The site has been grappling with a few technical issues over the past day or so, which are hopefully now resolved. Perhaps this was the reason yesterday’s post following the count for the New South Wales state by-election for Northern Tablelands, which as expected was a lay-down misere for the Nationals, attracted a grand total of zero comments. Or perhaps not. Looking ahead, I believe we have a quiet week coming up on the polling front, unless The Australian treats us to quarterly Newspoll aggregates with state and demographic breakdowns, which are about due. Other than that, there is likely to be only the weekly Roy Morgan until the three-weekly YouGov poll, which past form suggests should be with us on Friday.
Much of this week’s preselection news relates directly or indirectly to the federal redistributions, which I discussed with Ben Raue of The Tally Room in a podcast you can access at the bottom of this post:
• The West Australian reports former state Nationals leader Mia Davies has confirmed approaches from “senior Nationals in the eastern states” to run in the proposed new seat of Bullwinkel, which partly corresponds with the state seat of Central Wheatbelt that she he has held since 2013. The idea has been talked up by party leader David Littleproud, and not ruled out by Davies. Davies led the Nationals from the defeat of the Barnett government in March 2017 and held the title of Opposition Leader after the party emerged from the 2021 election landslide with more seats than the Liberals, before stepping aside in January 2023 and announcing she would not contest the next election. She became a figure of controversy within the party when she called for Barnaby Joyce to resign in 2018 over sexual harassment allegations.
• Paul Sakkal of the Sydney Morning Herald reports “teal sources not permitted to speak on the record” say Nicolette Boele, who was gearing up for a second run as an independent in Bradfield, remains keen despite expectations Kylea Tink will seek to move there with the mooted abolition of her seat of North Sydney. Boele came within 4.2% of unseating Liberal member Paul Fletcher in 2022. Reports last week suggested former state Treasurer Matt Kean, who announced his impending departure from state parliament on Tuesday, might challenge Fletcher for Liberal preselection, but Sakkal reports party sources saying he will only seek the seat if Fletcher retires. Alexandra Smith of the Sydney Morning Herald reports any path to preselection for Kean in Bradfield would be complicated by the fact that the redistribution leaves his “Liberal branch enemies” within the redrawn seat.
• Aaron Patrick of the Financial Review reports Hunters Hill mayor Zac Miles has been lobbying for the NSW Liberal Party to reopen the preselection process for Bennelong, after the proposed new boundaries made it more favourable to the party by adding territory from abolished North Sydney. Such a move would come at the expense of Scott Yung, a tutoring business owner who came with 1.8% of deposing Chris Minns from his seat of Kogarah at the state election in 2019, who was preselected unopposed last October. A source is also quoted saying Gisele Kapterian, who had been preselected for North Sydney, also canvassed for support for Bennelong, but has decided not to proceed.
• Annika Smethurst of The Age reports on resistance in local Labor branches to a Socialist Left faction fait accompli that appears set to deliver preselection for the outer northern Melbourne seat of Calwell, which will be vacated with the retirement of Maria Vamvakinou, to Basem Abdo, a communications specialist born in Kuwait of Palestinian parents. Sensitivities are heightened by the fact that members only had preselection rights restored to them a year ago after a three-year takeover of the state branch by the national executive following branck-stacking scandals, with some reportedly threatening to back a “Dai Le-style campaign”.
• Blake Antrobus of news.com.au reports Queensland Liberal Senator Gerard Rennick has failed in his court bid against his preselection defeat last year, the court having ruled that the Liberal National Party was within its rights to set a 60-day time frame for lodging an appeal which Rennick failed to meet.
Nadia88 at 5.35pm, if Dutton spends more time in WA, meaning we get an even better look at him, it is likely to increase the ALP margin even more.
Edwina, big accusation there. Socrates brings a level of sobriety, nuance and from the battlefield experience . You, on the other hand (ooooo kinky) bring a level of snark almost unmatched. ‘Hold my beer’.Which of the three sexes are you currently ?
https://www.pollbludger.net/2024/06/23/weekend-miscellany-bullwinkel-bradfield-and-bennelong-open-thread/comment-page-15/#comment-4306809
May be even ‘… Albo’ will take the advice from PJK on $$Ns, less sabre rattling, more trade, diplomacy, not just energy/ nu_c_ular?
The Greens may have enjoyed the hospitality of the Pharmacy Guild recently. Not quite the Chairman’s Lounge, but not too shabby. The AMA were blindsided 😉
But in all seriousness, this is a win for community pharmacy owners (that happen to be an elite group of pharmacists) on top of the 8CPA.
Duttons son pinged with a bag of white powder.Main story.
Herald Sun.
MM, crabwalking from a rightwing(aka FASCIST) result?
No prescription is required for vapes, it’s over the counter medication.
If Senator Steele-John said prohibition doesn’t work he’s right.
Would you rather the gang selling them be licensed or outlaws?
Dont bother Rewi; this collection of the great and wise know best in all things.
Arky says:
Monday, June 24, 2024 at 5:50 pm
@Catprog:
“Do you think a GPS time is best served writing a script for someone to buy a vape or talking to someone who is stick?”
I’m pretty sure that isn’t the reason given by the Greens for their stance.
I don’t know if we are having such a lack of GP time that they can’t write a script for an anti-smoking aid for a smoker, this is like saying we can’t have GPs write scripts for methadone for heroin addicts, they should be talking to someone who has a cold instead (actually, do GPs even write scripts for methadone or does it have to be a specialist? I’m sheltered on this). Smoking is a health problem and it is worth a GP’s time to see a smoker about stopping smoking.
“Plus wouldn’t the taxpayer pay something like $30 per script to the gp in rebates for the appointment?”
No idea. Also sure that isn’t the given reason by the Greens.
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The evidence is dealing with addiction and harm-minimisation takes time and a therapeutic relationship.
Green support in Macnamara is concentrated around St Kilda but drops away once you get away from St Kilda.
outside left @ #902 Monday, June 24th, 2024 – 6:16 pm
Incel. 😐
Lordbain says:
Monday, June 24, 2024 at 6:22 pm
Dont bother Rewi; this collection of the great and wise know best in all things.
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From one joker to another, why do your posts constantly mock the intelligence of your fellow bludgers? Think on it 🙂
Mark David. KAPOW!!!
Well, I just watched the Channel 9 6pm News. They had found a clip of Dutton saying he was against Nuclear. 😆
Also, the Pharmacists have been quick to come out against The Greens’ vapid vape idea. They said they didn’t want to become nicotine retailers and disposers of the garbage. I was pleasantly surprised.
Griff @ #912 Monday, June 24th, 2024 – 6:25 pm
He’s a Green. He’s an elitist.
Rewi says:
Monday, June 24, 2024 at 6:20 pm
No prescription is required for vapes, it’s over the counter medication.
If Senator Steele-John said prohibition doesn’t work he’s right.
Would you rather the gang selling them be licensed or outlaws?
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Prescription is not prohibition. Are you saying Schedule 3 would be better than Schedule 4? Is Senator Steele-John? Codeine is our most recent example. The evidence for codeine is that upscheduling worked for population harm minimisation.
BK
“Next thing Dutton and Ted the Dill will be promoting the phlogiston theory!”
We need to get a good phrenologist in to analyse Dutton’s cranium shape and work out where his strategy will go next.
I saw you picked up on the “burning energy” remark by Dutton. That was the one that caused me to comment earlier today that it was clear the man proposing 7 nuclear reactors for Australia did not understand nuclear power sufficiently to pas high school physics.
Dutton’s inability to understand nuclear power also casts a poor light over many of his 2021/22 AUKUS statements as the former Defense minister.
Andrew Earlwood and I raised many concerns at the time about his implausible claims about why we “could not” get the French SSN because it had to be refuelled. It was BS then and it looks even worse BS now we know the man who said it probably equates refueling a reactor with refueling his ute.
Labor leafletting in Moreton today.
huh?
Morgan not a bad result for L-NP, spooked voters head back to Government at expense of Indies
My best guess:
Greens doing Labor’s hard yards on Palestine, Labor doing the same for Greens on Nuclear
…actually, do GPs even write scripts for methadone or does it have to be a specialist?
Suitably credentialled GPs, afaik. Having done a course in Addiction Management.
It was Labor’s plan to require a prescription *and* purchase at a pharmacy.
There was no plan with any prospect of success (that’s right, the LNP are irrelevant to this debate) that didn’t include a visit to a pharmacy.
Griff @ #904 Monday, June 24th, 2024 – 6:18 pm
So, why did they rush out a press release against the idea?
Here in Sturt, SA we (unusually) got a large mail out from our local Liberal MP, James Stevens today. James is well known from all his speeches in parliament 😉
I wonder if James AKA Mr 0.5%, is feeling nervous?
C@tmomma says:
Monday, June 24, 2024 at 5:47 pm
As a former pharmacist, can I say that this is a silly amendment. I think that, if there was a race for a bucket of money between Premiers and Pharmacists then the Pharmacists would win every time. So, as I have just seen in the US, where pharmacies sell groceries, liquor and cigarettes, that The Greens have just turned pharmacies in Australia into American-style drug stores. Great work, Adam!
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The Pharmacy only sale model was the original Labor plan along with the prescription requirement.The Greens amendment was to only remove the prescription requirement for sales. Sales are still only for adults, and the pharmacy restriction closes the loopholes allowing the corner shops from selling them to kids – which was the main purpose of the restriction to limit access to teens. Remember the prescription model was introduced by SfM as a move to limit access by teens but failed as the import tacked and the sale of the disposable things was everywhere.
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Unless The Greens’ amendment also included a recording mechanism and limitations of the number of vapes which can be purchased. But then addicts just shop around.
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Why should it? We are not talking methadone, pseudo ephedrine or codine. Yes nicotine vapes are addictive but so is alcohol and cigarettes and we allow people over 18 to chose their, legal, poison.
Also remember the the disposable single use products aimed at the youth are banned from import/possession and sale.
Griff
If Senator Steele-John was saying requiring a prescription is the equivalent to prohibition then he’s wrong.
Rewi says:
Monday, June 24, 2024 at 6:31 pm
It was Labor’s plan to require a prescription *and* purchase at a pharmacy.
There was no plan with any prospect of success (that’s right, the LNP are irrelevant to this debate) that didn’t include a visit to a pharmacy.
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I am not sure I follow your argument. Apart from about 6 (from memory) dispensing doctors in remote areas, all prescription only (S4) and drugs of addiction (S8) substances require dispensing at a pharmacy upon prescription. Please help me understand what you are driving at.
Rewi @ #920 Monday, June 24th, 2024 – 6:31 pm
Filling a prescription for medical vapes and getting the pharmacist to come out and okay every sale to a vape addict are two completely different kettles of fish.
Granny Annysays:
Monday, June 24, 2024 at 6:16 pm
Nadia88 at 5.35pm, if Dutton spends more time in WA, meaning we get an even better look at him, it is likely to increase the ALP margin even more.
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He needs to get out and about if he wants to become PM. There is no point in him hanging around QLD.
WA is a massive part of Australia and basically keeps the east coast hospitals & roads funded. It is a huge economy and would probably be the only part of Australia which could function off it’s own bat if we were to all split up again into colonies. I understand what you are saying about “looking at his mug” would increase the ALP margin higher, but as an alternative PM, he has to do it.
I don’t follow the pollies movements around the country, but I note that Albo has spent a bit of time in WA and in western Sydney of recent. Dutton needs to do this as well.
W.A. is a great state too. I’ve been all over it from the south to the far north incl the Gibb River Road about 5 times in the Kimberleys. Love the place.
C@tmomma says:
Monday, June 24, 2024 at 6:27 pm
Well, I just watched the Channel 9 6pm News. They had found a clip of Dutton saying he was against YC@tmomma says:
Monday, June 24, 2024 at 6:27 pm
Well, I just watched the Channel 9 6pm News. They had found a clip of Dutton saying he was against Nuclear.
Also, the Pharmacists have been quick to come out against The Greens’ vapid vape idea. They said they didn’t want to become nicotine retailers and disposers of the garbage. I was pleasantly surprised.
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Yet they sell nicotine gum, nicotine inhalers, nicotine patches and any other form or nicotine replacement therapy. Vapes as nicotine therapy from pharmacies was already available by prescription.
Dr Fumbles,
What constitutes a medical vape and how does it differ from a disposable vape?
C@tmomma says:
Monday, June 24, 2024 at 6:34 pm
Griff @ #904 Monday, June 24th, 2024 – 6:18 pm
“The Greens may have enjoyed the hospitality of the Pharmacy Guild recently. Not quite the Chairman’s Lounge, but not too shabby. The AMA were blindsided
But in all seriousness, this is a win for community pharmacy owners (that happen to be an elite group of pharmacists) on top of the 8CPA.”
So, why did they rush out a press release against the idea?
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From The Guardian story? It is the opposite of what I would expect. AMA for and Guild against pharmacy only scheduling. So long as there is a marketed product the Guild would normally be all for it. S3 have the highest profit margins as a category.
Dr Fumbles Mcstupid @ #928 Monday, June 24th, 2024 – 6:41 pm
Coles and Woolworths sell nicotine replacement products, afaik (I’ll check tomorrow when I go in).
I think that the pharmacists were happy to fill the prescriptions but The Greens want a pharmacist to consult with each person wishing to buy vapes OTC. This would take up an enormous amount of a pharmacist’s time. As opposed to just getting Nicorette off the shelf.
‘Pied piper says:
Monday, June 24, 2024 at 6:19 pm
Duttons son pinged with a bag of white powder.Main story.
Herald Sun.’
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Not our business, IMO.
Can anyone explain to me why we had to water down anti-vaping legislation to get the Greens to vote for it?? Have the Greens caved in to the Pharmacy Guild? This stuff is literally addicting kids.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-24/vaping-ban-watered-down-greens-support/104016012
C@tmomma says:
Monday, June 24, 2024 at 6:41 pm
Dr Fumbles,
What constitutes a medical vape and how does it differ from a disposable vape?
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Nicotine inhalers. https://www.nicorette.com.au/products/nicotine-inhalator
Griff @ #930 Monday, June 24th, 2024 – 6:44 pm
Like I said before, don’t get between a retail pharmacist and a bucket of money. 😀
However, as I have said I think it’s the time factor involved. Also, I don’t get what they’re saying about not wanting to be garbage collectors? Does The Greens’ amendment make pharmacists take back used vapes before new ones can be issued???
What is Nigel Farage up to? The Reform leader has doubled down over the weekend on his claim that the west helped provoke Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. Following his comments to the BBC on Friday, he then wrote a piece in the Telegraph on Saturday arguing that ‘What I have been saying for the past 10 years is that the west has played into Putin’s hands, giving him the excuse to do what he wanted to do anyway.’ It prompted a torrent of cross-party criticism, with both Rishi Sunak and Keir Starmer calling his remarks ‘disgraceful.’
Such was the storm unleashed by Farage that even Kyiv’s leaders now seem to be getting involved. The Mail on Sunday splashed on claims that a source in President Zelensky’s office has accused Farage of being infected by the ‘virus of Putinism.’ The Ukrainian presidency told the BBC that it will not be putting out an official statement on Farage’s comments. But following Farage’s interview on Friday, a source in the presidential office reportedly warned the Corporation about the ‘virus of Putinism and the rise of war propaganda’, adding: ‘The task of civilised humanity is to fight this virus in the bud.’
An enraged Farage is now threatening to sue the Mail newspaper group, writing on Twitter/X on Sunday night that the Zelensky claim was ‘totally untrue’ and that has now ‘instructed Carter Ruck to deal with it.’ He added that: Tomorrow’s Daily Mail are so desperate to smear Reform that they have now contacted the Russian Foreign Ministry and goaded them into a supposed quote from someone in Sergey Lavrov’s office calling me an ‘ally’. That a UK newspaper group is actively collaborating with the Kremlin to protect their dying Conservative party is an absolute scandal. The British people will see through this act of utter desperation.
With the Mail group now under attack, who better to come to their aid than their superstar columnist? Following Farage’s legal threat, Boris Johnson took to Twitter/X to write a 150-word rebuttal of the Reform leader’s Telegraph article which he called ‘nauseating ahistorical drivel and more Kremlin propaganda’. The former Prime Minister declared that ‘the people of Ukraine voted overwhelmingly in 1991 to be a sovereign and independent country. They were perfectly entitled to seek both NATO and EU membership. There is only one person responsible for Russian aggression against Ukraine – both in 2014 and 2022 – and that is Putin.’ He concluded thus: To try to spread the blame is morally repugnant and parroting Putin’s lies. It is bizarre that the author should also suggest we now reduce our support for Ukraine, when the solution to the conflict is in fact clear – the Ukrainians need to win, and to repel Putin’s invasion. They can and they will. The problem in the last 30 years has not been western provocation but western weakness in the face of Russian aggression – a weakness exemplified by this article.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/boris-savages-farage-over-zelenskyy-spat/
C@tmomma says:
Monday, June 24, 2024 at 6:41 pm
Dr Fumbles,
What constitutes a medical vape and how does it differ from a disposable vape?
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Basically the therapeutic model is multi use, refillable and rechargable and the nicotine dose is controllable. Also the range of flavours is limited to 3 unappealing one – mint, tobacco and something else, with contents tested and approved by the TGA.
Disposables are the single use plastic ones with control or any idea of nicotine content, no approval of ingredients, cheap and throwaway.
C@tmomma says:
Monday, June 24, 2024 at 6:48 pm
Griff @ #930 Monday, June 24th, 2024 – 6:44 pm
C@tmomma says:
Monday, June 24, 2024 at 6:34 pm
Griff @ #904 Monday, June 24th, 2024 – 6:18 pm
“The Greens may have enjoyed the hospitality of the Pharmacy Guild recently. Not quite the Chairman’s Lounge, but not too shabby. The AMA were blindsided
But in all seriousness, this is a win for community pharmacy owners (that happen to be an elite group of pharmacists) on top of the 8CPA.”
So, why did they rush out a press release against the idea?
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“From The Guardian story? It is the opposite of what I would expect. AMA for and Guild against pharmacy only scheduling. So long as there is a marketed product the Guild would normally be all for it. S3 have the highest profit margins as a category.”
Like I said before, don’t get between a retail pharmacist and a bucket of money.
However, as I have said I think it’s the time factor involved. Also, I don’t get what they’re saying about not wanting to be garbage collectors? Does The Greens’ amendment make pharmacists take back used vapes before new ones can be issued???
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The latter would not be ideal. Unless there as an additional professional service fee attached of course 😉
Griff
Seems like there are at least two arguments happening concurrently:
The outcome is poor because pharmacists don’t want it, and
The outcome is poor because doctors aren’t involved.
Apologies, I thought there was another strain in there about the possibility of banning them altogether.
Myself, I think it’s amazing any agreement has been reached at all and would rather celebrate achieving some form of regulation at all.
Griff @ #934 Monday, June 24th, 2024 – 6:46 pm
Thanks. It looks like you can already purchase those. So the amendment is about taking away the GPs right to prescribe them which Labor wanted to give them? But if they’re already available? I’m confused.
Shouldn’t be in the news. Private family business.
Thanks, Dr Fumbles as well. 🙂
Griff, just calling it like I see it
CAT, thats rich coming from the party of big business and donors … and of course home owners.
Good to see the narrative against the greens RE vapes got convoluted… makes for a good read after dinner 🙂
Vapes otc at pharmacies is the best of a bad situation.
Rewi says:
Monday, June 24, 2024 at 6:50 pm
Griff
Seems like there are at least two arguments happening concurrently:
The outcome is poor because pharmacists don’t want it, and
The outcome is poor because doctors aren’t involved.
Apologies, I thought there was another strain in there about the possibility of banning them altogether.
Myself, I think it’s amazing any agreement has been reached at all and would rather celebrate achieving some form of regulation at all.
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No worries! Am in agreement on these issues 🙂
C@tmomma says:
Monday, June 24, 2024 at 6:48 pm
From The Guardian story? It is the opposite of what I would expect. AMA for and Guild against pharmacy only scheduling. So long as there is a marketed product the Guild would normally be all for it. S3 have the highest profit margins as a category.
Like I said before, don’t get between a retail pharmacist and a bucket of money.
However, as I have said I think it’s the time factor involved. Also, I don’t get what they’re saying about not wanting to be garbage collectors? Does The Greens’ amendment make pharmacists take back used vapes before new ones can be issued???
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Hmmm garbage collectors? – maybe a dig at the new customer base.
Outside Left – agree with the opportunity for debate- it is the debate we have never sensibly had but it looks like it won’t happen now. Why have the debate when you can either go for the crash through or reference The Simpsons?
https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/courts-law/lnp-senator-gerard-rennick-loses-bid-to-appeal-preselection-after-suing-his-own-party/news-story/56a5ff1d9de6de0e3f515cc0114e3a41
Will he seek to move to the cross bench?
Not a good one but
Angus Taylor is the only real campaigner the federal lib/nats have , Peter Dutton is not a campaigner
reason why Peter Dutton was hidden during the by-elections which were so called either way seats,
and Dutton was only allowed in the very safe liberal party seats , Fadden and Cook
C@tmomma says:
Monday, June 24, 2024 at 6:51 pm
Griff @ #934 Monday, June 24th, 2024 – 6:46 pm
C@tmomma says:
Monday, June 24, 2024 at 6:41 pm
Dr Fumbles,
What constitutes a medical vape and how does it differ from a disposable vape?
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“Nicotine inhalers. https://www.nicorette.com.au/products/nicotine-inhalator”
Thanks. It looks like you can already purchase those. So the amendment is about taking away the GPs right to prescribe them which Labor wanted to give them? But if they’re already available? I’m confused.
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One can always prescribe as well. As Dr Fumbles says, you don’t get the Willy Wonka flavours with the currently available therapeutic products.