranges from Qld to Vic borders. Then followed the multiple once in hundred year floods they got a few months apart.
Dutts has taken the angry pills
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/dutton-goes-off-script-labels-albanese-a-child-in-a-man-s-body-20240622-p5jnug.html
Boerwar
Hope you’re well mate 🙂
You can do better than that at 2.04 pm lol.
Entropy
Agreed re nuclear/renewables and the level playing field. Why isn’t the LNP proposing to compulsorily acquire sites to build wind farms? Same end result but far cheaper.
On the nuclear thought bubble, obviously it will be far more expensive for consumers. The timing is also terrible for consumers.
Nuclear plants will take 15-20 years to build. During that time, we will be both still burning costly gas (so high energy bills) and taxpayers will be paying hundreds of billions extra in tax to pay for the construction. So no tax relief either.
Well, you can’t argue with this flawless logic!
Center..
The nuclear power plants will be deemed to be government assets and could be sold in the future for an absolute fortune.
Must be a National. Their motto is:
‘Socialise the losses, and privatise the gains..’
“Which is why Dutton will be charging the tax payer totally for it, unlike renewables.”
so….. Duttons Nuclear Tax the slogan for the next election. 🙂
“The nuclear power plants will be deemed to be government assets and could be sold in the future for an absolute fortune.”
Which will not cover the liability that taxpayers are exposed to under Duttons plan.
Someone obviously not learned the lessons of previous infrastructure privatizations. The Kool aid is strong in this one.
Slightly off topic, but why are England allowed in the Euros?
Surely a consequence of Brexit would have them excluded from sport on the continent.
centresays:
Saturday, June 22, 2024 at 2:13 pm
Just another thing, the cost of Dutton’s nuclear power plants will not cost the taxpayers a cent or put any pressure on the budget.
The nuclear power plants will be deemed to be government assets and could be sold in the future for an absolute fortune.
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What rot, if commercial interests believed that they would be investing in them. The fact that Government needs to totally pay for them with taxpayers money. Tells you nobody believes your statement, who has any financial nous at all.
If they get built they will be huge white elephants. If they get sold it will be at a lot less than what the taxpayer paid for them to be built. Unless you know more than all the commercial interests in this country, which somehow i doubt.
If true also we would of also got a business case with Dutton’s announcement. The fact we didn’t and it want be released till just before the election. Tells us also that it doesn’t stack up financially.
Interesting that Birmingham is does not seem to be completely supportive of Duttons brainfart??
Differentiating himself ? #liberalleadershit happening?? 🙂
centresays:
Saturday, June 22, 2024 at 2:17 pm
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By the way “centre” do you know a poster called “Alabama” by any chance?
As you sort of remind me of them.
Slightly off-topic.
So how is Labor’s ban on gambling advertising going?
Can you believe it, NSW are favourites for game 2 on Wednesday night again. Fair dinkum you could have had a rollover superfund just backing Queensland since about 1990 and it would be worth billions today lol
Entropy
Do not know of a poster Alabama
sprocket_ @ #1742 Saturday, June 22nd, 2024 – 2:25 pm
Pretty sure the English FA affiliation with EUFA predates the European Union and as it’s a sporting body not in any way affected by the European Union.
There are other members of EUFA who are not in the EU eg Russia
centresays:
Saturday, June 22, 2024 at 2:35 pm
Entropy
Do not know of a poster Alabama
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That’s fine, sometimes when there is a new name posting. It is an old poster just going with a new moniker. Sometimes obviously it is a new poster or a poster who has rarely posted in the recent past getting much more active.