Nuclear fallout (open thread)

Polling on nuclear energy from Resolve Strategic and Freshwater Strategy, the seat of Macnamara from RedBridge Group, and the relative merits of capitalism and socialism from YouGov, along with the usual weekly voting intention numbers from Roy Morgan.

Some data relating to the Coalition’s nuclear energy plans, along with a couple of other things, has helped filled the void in what loomed as a quiet week on the polling front:

• Nine Newspapers had a fresh Resolve Strategic poll focused entirely on the Coalition’s nuclear energy proposal, with no voting intention numbers provided. While this found 41% support for use of nuclear power with 37% opposed, it also found (following a lengthy explanation) 43% preferring “Labor’s plan to use 100% renewables (supported by gas for the next decade or two)” against 33% for “the Coalition’s plan to use nuclear power and some gas to support the renewables”. Nuclear was also the second least favoured energy source out of a list of eleven options, behind coal, with rooftop solar and hydro-electric power most favoured. The poll was conducted from Thursday, a day after Peter Dutton’s announcement, to Sunday, from a sample of 1003.

• Further data on nuclear energy, albeit not from the wake of Peter Dutton’s announcement, is provided by Freshwater Strategy, which has consistently asked respondents if they support or oppose seven designated energy sources in their polling going back to May last year. The last three monthly results have been the most positive for nuclear to date, the latest finding 37% in favour and 32% opposed, but like Resolve Strategic it finds nuclear consistently rated second lowest after coal. The Australian reported on Saturday that Freshwater Strategy conducted further polling for the Coalition focusing on the electorates proposed as sites for the plants, with 59% of those in Maranoa in favour and 33% opposed, 55% in Gippsland in favour with 40% opposed, 52% in O’Connor in favour with 38% opposed, and 51% in Grey in favour with 45% opposed, with tighter but still net favourable results in Calare, Flynn and Hunter.

• The weekly Roy Morgan poll has Labor leading 51-49, after a tied result last week, from primary votes of Labor 31.5% (up two), Coalition 37% (down one), Greens 13% (down half) and One Nation 6% (up one). The poll was conducted Monday to Sunday from a sample of 1696, thus partly before Peter Dutton’s announcement and part after, with its movements well within the boundaries of this pollster’s usual volatility.

• RedBridge Group has a small sample poll from the Melbourne seat of Macnamara, where Labor, Liberal and the Greens polled almost exactly equal shares of the vote in 2022, with Labor rather than the Greens winning after the latter very narrowly went under at the last exclusion. The good news for Labor is that the poll, which was conducted June 13 to 20, finds the Greens at 21% compared with their 29.7% at the election. The bad news is a two-party swing to the Liberals that reduces their margin from 12.2% at the election to 5% in the poll, with Labor’s primary vote down from 31.7% to 30% and the Liberals up from 29.0% to 36%. However, the poll’s sample of 401 puts the margin of error at around 5%.

• YouGov has published a finding from its last federal poll, conducted three weeks ago, suggesting no particular enthusiasm for capitalism over socialism, with 31% of respondents rating themselves between six and ten on a scale running from zero for socialism to ten for capitalism and 27% placing themselves from zero to four, with 42% for the “neutral” option of five. Socialism was favoured by fully 41% of the 18-to-34 age cohort, compared with 23% for capitalism. The poll was conducted May 31 to June 4 from a sample of 1500.

Author: William Bowe

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, has existed in one form or another since 2004, and is one of the most heavily trafficked websites on Australian politics.

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  1. Fess: “And the further descriptions in the article from Assange’s former biography writer of how Assange treated women just underscore why I have a very low opinion of him.”
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    I too have a low opinion of him, but I’m also glad that he’s finally free. I would have been extremely uncomfortable with him being imprisoned in the US for a long period of time for what he did.

    I don’t admire him at all. I don’t see him as a legitimate journalist: just an anarchist who wishes to create trouble by posting secret information on the internet. The leaks from Manning were a direct consequence of the US Government deciding to make a large amount of classified material far more widely accessible than it had been in the past. They did this because, in reality, most of it wasn’t all that sensitive: the consequences of its release being for the most part embarrassment rather than a high level of security risk.

    There were probably lots of benefits achieved by making a lot of this information more widely accessible within the US Government, but I suspect there was a knee jerk reaction after Wikileaks and those benefits have now been lost again. That’s what happens when an anarchist gets hold of this sort of information and just releases it willy nilly. A true journalist would have used the leaked information to lead their further investigative work.

    So Assange is a phony journalist IMO, but I very much doubt that anything he did in relation to Wikileaks should be considered to be a serious crime. So I’m glad he’s free. Even scumbags deserve to have their rights protected.

  2. Can a Jewish Zionist and a Pro-Palestinian, both politicians, become an item? Apparently so..

    Josh Burns and Georgie Purcell about to make a splash.

    It comes after Mr Burns’ St Kilda electoral office was set on fire and windows were smashed in what the MP called a ‘politically motivated attack’.

    The walls of the building were covered in red paint and graffitied with a slogan reading ‘Zionism is fascism’. Zionism refers to the ideology that Jews deserve their own state in their ancestral homeland of Israel.

    It came as the latest in a string of acts of vandalism targeting the offices of state and federal MPs in the wake of the conflict in Gaza.

    But Mr Burns said he and Ms Purcell are able to find common ground on the issue, despite their seemingly distant viewpoints.

    ‘We agree on so much and we talk about the rest. I respect her and she respects me. We agree on what is important – we want peace and an end to the violence,’ he said.

    Ms Purcell, who is the youngest woman in any Australian parliament and the second youngest ever to be elected to Victoria’s Legislative Council, recently posted on Instagram that she had ‘met someone special’ whom she ‘can’t stop thinking about’.

    This has now been revealed to be Mr Burns.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13582851/Georgie-Purcell-Josh-Burns-MP-Palestine.html

  3. Princeplanet: “President Joe obviously had shocker in the debate with facts and figures, he should have done better or maybe just abandoned that line and straight out attacked Trump.”
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    Trump was a target as big as a barn door. He began saying total crap from the outset. But Biden clearly doesn’t possess the mental acuity to be able to respond to such stuff on his feet. Imagine a politician like Keating or John Howard or even Albo up against Trump: they’d have taken him apart piece by piece. Biden wasn’t up to it.

    If there’s another debate, which I very much doubt, he won’t be up to it then either. While Trump was speaking, you could see Biden standing there with his Resting Geriatric Face (or whatever that was) trying to think of clever responses. But when he tried to make them, they didn’t come out properly and got muddled up with various pieces of factual information that he had in his brain. How on earth can anybody fix that? It’s just a function of the ageing process.

    Most people have aged relatives who, when they are asked a simple question, embark on a rambling answer filled with true but irrelevant pieces of information. Biden is becoming like that, as are most (but by no means all) people of his age. And, let’s face it, Biden has long been known as a rambling sort of speaker who was prone to muddle things up and remember things that didn’t actually happen. Comedians used to make jokes about it when he was Vice-President. It’s no surprise that he’s getting even more like this as he ages.
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    “I think if you replace Biden at this late stage it is a sign of panic which people like Trump thrive on, you might as well hand the next 4 years to convicted crook Trump right now so we can get it over with sooner.”
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    Well, it seems to me that it is highly unlikely that the Dems can defeat Trump with a new candidate but well nigh impossible that they can beat him with Biden. So the only rational thing to do right now is to roll the dice.

  4. meher baba:

    Sunday, June 30, 2024 at 7:52 am

    [‘Something has to be done. However, I wouldn’t put it past the Dem leadership simply to put their hands over their ears and plough onwards to a disastrous defeat.’]

    Where’s your evidence to support that claim? There’s no doubt Trump
    won the debate but that doesn’t necessarily translate to voters changing camp in numbers that will lead ‘to a disastrous defeat’ – in point of fact, far from it.

    [‘Despite the poor ratings of Biden’s performance, few respondents are no longer considering voting for Biden.

    Among respondents who completed both the pre- and post-debate survey, just 4% are giving less consideration to voting for Biden. In comparison, 2% are giving less consideration to voting for Trump following the debate.

    As a whole, in the pre-debate wave, 44% of respondents reported that they were considering voting for Biden. This was unchanged in the post-debate wave, where 46% said the same of Biden.

    The percent of respondents considering voting for Trump (44% pre-debate, 44% post-debate) and independent candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr. (18% pre-debate, 18% post-debate) was also unchanged.’] – Ipsos.

  5. sprocket_: “Ms Purcell, who is the youngest woman in any Australian parliament and the second youngest ever to be elected to Victoria’s Legislative Council, recently posted on Instagram that she had ‘met someone special’ whom she ‘can’t stop thinking about’.
    This has now been revealed to be Mr Burns.”
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    Awww. A veritable Romeo and Juliet of contemporary politics. I do wish both of them the best. They’ll make an attractive couple at the Midwinter Ball, although I still really don’t like all those tats (but never mind me, I’m just old).

  6. Meidas is a big Biden supporter. My feeling is that any decent person running against Trump will win, he has too much lead in his saddle bags. Biden had a bad night, his team will learn from this. Meidas says post debate polls are good for President Joe!!! Next debate will see Biden just outright attack Trump and maybe some fact checking will happen. That format with no audience and moderators doing no fact checking was complete BS.

  7. And now, it’s time for me to brave the weather and get some exercise before settling down in the afternoon with a few beers to be disappointed by my beloved St Kilda for the umpteenth time.

    PS: shellbell, I commiserate with you re the Swans, but boy they’ve had a good run.

    PPS: I don’t really commisserate with you. Being descended from St Kilda supporters on my mother’s side, I was instilled at a young age with an intense dislike for our one-time neighbouring rivals. Albeit that, not that long ago, my mother confessed to me with some embarrassment that she had dated a South Melbourne player as a young woman. Thankfully it was a decade or more before I came along, so I don’t have to be concerned about having any Swans DNA.

  8. PP: “Next debate will see Biden just outright attack Trump and maybe some fact checking will happen.”
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    Won’t Trump simply pull out of the next debate? And, if he doesn’t, what possible format is going to make Biden any quicker on his feet? The only thing I can think of is if the candidates are permitted to have autocues or receive feeds through an earpiece. But no TV network is ever going to agree to that, and I doubt Trump would either.

    Now I must away.

  9. [‘Nigel Farage’s latest rally was disrupted after political activists lowered a remote-controlled banner showing Vladimir Putin behind him while he spoke.

    While talking at The Columbine Centre in Walton-on-the-Naze in Essex, the Reform UK leader was initially unaware that the Russian president was on the poster, with the words ‘I heart Nigel’ written below.’

    He can be heard asking “Who put that up there?” before joking: “Someone at The Columbine Centre needs to get the sack”. Two staff members attempted to get rid of the banner, while audience members cheered and chanted “Rip it down”.’]

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/led-by-donkeys-nigel-farage-reform-putin-b2571256.html

  10. Sadly I think it’s over for Biden but I agree with MB let’s see what happens over the next month. I just don’t think Biden can recover after he was so obviously exposed in the debate.

    I’d like to see Biden stay on as President but decide not to recontest and then someone come forward to nominate, like Pritzker.

  11. Princeplanet: “President Joe obviously had shocker in the debate with facts and figures, he should have done better or maybe just abandoned that line and straight out attacked Trump.”

    The best explanation I’ve heard for that performance was that Biden’s head was stuffed too full of facts and figures and it all became a big mess as he tried to get it all out. That he didn’t come prepared for a debate that was against Trump, and his firehose of lies and personal insults.

  12. A hypothetical Democrat governor or senator aged about 60 with mainstream opinions would beat trump.

    The problem is what to do about Kamala? The democrats have to decide can they win with Kamala or would she graciously step aside ?

    It’s not just deciding to replace Biden but how they do it which is critical.

    If they can do it well – I am pretty confident the democrats win against trump.

  13. Not only did Kinky Friedman like cats, have a cool band and wrote cracking crime novels, he was also a politician having run for office as a Republican with the slogan ‘how hard can it be?’. When that didn’t work, he tried as an independent, then became a Democrat. He famously said he supported gay marriage ‘because gay people should have the right to be as miserable as the rest of us’.

  14. C@tmomma at 8.47am

    The best explanation I’ve heard for that performance was that Biden’s head was stuffed too full of facts and figures and it all became a big mess as he tried to get it all out. That he didn’t come prepared for a debate that was against Trump, and his firehose of lies and personal insults.

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    I think the Biden camp’s first excuse was that he had a cold, then there was something about feedback or repeating in his earpiece, have they now landed on “Joe was actually *too* prepared”?

    It’s ok to call a spade a spade – Biden’s cognitive condition is shot. That was what manifested in his rambling, incoherent debate performance. It’s a terrifying prospect that the choice of leader of the free world is between two utterly unfit individuals, but here we are.

  15. Agree with that stinker.

    How are either of these people going to be able to handle the 3am emergency in the White House situation.

    “Mr. President – we have jets scrambled to shoot down the plane on your order”

    The President “what plane? I’m getting on a plane ?”

  16. The SCOTUS is at it again:

    [‘The Supreme Court has upended a 40-year-old decision that made it easier for the United States federal government to regulate the environment, public health, workplace safety and consumer protections, delivering a far-reaching and potentially lucrative victory to business interests.

    On Friday, the court’s six conservative justices overturned the 1984 decision colloquially known as Chevron, long a target of conservatives. The liberal justices were in dissent.

    Billions of dollars are potentially at stake in challenges that could be spawned by the high court’s ruling. President Joe Biden’s administration’s top Supreme Court lawyer had warned such a move would be an “unwarranted shock to the legal system”.

    The heart of the Chevron decision says federal agencies should be allowed to fill in the details when laws are not crystal clear. Opponents of the decision argued that it gave power that should be wielded by judges to experts who work for the government.

    “Courts must exercise their independent judgment in deciding whether an agency has acted within its statutory authority,” Chief Justice John Roberts wrote for the court.’]

    https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2024/6/28/us-supreme-court-weakens-federal-regulators-in-boost-for-business

  17. Why would Speers ask Marles if Biden is too old for the job? Marles doesn’t get the vote in the presidential elections. And what is he expected to say? Yes? No?

    Seriously.

  18. Mavis at 9.05am

    The Chevron doctrine is something that’s been thoroughly rejected in Australian law, and has always struck me as something that is really hard to reconcile with a separation of powers. I suppose we will see how it plays out over time, but the idea of the Courts interpreting the law themselves without having to defer to the interpretation offered by the executive seems so uncontroversial as a principle that it’s hard to fathom how Chevron was ever a thing (it’s all a bit more nuanced than that, but in a nutshell that’s where it now lands).

  19. I haven’t seen Marles interviewed for some time. He’s improved immeasurably since the last interview I saw with him.

  20. Although the sharks appear to be circling Biden, I think he’ll survive. This is not a bad line: My dad used to say, “Joey, don’t compare me to the Almighty. Compare me to the alternative.”

  21. It’s terrible to say but the history and legacy of racism in the US is a factor.

    Obama was perceived as more White. Harris is perceived as more Black. Obama also had that star quality from the get go – Harris obviously not.

    In terms of racist tropes that’s actually worse- think “uppity black woman”.

  22. Betcha the Greens attempt another Palestine recognition stunt to destroy the career of a young West Australian Senator.

  23. Chalmers all over the media today saying interest rates should not go up but his handpicked gov at the reserve bank clearly thinks otherwise.
    23 billion hey Jimbob most into the hands of lower payed who will spend it all as they always do because they have to.

    Economy been tanking for two years most recent growth 0.1.


  24. Lars Von Trier says:
    Sunday, June 30, 2024 at 9:18 am

    Feeling perky for Newspoll tonight frednk? I am thinking 53-47 to the ALP.

    Lars I am getting very worried about international events.

    Locally I don’t expect polls to move. People like me might get very excited about the batshit bullshit coming out of the Liberals re Nuclear. I expect most don’t care.

  25. What a choice for US voters….an essentially honest, decent and functioning old man versus a corrupt, self-seeking old man. The choice is not just one of the US but the rest of us who are not interested in Russian/Chinese/Iranian/North Korean/Hungarian regimes.
    Interesting thing though…..It was amazing how the recently departed Queen Elizabeth was able to continue her duties (as she saw them) way passed the age of 80. There were calls for her to abdicate but she studiously ignored them. And while in the UK, Churchill resigned as PM in 1955 at age 81 I think. However he remained a parliamentarian until a year before he passed away.
    Age, of itself is not an issue…………………..Perception – based on one TV programme decides fates it seems in the US.

  26. Payoff should go join the Greens.

    Meanwhile West Aussies are watching a radical West Aussie cause more chaos for Labor.Vote killer yet another.

    Good to see a west Aussie do his duty yesterday by failing to score for Swans against Dockers in kick after the siren to win the match.

  27. Senator Payman has a very balanced view on the ME – in line with ALP policy -and as she says, in line with Labor values of justice.

  28. sprocket_

    She said she is going to cross the floor again whenever she feels like it. That surely won’t be tolerated.

    And she’s gone on to say some even more self-damaging stuff. She’s cactus.

  29. If Payman keeps crossing the floor against the Caucus decision, the matter may well be taken out of her hands.

  30. Joe Biden has been a criminal lowlife his entire public life, 54 years in Washington.
    The Dems are gonna steal it again anyway, so what does it matter that Joe is 92% brain dead?
    I think the goal here is to dump Harris.
    The spectre of Hillary Clinton looming in the wings.

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