The fortnightly Essential Research poll is one of the more encouraging sets of recent polling numbers for Labor, finding them up three on the primary vote to 32% with the Coalition up one to 34%, the Greens down two to 11%, One Nation down one to 7%, and the undecided component steady at 7%. Labor has its nose back in front on the pollster’s 2PP+ measure, up one to 47% with the Coalition down two to 46% and the remainder undecided. Anthony Albanese also improves on the monthly leadership ratings, up three on approval to 43% and down three on disapproval to 46%, while Peter Dutton is up one on approval to 42% and down one on disapproval 41%.
Also featured are some particularly interesting results on US politics, including a finding that Donald Trump was viewed more favourably in the survey period than he had been after the 2020 election (but before January 6). Trump was viewed favourably by 36% and unfavourably 56%, compared with 20% and 72% in 2020, and 23% felt Australia’s relationship with the United States would improve under Trump compared with 37% who felt it would worsen, the corresponding results last time being 7% and 63%.
A very occasional series of questions on unions suggests they are strongly supported, with 64% rating them important to working people today and 26% rating them unimportant, respectively up four points and two points, and a 63-37 split recorded in favour of them being good for the economy over bad. A third of respondents felt Labor was too close to the unions, another third felt the balance was about right, 10% thought they weren’t close enough, and the remainder weren’t sure. Labor scored higher than the Coalition on a series of questions involving the rights of workers, including a slight edge on the question of “ensuring unions are operating ethically”, with Labor favoured by 27% and the Coalition favoured by 23%. The poll was conducted Wednesday to Sunday from a sample of 1137.
The weekly Roy Morgan poll has Labor leading 50.5-49.5 on its respondent-allocated two-party measure, and by 51-49 when it applies preference flows from 2022. The primary votes are Labor 30.5% (down one), Coalition 37.5% (down two), Greens 13% (steady) and One Nation 6.5% (up one-and-a-half). The poll was conducted Monday to Sunday from a sample of 1652.
dave @ #494 Thursday, August 1st, 2024 – 9:32 pm
Which only goes to show what a humourless lot The Greens and the supporters of the Ultra Right On! have become these days. I’m being targeted because I said that watching boring videos is suitable punishment for not wanting to…and here’s the non-sensical part of Lordbain’s criticism of me…become a Worker!
Oh, and guess what the best support for the Lower and Middle Class is from the party of the Worker? A job!
So, it’s not ‘a devastating point’ at all. It’s an epic fail on your part, Lordbain. I’m proud of advocating for employment for the unemployed, because I know that there’s nothing more mind-numbing, depressing and mentally debilitating, than not having a job, and the money that goes with it, when all your peer group around you do.
And here we have that proud proud proud laborite C@t… literally parroting Coalition phrases when discussing employment.
Lars would have a field day…
What’s next C@t… people should just move to where jobs are, regardless of the type of job it is. Let’s uproot people and shift them around to fuel the almighty economy… and hey, let’s keep ignoring that fun little issue of the modern capitalist system requiring an unemployment rate…
because I know that there’s nothing more mind-numbing, depressing and mentally debilitating, than not having a job, and the money that goes with it, when all your peer group around you do.
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I don’t know about that. During my only bout of unemployment I read half the Canon. But those were the days when it was socially acceptable for the unemployed to spend their time surfing or reading or in other contemplative activities.
Jesus Christ cat, so poor people should just get a job. Lifters and leaners eh?
its hilarious how rustedons like you and BW get all upset when people accuse Labor or being same same or liberal lite, and yet here you are actually trying to defend government policy that deliberately requires a portion of people to be unemployed, pays them a support payment that’s universally agreed is not enough to live on and is a barrier to obtaining work, and now you’re defending a system which subjects those same people to pointless and humiliating courses and other mutual obligations
You are literally defending coalition policy here. Do you call yourself a progressive? Because you sure as hell sound like the coalition with your defence of the indefensible
At least Joe hockey never pretended he wasn’t a bastard…..
Kirsdarke @ #498 Thursday, August 1st, 2024 – 9:36 pm
Are you actually speaking factually, Kirsdarke? You have a Masters degree, are 64, but were made to go into the job provider every day for 12 weeks to watch yoga videos and TED-talks from billionaires with trust funds!?! And the only job you were offered was stacking shelves at Coles, even though you have a bad back and a hernia!?! Really?
Lordbain is honestly looking more and more like a socialist at this point, and I agree with C@t. Wonders never cease, I guess 😉
Edit: to prevent sounding ableist, I don’t even pay taxes yet. Don’t judge.
Holy shit, C@t doesn’t know how these places work… Kirk is entirely accurate; job providers don’t give a shit about your qualification and experience. You are just another pay check, so you get the same shitty courses, the same check list of bullshit (doesn’t matter if your 28 or 68) and you certainly don’t get a tailored package.
Your statements questioning Kirk prove just how out of touch you are on this topic…
dave says:
Thursday, August 1, 2024 at 9:30 pm
The country needs workers! So if you don’t want to contribute then watching boring videos is suitable punishment I reckon!
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And those boring videos are paid for by the taxpayer and the money go to multinationals who have invested in the unemployment industry in a big way.
I think the cost of managing the unemployed is almost as much as what the unemployed get in benefits!
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That’s about right, last time i looked the cost of agency contracts was something like $5billion and the unemployment benefit cost was about the same. I certainly think there would be considerable budget savings if you removed the private agencies, mutual obligations and all the associated compliance costs.
Currently work for the dole is an ‘activity’ – able bodied unemployed have to complete a required activity every 6 months after 9 months on the dole. These activities are in addition to the points targets and job applications.
Activities include volunteer work, training and courses – work for the dole is the default activity if you dont pick anything else.
My understanding is those on the DES scheme don’t have to do it but still have other obligations.
The government does not think watching boring videos is enough punishment enough. The unemployed also have to be punished to live below the poverty line. During a cost of living crisis they bragged about their surplus but they would not raise the unemployment benefit.
C@tmomma-
“ Oh, and guess what the best support for the Lower and Middle Class is from the party of the Worker? A job!”
Scott Morrison –
“The best form of welfare is a job”
C@t,
No, that is not my personal situation, but it was the situation of 2 others that I was doing my last course with. They were in their 60’s, they had been laid off from their lifelong jobs and had to do this bullshit along with me. And since the pension age has been raised to 67, they have to do it for longer.
What was my personal situation was that I was offered a job as a cleaner at a caravan park while I have an untreated hernia and ended up being screamed at over the phone that I was being a job snob, even though I was applying for 20 jobs a month with no success. And now I’m doing my best to fight off this increasing depression that’s been setting in.
I honestly find it hilarious that people are advocating FOR unemployment! 😆
And then I just read this:
Jesus Christ cat, so poor people should just get a job 😆
Hey, guess what? If they got a job they would no longer be poor!
Oh, I give up. The Lunar Left are happy to just be howling at the moon for the hell of it and there’s nothing you can do to stop them.
Oh, and the Joe Hockey comparison slur? Water off a C@t’s back. 😉
Hey labor do not care about renters so why are they going to care about the unemployed?
Not sure what your on about out of sorts, considering I am a self confessed Marxist commie heathen…
And I can back kirk’s stories with those I hear from the tabletop community; plenty of youngsters who should be seeing psychs but instead are forced to jump through hoops for the “honor” of surviving one more week in a shared home because their parents are dead, their parents disowned them for the crime of being themselves, their parents can’t look after themselves etc etc…
But then this is the same person who thinks their personal experience of taking to someone in the US makes them a global expert on geopolitics and naval warfare in the 21st century…
C@t at 9.53pm
Hey, guess what? If they got a job they would no longer be poor!
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I offer no comment on this. I just want to quote it. It’s a remarkable thing for a supposed Labor supporter to say. But it’s also entirely unsurprising coming from c@t.
Butcher @ #509 Thursday, August 1st, 2024 – 9:51 pm
That’s not the same. Scott Morrison’s thesis was that welfare payments should be so low that they force people into virtual indentured labour, which was happening under his government. Poverty wages, no protections. Exploitation.
On the other hand, a good job, with good pay and conditions is completely different. I suspect you know this, Butcher. You just don’t want to acknowledge it.
If the poor got a job… they would no longer be poor?
C@t, have you heard of the concept of a poe? Because I fear I am getting got…
Stinker @ #514 Thursday, August 1st, 2024 – 9:56 pm
Of course you ‘offer no comment on this’ because you can’t fault my logic. So you go the simpering condescension line instead.
It’s OK if it’s for the ALP. Obviously.
This could be a
C@tmomma @ #511 Thursday, August 1st, 2024 – 9:53 pm
This should be unbelievable. Except with modern Labor it is just too believable 🙁
Hey guys, we solved the global poor! They just need to… get a job. One must assume that no1 poor has a job.
Bravo C@T, you just solved poverty!!
Kirsdarke @ #510 Thursday, August 1st, 2024 – 9:51 pm
Kirsdarke,
Have you informed the job provider that you have an untreated hernia? If not, why not? If so, and they have offered you an inappropriate job then you can take that up with your Local Member. You don’t just sit around getting bitter and depressed. There are things you can do.
As for the retrenched older people, they could do a couple of days a week of volunteer work instead of watching boring videos. Why don’t they?
Lordbain says:
Thursday, August 1, 2024 at 9:48 pm
Holy shit, C@t doesn’t know how these places work… Kirk is entirely accurate; job providers don’t give a shit about your qualification and experience. You are just another pay check, so you get the same shitty courses, the same check list of bullshit (doesn’t matter if your 28 or 68) and you certainly don’t get a tailored package.
Your statements questioning Kirk prove just how out of touch you are on this topic…
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Unfortunately for the job seekers, the experience with the Providers is really pot luck – you might get a good one who actually cares or, more than likey get a form filler/compliance one who pushes you through the system to get the $$. It also varies within providers with different case managers – you get a bastard who dislikes you and they can be vindictive, after all the individual case managers have all the power.
The biggest change with the new system was pretty much all the non-profits exiting the provider market and being replaced by a much smaller number of for-profit operators. This gives an added complication, that those who have a bad experience with a provider have little ability to switch to another. Around here in Butthole Victoria we has 6 providers under the old system, now there are 2.
C@t at 9.58pm
Of course you ‘offer no comment on this’ because you can’t fault my logic. So you go the simpering condescension line instead.
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But you make condescension so easy, c@t. You show your true colours with things like this – toeing a party line at the expense of vulnerable people (a position I would guess which 90 percent of Labor supporters wouldn’t support, but if the parliamentary party doesn’t have the guts to change things, you wouldn’t dare say otherwise).
I can fault your logic – there are people who can’t work for certain reasons. You’ve touched on it yourself – you’ve talked about your disability, and I take it you don’t work. But you’re alright Jack, so bugger anyone else who isn’t.
The Naru is believed to be 4.3 percent unemployment anything under that stokes inflation as it s now at 4.1.
Nuru- natural rate of unemployment or something.
So deliberate gov policy supports unemployment at 4.3 so does the reserve bank..
I’m not going to discuss my situation any further with you, C@t, that’s between me and my therapist. Hell, I shouldn’t have posted what my current situation is at all, but there you have it.
But this system you’re defending so vigorously is shit.
Kirk, sorry your going through it. I hope you find the peace you deserve with your therapist and support network 🙂
Stinker @ #523 Thursday, August 1st, 2024 – 10:03 pm
Can you just take your condescending misrepresentation about me and take a hike with it?
Like you care about ‘vulnerable people’. They are simply another tool in The Greens’ toolbox to take out and use and abuse for effect. What have people like you, and them, actually done for ‘vulnerable people’? I’ll be waiting over here for some evidence, over and above tea and sympathy.
Whereas, if toeing the party line’ means that I support what the federal Labor government have been doing to try and untangle the mess left to them in the Employment/Unemployment sector by the ~10 years of the previous Coalition governments, then I’m proud to say that I do. Do you want me to list what they’ve done? But I won’t bother because you’ll just dismiss it out of hand and sneer at it in your condescending fashion. I guess it’s worth it though to win a few more seats off Labor, eh?
Hey, you know what the greens haven’t done? Spout coalition propaganda to defend Labor retaining coalition employment policy…
Kirsdarke @ #525 Thursday, August 1st, 2024 – 10:08 pm
Well it hasn’t been for my son. As Dr Fumbles McStupid pointed out. I’m sorry that where you are it is. I wouldn’t put up with it, but that’s just me I guess. I never let the bastards win.
Pied:
NAIRU – natural inflationary rate of unemployment, you definition was right, but at times like this its apparently not the most reliable when the MPC is pretty high, as people will spend whether employed or not, because real wages and things, apparently.
But I will say further since I’ve already said it that the job provider person who screamed at me over the phone was sacked after I (and presumably others) made complaints, so at least there was some justice done there.
Lordbain:
I’m sorry, what the hell is your big issue with C@t’s opinion? That its a Coalition policy? That sounds partisan and spiteful to me, but that wouldn’t be the Greens
NAIRU
Non-Accelerating Inflation Rate of Unemployment.
It’s not the only measure used to set interest rate policy.
Holy shit C@t you didn’t just imply that Kirk… is “putting up” with a shitty system designed to hurt people while dealing with mental illness? You do realise these posts arnt going to be deleted anytime soon right?
But them again you have a history of implying that people just need to toughen up and get over issues like… depression, systemic punishment etc… makes me feel sorry for your sons if this is the messaging they received growing up… God knows mine didn’t…
Ok cat I’ll take it back, it’s not cowardice that prevents the ALP from raising the dole or ending the bullshit policies of mutual obligations, it’s because the ALP actively wants to punch down on the disadvantaged just like the liberals do. In much the same way that you couldn’t possibly tax the gas cartel at a fair rate but gotta keep the poor in their place
Seriously, go and re-read some of the absolute tripe you have posted tonight, and really reflect on it. It wouldn’t be out of place in a daily telegraph opinion piece or a coalition MPI speech.
Kirsdarke @ #531 Thursday, August 1st, 2024 – 10:18 pm
Good to hear.
Kirsdarke says:
Thursday, August 1, 2024 at 9:51 pm
C@t,
No, that is not my personal situation, but it was the situation of 2 others that I was doing my last course with. They were in their 60’s, they had been laid off from their lifelong jobs and had to do this bullshit along with me. And since the pension age has been raised to 67, they have to do it for longer.
What was my personal situation was that I was offered a job as a cleaner at a caravan park while I have an untreated hernia and ended up being screamed at over the phone that I was being a job snob, even though I was applying for 20 jobs a month with no success. And now I’m doing my best to fight off this increasing depression that’s been setting in.
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No job snobbery there – they can only expect you to accept jobs that are appropriate for your ability, but I know, they push, they threaten and bully and just wear you down, it is humiliating.
My suggestion, go see your GP and explain how depressing and mentally challenging they are making you. Odds on the GP will give you a medical certificate exempting you from obligations, particularly if you have an untreated hernia for up to 13 weeks. If at the end of that you still cant face them get another certificate.
Step 2 is to get on to Centerlink and get a Job Capacity Assessment, these have to be done every 2 years. If you put in certificates Centerlink will more than likley contact you for one anyway. Explain to the assessor about the issues, and combined with your age, they will no doubt reduce your required hours. Anyone with <8hrs a F/n has no obligations any assessment <15 to 30hrs a f/n has lower obligations/points so lower job search targets. They might even send you to a DES provider who are far better than the able bodied providers.
Step3 is is a nice message to local MPs – this actually works, particularly for a Centerlink/Services Australia hold up
Step4 – if you get really angry is contact the media – i know a certain journo who has published alot on job providers when the new system came in and I take credit getting 2 provider case managers 'moved on' after an article was published with information I passed on.
Out of sorts… if you need someone to explain why a lefties would have issues with someone explicitly stating that the unemployed deserve to be punished, and that the poor are only poor because they don’t have jobs, from someone who purports to belong to the self described workers party founded on democratic socialism, who is also defending policy from the coalition… then what can be said?
@Dr Fumbles McStupid
Thank you for that information. So far I’ve done the Medical Certificate stage, so next I’ll be contacting MP’s. I’ve been on good terms with them in years past, I first remember being warmly invited into my local federal MP’s office to talk about an issue in 2008.
I’m a bit nervous about the Job Capacity Assessment though, since they’ve been screwing over both my uncle and sister for about a decade now, basically my uncle has a permanent foot injury that the people involved have been going “Hmm, hmm, nah, still fit to work.” and my sister has a permanent neck injury that has had similar results.
A male boxer has just injured a female boxer in the Olympics. Fucking ridiculous. So much for all the talk about gendered violence- it’s being supported by the IOC. WOKENESS and Identity Politics again.
PageBoi @ #537 Thursday, August 1st, 2024 – 10:22 pm
Oh, PageBoi, that’s such a trite and too easy criticism to make. I expect better from you. Or do I? I’ll have to have a think about that. ‘Punching down on the disadvantaged just like the Liberals do’!?! Because I advocated that the best cure for disadvantage is a regular pay-packet that lifts you and/or your family out of poverty?
PageBoi, sorry but I think it’s you who needs to reflect.
And, honestly, this easy resort to ‘Daily Telegraph opinion piece or a Coalition MPI speech’ is just an intellectually lazy slur at the end of the day. And meaningless, essentially. But, you do you. Because it seems that no amount of pointing out where your positions are weak will sway you from them.
So, that’s why I’m not going to respond anymore, as you seem determined to maintain a bitter and twisted pov against the federal Labor government, come what may. Enjoy your splendid isolation in Nationals territory and the Coalition governments that will come with continually working to tear down Labor governments. That’s the only result I can see from your continual efforts to this effect.
If you were laid off at 64, you should have saved up enough money in your working life to retire.
If you were involved in a costly and messy divorce, you should have thought more carefully about your choice of spouse to begin with.
Taxpayers shouldn’t be liable to bail you out for your own financial difficulties. Just like they shouldn’t have to pay for your chemotherapy and home oxygen when you spent your life smoking.
What Dr Fumbles Mcstupid said, better than me. 🙂
Kirsdarke says:
Thursday, August 1, 2024 at 10:08 pm
I’m not going to discuss my situation any further with you, C@t, that’s between me and my therapist. Hell, I shouldn’t have posted what my current situation is at all, but there you have it.
But this system you’re defending so vigorously is shit.
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In that case my advice is get a certificate from the GP so you can be free of the obligations and nonsense, you can keep renewing them if necessary. You realise that seeing a therapist is worth a 20 point reduction FWIW.
For those of us with genuine issues mental or physical that impact on the job seeking process, Centerlink itself works surprisingly well and has notably improved since COG.
The workforce provider system is primarily for the able bodied workers and you are with the wrong provider. The DES system is set up for those with ongoing barriers. The problem is nobody will tell you the process to get where you need to go or give any help to navigate it but for someone your situation should not be doing the WFTD activities and 20 jobs.
Yeh Page, you’ll be sorry when the Tories come back and… get to keep the policies that they put into power in the first place because Labor was too cowardly or self interested to remove them.
Man, how did we lose posters like Nadia for tripe like this…
Kirsdarke says:
Thursday, August 1, 2024 at 10:31 pm
@Dr Fumbles McStupid
Thank you for that information. So far I’ve done the Medical Certificate stage, so next I’ll be contacting MP’s. I’ve been on good terms with them in years past, I first remember being warmly invited into my local federal MP’s office to talk about an issue in 2008.
I’m a bit nervous about the Job Capacity Assessment though, since they’ve been screwing over both my uncle and sister for about a decade now, basically my uncle has a permanent foot injury that the people involved have been going “Hmm, hmm, nah, still fit to work.” and my sister has a permanent neck injury that has had similar results.
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The MPs are usually pretty good, I sent complaints to my Local MP, got a call back from the Office and they progressed my issue. This is from a very safe National member and was very impressive local member activity – did give a bit of a feel good factor too.
The Job capacity assessments are pretty tame if you are on jobseeker, given you are seeing a therapist and have physical issues they will most likley just reduce hours to probably <15 per f/n. They can get a bit more difficult if you are going for a DSP as it is the same assessment process but for job seeker they are pretty good as it is assessing a reduced capacity for work. The important thing is they will advise to shift providers and will officially identify issued and barriers to pass on to providers – works better than just your own word. If you got any questions just contact me off-line, I am sure WB can pass on my email.
Greens vs labor on here.
Just read the recent AFR conference was cancelled because Ministers Swiss air Shorten and Gallagher refused to cross the picket line of striking nine workers.
C@tmomma –
You should be a Labor MP. They always back the party line no matter how bad it is or how hypocritical it makes them. Like career politician Penny Wong who cried when gay marriage was legalised but voted against Greens trying to legalise it to toe the party line.
Just like you flipped on the S3 tax cuts when Labor changed their mind. Before that you would defend them to the death. You would do the same if Labor decided to ditch private job providers and go back to the CES.
Your political opinions lack conviction.
MelbourneMammoth says:
Thursday, August 1, 2024 at 10:34 pm
If you were laid off at 64, you should have saved up enough money in your working life to retire.
If you were involved in a costly and messy divorce, you should have thought more carefully about your choice of spouse to begin with.
Taxpayers shouldn’t be liable to bail you out for your own financial difficulties. Just like they shouldn’t have to pay for your chemotherapy and home oxygen when you spent your life smoking.
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Exactly MM, just like those born with disabilities, their own fault, should have chosen better parents.
Lordbain says:
Thursday, August 1, 2024 at 10:39 pm
Yeh Page, you’ll be sorry when the Tories come back and… get to keep the policies that they put into power in the first place because Labor was too cowardly or self interested to remove them.
Man, how did we lose posters like Nadia for tripe like this…
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I think the true act of bastardy was Morrison – as Minister, he was the architect of the new system to replace Job Network. The LNP issues the new tenders, guidelines and contacts, creates a truly for-profit model with much smaller number of providers and sets the contracts for 5 years starting July 2022.
The problem was, unless labor would rip up all the contacts, with no, doubt huge penalties, then re-tender to providers who had already shut down and let go staff in anticipation ceasing operation , oh and review the proposed system, old system to design something that works all between end May and July 1
What I thought was a bit poor from the ALP was the speed of the administrative changes that could have been made, most for the better but more improvement please.