Weekend miscellany: Bullwinkel, Bradfield and Bennelong (open thread)

An alliterative trio of seats faces redistribution-related preselection complications.

The site has been grappling with a few technical issues over the past day or so, which are hopefully now resolved. Perhaps this was the reason yesterday’s post following the count for the New South Wales state by-election for Northern Tablelands, which as expected was a lay-down misere for the Nationals, attracted a grand total of zero comments. Or perhaps not. Looking ahead, I believe we have a quiet week coming up on the polling front, unless The Australian treats us to quarterly Newspoll aggregates with state and demographic breakdowns, which are about due. Other than that, there is likely to be only the weekly Roy Morgan until the three-weekly YouGov poll, which past form suggests should be with us on Friday.

Much of this week’s preselection news relates directly or indirectly to the federal redistributions, which I discussed with Ben Raue of The Tally Room in a podcast you can access at the bottom of this post:

The West Australian reports former state Nationals leader Mia Davies has confirmed approaches from “senior Nationals in the eastern states” to run in the proposed new seat of Bullwinkel, which partly corresponds with the state seat of Central Wheatbelt that she he has held since 2013. The idea has been talked up by party leader David Littleproud, and not ruled out by Davies. Davies led the Nationals from the defeat of the Barnett government in March 2017 and held the title of Opposition Leader after the party emerged from the 2021 election landslide with more seats than the Liberals, before stepping aside in January 2023 and announcing she would not contest the next election. She became a figure of controversy within the party when she called for Barnaby Joyce to resign in 2018 over sexual harassment allegations.

Paul Sakkal of the Sydney Morning Herald reports “teal sources not permitted to speak on the record” say Nicolette Boele, who was gearing up for a second run as an independent in Bradfield, remains keen despite expectations Kylea Tink will seek to move there with the mooted abolition of her seat of North Sydney. Boele came within 4.2% of unseating Liberal member Paul Fletcher in 2022. Reports last week suggested former state Treasurer Matt Kean, who announced his impending departure from state parliament on Tuesday, might challenge Fletcher for Liberal preselection, but Sakkal reports party sources saying he will only seek the seat if Fletcher retires. Alexandra Smith of the Sydney Morning Herald reports any path to preselection for Kean in Bradfield would be complicated by the fact that the redistribution leaves his “Liberal branch enemies” within the redrawn seat.

Aaron Patrick of the Financial Review reports Hunters Hill mayor Zac Miles has been lobbying for the NSW Liberal Party to reopen the preselection process for Bennelong, after the proposed new boundaries made it more favourable to the party by adding territory from abolished North Sydney. Such a move would come at the expense of Scott Yung, a tutoring business owner who came with 1.8% of deposing Chris Minns from his seat of Kogarah at the state election in 2019, who was preselected unopposed last October. A source is also quoted saying Gisele Kapterian, who had been preselected for North Sydney, also canvassed for support for Bennelong, but has decided not to proceed.

Annika Smethurst of The Age reports on resistance in local Labor branches to a Socialist Left faction fait accompli that appears set to deliver preselection for the outer northern Melbourne seat of Calwell, which will be vacated with the retirement of Maria Vamvakinou, to Basem Abdo, a communications specialist born in Kuwait of Palestinian parents. Sensitivities are heightened by the fact that members only had preselection rights restored to them a year ago after a three-year takeover of the state branch by the national executive following branck-stacking scandals, with some reportedly threatening to back a “Dai Le-style campaign”.

Blake Antrobus of news.com.au reports Queensland Liberal Senator Gerard Rennick has failed in his court bid against his preselection defeat last year, the court having ruled that the Liberal National Party was within its rights to set a 60-day time frame for lodging an appeal which Rennick failed to meet.

Author: William Bowe

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, has existed in one form or another since 2004, and is one of the most heavily trafficked websites on Australian politics.

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  1. Good morning Dawn Patrollers.

    Dutton’s nuclear non-policy sets a new low for political debate, declares Sean Kelly who says the policy seem born of cowardice. Kelly concludes his long and interesting discussion with, “And if the media, so fond of deploring soundbite politics, wants something substantial to cover, then it needs to learn that objectivity does not mean treating soundbites as equivalent to substance just because one side claims that to be the case.”
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/dutton-s-nuclear-non-policy-sets-a-new-low-for-political-debate-20240623-p5jnyl.html
    Dutton’s nuclear plan is surrounded by false claims and policy gaps – but people are listening, writes David Rowe. He says Peter Dutton has invited Australians into a nuclear maze that has dozens of dead ends and no clear pathway because his plan is so free of facts. Even so, the mere promise of a solution to the country’s energy mess is enough to win many voters to the idea of nuclear as a source of reliable power without greenhouse gas emissions.
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/dutton-s-nuclear-plan-is-surrounded-by-false-claims-and-policy-gaps-but-people-are-listening-20240623-p5jnz2.html
    The SMH editorial says that Dutton’s tight-lipped nuclear policy takes people for fools.
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/dutton-s-tight-lipped-nuclear-policy-takes-people-for-fools-20240623-p5jnyy.html
    Following Ted O’Brien’s trainwreck Insiders appearance, Karen Middleton says that the Coalition’s power plan is becoming less and less clear.
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/article/2024/jun/23/nuclear-confusion-the-coalitions-power-plan-is-becoming-less-and-less-clear
    In a classic outburst, Paul Keating has unloaded on Dutton, describing him as a charlatan, opportunist, climate change denialist.
    https://johnmenadue.com/peter-dutton-climate-denialist-peddler-of-danger/Peter Dutton’s nuclear energy policy will do nothing to ease Australians’ hip-pocket pain, now or in the future, argues Tony Wood.
    https://theconversation.com/peter-duttons-nuclear-energy-policy-will-do-nothing-to-ease-australians-hip-pocket-pain-now-or-in-the-future-232915
    Climate and energy have emerged as a federal election flashpoint. But unless the economy improves, will voters be listening, wonders Mark Kenny.
    https://theconversation.com/climate-and-energy-have-emerged-as-a-federal-election-flashpoint-but-unless-the-economy-improves-will-voters-be-listening-232903
    A senior US official has urged Australia and other countries not to back away from their 2030 climate commitments, insisting that “we all have a collective responsibility for the planet we live in”. Daniel Husrt writes that rhe message from Australia’s top security ally contrasts with rhetoric from the opposition leader, Peter Dutton, who claimed on Saturday the Labor government was “appeasing the international climate lobby” and “global climate activists”.
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/article/2024/jun/23/us-official-warns-against-dropping-2030-climate-targets-after-dutton-refuses-to-commit-to-43-emissions-cut
    It’s time to go nuclear on the Coalition’s stupidity, writes Ebony Bennett who says the Coalition’s nuclear announcement is an absolute farce and no one should pretend otherwise.
    https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/8670607/the-coalitions-nuclear-plan-for-australia-is-a-costly-farce/?cs=14329
    Having reignited the “climate wars” with pie-in-the-sky nuclear energy plans, if the plans fail, Dutton and Littleproud will face the wrath of a climate-war-weary Australian people at the ballot box, writes Belinda Jones.
    https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/a-coalition-pie-in-the-sky-nuclearnightmare,18704
    Mark Kenny reckons the once dominant Liberal Party of Australia – a hitherto blue chip stock unrivalled in its electoral success and proudly headquartered in the leafy enclaves of Melbourne’s inner-east and Sydney’s harbourside – is now owned and run by the Queensland-based LNP.
    https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/8668258/mark-kenny-liberal-party-shifts-to-nuclear-power-in-chaotic-plan/?cs=27845
    The first auction of the Capacity Investment Scheme has received more than 40 gigawatts of project registrations, showing there is a strong pipeline of renewables ready to go with the right policy settings. Writes Chris Bowen in an AFR op-ed. He says the culture war is driving Coalition’s plan to stop a renewables rollout.
    https://www.afr.com/policy/energy-and-climate/culture-war-is-driving-coalition-s-plan-to-stop-renewables-rollout-20240623-p5jnz7
    The first auction for renewable projects to receive revenue guarantees under Labor’s Capacity Investment Scheme was oversubscribed seven times over, with enough bids to comfortably meet the policy’s 32 gigawatt 2030 target. Today, Energy Minister Chris Bowen will reveal the first auction for 6 gigawatts of renewable energy received bids from more than 100 projects covering more than 40 gigawatts of renewable energy production.
    https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/coalition-to-keep-nuclear-power-even-if-voters-say-no-20240623-p5jnxr
    Should Australia recognise housing as a human right? Two crossbenchers are taking up the cause, explains Paul Karp.
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/article/2024/jun/24/should-australia-recognise-housing-as-a-human-right-two-crossbenchers-are-taking-up-the-cause
    Australia’s supermarket giants could be fined billions of dollars – the highest penalties for any industry – if they breach a revamped and mandatory code of conduct designed to fix an imbalance of bargaining power between the major grocery stores and small suppliers, reports Natassia Chrysanthos. Jim Chalmers said the government had accepted all of Craig Emerson’s recommendations as part of its “wide-ranging cost-of-living crackdown on anticompetitive behaviour in the food and grocery sector”.
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/woolworths-and-coles-face-billion-dollar-fines-under-stronger-grocery-code-20240623-p5jnz8.html
    The Australian Medical Association has accused David Littleproud and the Nationals of taking the advice of the tobacco lobby over health experts on vaping and accused the junior Coalition party of seeking “to gamble with people’s health”. Josh Butler writes that ahead of a crucial vote on the government’s anti-vaping restrictions in parliament this week, the AMA president, Prof Steve Robson, claimed the Nationals’ suggestion of regulating vapes the same way as cigarettes is “a tax grab that shows a complete disregard for the health of Australians”.
    https://www.theguardian.com/society/article/2024/jun/24/national-party-serving-interests-of-tobacco-lobby-on-vaping-australian-medical-association-says-ntwnfb
    The Albanese government risks running out of time before the next election to pass its first-term commitments – more than 60 bills remain before parliament and at least two dozen more are still to come. Ronald Mizen tells us that with the election due within 12 months and a swath of policies slated for consideration in the second half of the year, ministers privately concede that some decisions could be pushed back to a likely second term.
    https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/election-countdown-labor-has-plenty-of-laws-to-pass-before-voting-day-20240619-p5jn8d
    The next federal election will face unprecedented challenges from AI-generated content and fake news, Australia’s top election official has warned. James Massola tells us that Australian electoral commissioner Tom Rogers said there had already been several “deepfake, AI-generated moments” during the United Kingdom election campaign and he expected Australia would face similar problems.
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/australia-isn-t-ready-for-the-first-ai-election-electoral-commission-warns-20240617-p5jmhs.html
    Kieran Rooney and Broede Carmody report that a seven-tower development in Melbourne’s east has been given the green light as the Allan government forges ahead with its promise to squeeze tens of thousands of new homes around Suburban Rail Loop stations. The tower will be up to 50 stories high.
    https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/high-rises-up-to-50-storeys-get-green-light-for-melbourne-suburb-20240623-p5jnyo.html
    The reasons of the South Australian Court of Appeal on why Richard Boyle will face criminal charges will make every Australian (except the Australian Tax Office leadership) sick in the stomach. Former senator Rex Patrick reports.
    https://michaelwest.com.au/the-making-of-a-criminal-from-a-whistleblower/

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  2. Entropy @ 6.42pm
    Here at Nth Avoca Beach, I would prefer to not be able to see the 20km over the horizon wind farms, than the highly visible line of tankers, container ships and coal vessels which form a very visible line across my sea view, from the Central Coast to Port Newcastle.

  3. laughtong says:
    Monday, June 24, 2024 at 7:21 am
    Aussies say yes to nuclear: Poll reveals majority support

    https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/poll-shows-majority-of-aussies-support-nuclear-power-plan/news-story/72e344f1aea990623d38b98f64787115

    For those that can access. Numbers scattered though it

    ________

    Thanks. A total of 923 respondents over the weekend. Just over 100 people on average in each of these five regional areas, plus 100 people in Melbourne, Sydney, Adelaide and Brisbane. Doesn’t say who did it. The third question is interesting “Does this make you more or less likely to vote for the Coalition at the next federal election?”

    Melbourne: Less likely: 65 per cent
    La Trobe: Less likely: 42 per cent
    Brisbane: Less likely: 59 per cent
    Nanango, Yarraman Biloela:Less likely: 50 per cent
    Sydney: Less likely: 52 per cent
    Muswellbrook, Scone, Newcastle: Less likely: 57 per cent
    Adelaide: Less likely: 60 per cent
    Port Augusta: Less likely: 69 per cent

    Why did they publish Question 3 as it doesn’t feed the narrative? Also, a few but not all had “No impact” as a response. Inconsistent method?

  4. Thanks BK . That deep fake AI election stuff in the UK is very disturbing. Strap yourselves in kids, it’s going to come down under and get very ugly. The AEC currently has no power to deal with fake claims if they are “properly authorised”.

  5. Where are the Greens ?
    Looking for which way the wind blows ?

    [Since the Greens’ humble beginnings more than 30 years ago, we’ve grown into a party that stands up for the environment, our society, and always for what’s right.]

    (From their website]

  6. Inflation going up,Aussies about to spend 10 billion on end of financial year sales and tax cuts putting tens of billions into low income earners hands who will spend it.
    Interest rate increases here we come.

    It’s not about nuclear it’s about libs getting votes off the back of high electricity bills and looking to be doing something.Irrelevant if they do it in 30 years time it’s about winning this election.Labor speaks out against it and it is coming across as not caring about electricity bills.Clever lib tactic provided of course public is not overly negative on nuclear.Bills come first to them.

  7. Attacks on police officers, two churches and a synagogue in Russia’s North Caucasus republic of Dagestan have left many people dead. Gunmen targeted the cities of Derbent and Makhachkala on the Orthodox festival of Pentecost.
    The dead include at least six police officers, a priest and a security guard. Four of the attackers are dead and police are hunting for others. The assailants have not been identified, but Dagestan has in the past been the scene of Islamist attacks.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crgggwg158do

  8. The U.S.S. Eisenhower has reached the Mediterranean on its way from the Red Sea, back to its home base in Virginia but will remain there to “assist” in any development that may occur between Israel and Lebanon, Sky News Arabic reported on Saturday. The Associated Press said early on Sunday that the carrier was off the Egyptian coast of Port Said, Egypt.
    It had been part of the naval deployment to respond to the Houthi attacks on maritime traffic. On Sunday, the U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM) said that U.S. forces destroyed three unmanned Houthi surface vessels in the Red Sea in the past 24 hours. The U.S.S. Roosevelt that has been deployed off South Korea will replace it in the Middle East.
    The reports on the naval movements come as concerns grow in the international community over a possible full-on war between Israel and Lebanon and the Israeli suggestions that its patience was running out amid the ongoing Hezbollah rocket and drone strikes on the Galilee.
    CNN reported late last week that Israel was moving resources from the fighting in Gaza to the northern border area and that the Biden administration was worried it would launch a “blitzkrieg” against the Iran-backed Hezbollah terror group. Officials told the network that there was a risk of the war expanding into a regional conflict. They also said that Israel’s aerial defenses may not withstand Hezbollah attacks if swarms of drones and projectiles are used to target critical strategic sites.
    https://www.ynetnews.com/article/skgeweh80

  9. Britain Elects @BritainElects How would the UK vote if the election was held today?

    LAB: 435 MPs (+235)
    CON: 96 (-276)
    LDEM: 63 (+55)
    SNP: 24 (-24)
    REF: 6 (+6)
    GRN: 4 (+3)
    PC: 3 (+1)

  10. That Herald Sun poll is not credible. The sample size for each region is about 100, too small to draw very meaningful conclusions (MOE about 10%).

    Also, the poll appears in a right-wing propaganda outlet. It appears to have been selectively reported (omitting Question 3 results) and spun. We would need to see the questions asked. Was it structured to get the “right” answers. Was it a push poll. Finally, how was the sample chosen. Liberal-friendly local businesses?

  11. Goll the Greens are busy doing pro Palestine stuff aimed at cornering the Muslim vote in Wills. The environment can wait.

  12. Steve777 says:
    Monday, June 24, 2024 at 8:05 am
    That Herald Sun poll is not credible. The sample size for each region is about 100, too small to draw very meaningful conclusions (MOE about 10%).

    Also, the poll appears in a right-wing propaganda outlet. It appears to have been selectively reported (omitting Question 3 results) and spun. We would need to see the questions asked. Was it structured to get the “right” answers. Was it a push poll. Finally, how was the sample chosen. Liberal-friendly local businesses?

    _________

    Agreed. I will add some cheek in saying if we have a sampling bias for the Coalition, and we have a positive response for nuclear, then the results for Question 3 might be a worry for them 😉

    But in seriousness, it adds some, albeit limited evidence, to the concept that the Australian population isn’t completely anti-nuclear. But they may not be buying the Coalition thought bubble.

  13. And here come the usual suspects accusing the greens of not doing enough to battle the libs nuclear narrative. Even though the polls show that the greens are the least in favour… so tell me, where is Labor given their voter base is more supportive 🙂

  14. Lordbainsays:
    Monday, June 24, 2024 at 8:16 am
    [And here come the usual suspects accusing the greens of not doing enough to battle the libs nuclear narrative. Even though the polls show that the greens are the least in favour… so tell me, where is Labor given their voter base is more supportive ]

    A whimper from the Greens.
    That’s a start.

  15. Whatever its merits, nuclear will not power a single toaster or light bulb for at least 20 years. What’s the plan between now and then? Is anyone asking?

  16. Goll
    In years past a nuclear policy or any grand policy put forward the Greens were against would have them spring into action immediately.

    On nuclear, Greens across Europe!

    I read an article from some disillusioned Greens in Europe who claimed they had been hijacked by pro nuclear activists.

    Today I’ll try & find the alternate article by the pro nuclear activists who openly state they had infiltrated the Greens to secure the future of nuclear power.

    This is wild batshit crazy stuff!

  17. Hey goll remind me about something… why is nuclear pretty much outlawed in the first place? Meanwhile I guarantee Labor will do what it always does; fumble the narrative, and then adopt the libs policies as their own. I mean, it’s not like they did it for immigration and emissions reduction 🙂

  18. Pied Piper. says:
    Monday, June 24, 2024 at 7:57 am

    It’s not about nuclear
    …’
    —————–
    True. It is about D’Oh Dutton’s policy competency… lack thereof.

  19. When you ask a question Leadbrain that makes sense or any comment about anything that makes sense I will respond. Till then, donuts.

  20. Funny, I thought it was The Greens who capitulated to Labor policy in the parliament after a bit of performative foot stamping? You know, where the rubber hits the road.

    Anyway, Lordbain, good luck waiting until the end of the century for The Greens to have enough MP in the Lower House to maybe form government, when they will finally be able to implement their own policies. That is, if the Teals haven’t overwhelmed them, as they have already. 🙂

  21. Meanwhile, what’s been happening at the Adani Mine?

    I remember my street in Melbourne was filled with Green corflutes saying stop Labor’s Adani Mine!

    Meanwhile Adani himself donated huge sums to both LNP and PHON. An Asian donating to PHON. How things have changed.

  22. Lordbainsays:
    Monday, June 24, 2024 at 8:22 am
    Hey goll remind me about something.

    I’ll remind you that in the late seventies and into the eighties, I was there.

    Where is the outrage ?

  23. Griff, not sure how to break this to you old buddy old pall… but this chat means absolutely nothing for the parties and players. I know certain people here like to pretend they actually have an influence on the policies of the parties, but I’m sure even when they go and chat to their respected member, they get a nice smile, and a headshake, and an empty promise.

    Still waiting for the nacc to do something btw, but I noticed alot of the usual suspects shut up about that a while ago. Maybe if Labor hadn’t co designed it with the libs it might be more then a paper tiger 🙂

  24. Lordbain @ #583 Monday, June 24th, 2024 – 8:32 am

    Griff, not sure how to break this to you old buddy old pall… but this chat means absolutely nothing for the parties and players. I know certain people here like to pretend they actually have an influence on the policies of the parties, but I’m sure even when they go and chat to their respected member, they get a nice smile, and a headshake, and an empty promise.

    Still waiting for the nacc to do something btw, but I noticed alot of the usual suspects shut up about that a while ago. Maybe if Labor hadn’t co designed it with the libs it might be more then a paper tiger 🙂

    So, why are YOU here?

    Oh, that’s right, you’re only here while you are on holidays. 😆

  25. CAT, thanks for continuously asking how my holidays going; makes me feel like a valued member of this community 🙂

  26. Lars Von Triersays:
    Monday, June 24, 2024 at 8:36 am
    [Goll , when r u going to stop complaining and get off your backside and do something about it ?]

    You used that one over ten years ago Larsy.

    (with another alias)

  27. Lordbain says:
    Monday, June 24, 2024 at 8:32 am
    Griff, not sure how to break this to you old buddy old pall… but this chat means absolutely nothing for the parties and players. I know certain people here like to pretend they actually have an influence on the policies of the parties, but I’m sure even when they go and chat to their respected member, they get a nice smile, and a headshake, and an empty promise.

    Still waiting for the nacc to do something btw, but I noticed alot of the usual suspects shut up about that a while ago. Maybe if Labor hadn’t co designed it with the libs it might be more then a paper tiger

    __________

    I very much hope the NACC does what it says on the tin. But why the distraction from the topic du jour? The Greens policy is no nuclear power. I would have thought they would have some more get up and go on this?

  28. The Australian:
    One bleak winter and gas is gone

    The nation is facing a deepening energy crisis on 2 fronts with gas shortages so acute that Victori’s main storage plant is set to run out by the end of winter and one of Australia’s biggest manufacturers warning it will slash jobs and close factories if supplies remain short.

  29. AIMS
    The Australian Greens want:

    5. Uranium mining companies to be liable for rehabilitation of uranium mining sites and be subject to enforcement of standards to safely contain and monitor radioactive tailings wastes for at least 10,000 years.

    10,000 years?
    They’re having a laugh at the expense of their dopey followers.

  30. So Keating is right on nuclear but wrong on Penny Wong.
    It’s so hard when you have to pick and choose.
    6 months ago he was suffering from dementia with his Wong comments and now he is the go-to in the Nuclear debate.

  31. Lordbain @ #586 Monday, June 24th, 2024 – 8:37 am

    CAT, thanks for continuously asking how my holidays going; makes me feel like a valued member of this community 🙂

    And thanks for reminding us that you never answer the question about your so-called holidays as the reason for your presence here. Must be some job that gives you such a long holiday.

  32. Paul Keating is right sometimes, other times wrong – like everyone else – but definitely worth listening to.

  33. Badthinker @ #591 Monday, June 24th, 2024 – 8:46 am

    The Australian:
    One bleak winter and gas is gone

    The nation is facing a deepening energy crisis on 2 fronts with gas shortages so acute that Victori’s main storage plant is set to run out by the end of winter and one of Australia’s biggest manufacturers warning it will slash jobs and close factories if supplies remain short.

    Is there any verifiable proof from the Lolstralian for that story, Badthinker? Or is it just another apocryphal tale they are spinning to try and damage Labor?

    However, when you actually think about it, we have John Howard to thank for any gas shortfall IF there is one.

  34. Don’t think anyone reasonable expects someone to be right all the time… but Taylor’s right that there’s a level of absurdity with how fair-weather certain posters are about Keating…

  35. Taylormade @ #594 Monday, June 24th, 2024 – 8:56 am

    So Keating is right on nuclear but wrong on Penny Wong.
    It’s so hard when you have to pick and choose.
    6 months ago he was suffering from dementia with his Wong comments and now he is the go-to in the Nuclear debate.

    What don’t you get about people can be wrong about one thing (the personal attacks on Penny Wong), and right about nuclear power? Only if you are a sheep who believes in, my side right or wrong, I suppose.

    Also, what’s not true about an elderly person having lucid days and other days when they are not so lucid? It’s not dementia per se but could be a sign of senility, which isn’t so bad.

  36. Wow CAT… when Keating agrees it a sign of a great man, but when he doesnt/goes against Labor it could be a sign of senility… truly you continue to impress me with missing the point 🙂

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