Federal polls: Freshwater Strategy and Roy Morgan (open thread)

Two new poll results, one very grim for federal Labor, the other merely mediocre.

Two new federal poll results, one of which I reckon to be Labor’s equal worst result of the term, together with a Roy Morgan poll from early June:

• The latest monthly result from Freshwater Strategy for the Financial Review has the Coalition leading 52-48 on two-party preferred, out from 51-49 a month ago, from primary votes of Labor 30% (down two), Coalition 42% (up one), Greens 12% (steady). Anthony Albanese is down a point on approval to 34% and up four on disapproval to 49%, while Peter Dutton is down three to 34% and down two to 38%, with Albanese’s lead as preferred prime minister unchanged at 45-41. The poll was conducted Friday to Sunday from a sample of 1057.

• The weekly Roy Morgan poll has Labor with a two-party lead of 50.5-49-5 on respondent-allocated preferences, from primary votes of Labor 30.5% (up half), Coalition 37.5% (up one), Greens 12.5% (down two) and One Nation 5.5% (down half). The two-party measure based on 2022 election preference flows has Labor’s lead unchanged at 52-48, which is a little better for Labor than I would expect based on the reported primary votes. The poll was conducted Monday to Sunday from a sample of 1634.

Author: William Bowe

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, has existed in one form or another since 2004, and is one of the most heavily trafficked websites on Australian politics.

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  1. Surely by going into the government’s proposed scheme, couples would be able to add to their balance sheets, share in capital appreciation and have a stable home. By continually playing the rental game, they piss the money against the wall.

  2. Oakeshott Country says:
    Thursday, September 19, 2024 at 10:00 am
    BW
    Israel is a signatory to the convention and presumably could bring a case to prove there was a state player acting against it.
    The two countries that don’t have immediate access to the court are Palestine and the Vatican.
    But realistically Israel only has contempt for anything that the ICJ or UNGA passes – when you have a sugar daddy why would you worry about the Plebs.
    Sanctions might change Israel’s world view but they will never be imposed.’
    ———————–
    True.
    Iran sanctions might change Heshbollah’s, Hamass and the Houthis’ world view but they will never be imposed.
    Thus are the genocidal maniacs on both sides are free to play in the fields of Yaweh/Allah.

  3. ‘BK says:
    Thursday, September 19, 2024 at 10:40 am

    Taken in isolation, the policies and wishes put forward by the Greens all have a nice sound about them . . . BUT . . . taken as a whole, they amount to what could be described as an Escher fiscal model. Totally nonsensical….’
    ——————
    Nice visual explanation of what is happening inside Bandt’s head, IMO.

  4. Hanson-Young. Dutton’s new bestie. The Greens can’t help themselves. Given an opportunity to help Dutton, they do it.

    Coalition+PHON plus 4.5% in Bludger Track since the last election.
    Greens plus .3% in Bludger Track since the last election.
    WTF do the Greens think they are achieving here?

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2024/sep/19/australia-politics-live-nsw-gay-hate-inquiry-anthony-albanese-peter-dutton-labor-coalition-greens-housing-ntwnfb

  5. ‘Griff says:
    Thursday, September 19, 2024 at 10:49 am

    The super on paid parental leave bill has gone through with no amendments. Yay!’
    ——————
    Bandt must have been having smoko. Or he has just exhausted himself with two and a half years of screaming, ‘No!’

  6. Gosh remember the problems when we went from Gold to currency (the problem was the persistent belief that transactions had to be backed by a precious metal)

  7. “Bandt must have been having smoko. Or he has just exhausted himself with two and a half years of screaming, ‘No!’”

    Or he just passed government legislation.

  8. Rex Douglas says:

    “Abolishing cash will bring an end to tax dodging and welfare cheating.”

    It might do that.

    But they’re really penny ante stuff – with emotive overtones. The big problem with taxes is the huge businesses that legally avoid paying any tax while making big profits and paying big dividends to the wealthy few – all without carrying their share of the social obligations of operating in this country.

    Those big businesses don’t run cash accounts.

  9. Royal Doultonsays:
    Thursday, September 19, 2024 at 10:53 am
    “Risk management should make a backup plan.”

    So what is it?
    ————————
    Business should take cash if its system is down.

  10. Meher
    I am sure you are right, the banks are currently propping up Armaguard with significant subsidies. Soon they will be looking at either abandoning cash transport or charging for the costs of transactions and cash will die a natural death just like cheques and postal notes.

  11. FUBARsays:
    Thursday, September 19, 2024 at 10:18 am
    Private Schools save governments billions. Shut them down and everyone will be worse off.

    Government funding of private schools is not used to fund capital works projects – it is directly linked to the educational operations of the schools.

    If parents and friends of schools wish to pay extra fees and make donations – why shouldn’t they be allowed to do so?
    ___________________________________________________________

    My family walked with the principal of a Public School Monday afternoon for orientation for my daughter to attend, and this is not a rich area. All the better elements of the school, massive undercover play areas with basketball courts, gardens, and play areas were all donated by or built by the parents of the School. Without all these additions it would have been a pitiful looking school with many of the classrooms nothing more than dongas with add on verandas. I love the idea of parents being so involved with the school but it was just another example of how Governments of both persuasions can not make money work efficiently.

    You could take all the money from public schools give it to the States to distribute and it would be a fiasco. The Timbertop’s would still exist and the public schools with massive parent involvement will be the standout schools. The poor area public schools with massive extra funding would get limited results. It is just a fact that as good as a school may be it is the parents involvement in the child’s education will determine how well they will do.

  12. I like to carry a few dollars in cash for small purchases. Fifty or sixty dollars lasts a week or so.
    It makes sense to me, for instance, to buy a lotto ticket with cash so that on the rare occasions I have a small win I can get my prize in cash.
    Bankwest has closed its branch at my local shopping centre and removed two ATMs.
    Based on casual observations the branch was busy and there was often a queue at the ATMs … often older people like me!
    There are others ATMs there but it would have to pay a fee to use them.
    It’s only a minor in inconvenience for me to change some shopping habits. Others might not be so lucky.

  13. UK Cartoons and other miscellany

    Peter Brookes

    Nicola Jennings

    Morten Morland

    Matt

    Patrick Blower

    Going to Work is a 1943 oil painting by the English artist L. S. Lowry.

    Originally commissioned as a piece of war art by the War Artists Advisory Committee, it depicts crowds of workers walking into the Mather & Platt engineering equipment factory in Manchester, north-west England.

    Wayno

    Mark Parisi

    Shaun

    Tjeerd Royaards

    And for PB after Dark
    Jonsey

    ==========================================

    Stolen from the internet

    Proposal from a physicist?

  14. The clowns in charge of the House of Reps:
    A diverse group of House Republicans torpedoed Speaker Mike Johnson’s (R-La.) proposal to fund the government on Wednesday, dealing an embarrassing blow to the GOP leader and derailing his strategy to avoid a shutdown at the end of the month.
    Fourteen Republicans joined virtually every Democrat in voting against the spending plan — which paired a six-month stopgap bill with a measure that would require proof of citizenship to vote — bringing the final tally to 202-220, with two voting present. Three Democrats crossed the aisle to back the measure.
    The Speaker faced a troika of GOP opposition, with hardline conservatives criticizing the use of a continuing resolution; defense hawks voicing concern about the impact the long-term funding bill would have at the Pentagon; and moderates expressing worries about having a shutdown threat so close to the election.
    “I look at the spending, and I think that’s one of the largest issues that we have in our country, is $36 trillion in debt, and I look at a bill that’s continuing the excessive spending,” said Rep. Beth Van Duyne (Texas), one of the GOP opponents.
    The result was not a surprise: Johnson yanked a planned vote on the measure last week over widespread opposition, and a majority of those critics reiterated their resistance this week.
    The vote outcome, nonetheless, is putting the Speaker in a bind. It leaves the path to averting a shutdown unclear, puts him in danger of disappointing former President Trump and his conference’s right-flank, and threatens to thwart his efforts to remain GOP leader in the next Congress.
    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4887533-mike-johnson-funding-bill-fails-house/

  15. Griff
    The super on paid parental leave bill has gone through with no amendments. Yay!

    Excellent news! Down track, a lot if women will be far better off in retirement.

  16. GA: “You can’t abolish cash, think of all those poor drug dealers and bike gangs who will have their business model impacted.”

    OC has beaten me to it. The answer is crypto. Bitcoin made transacting with the Silk Road possible.

    However, you still need a backup plan in case of IT failure.

    And besides the government makes money from cash. All those $100 bills stored in suitcases under beds are losing value through inflation. (It has been a long time since I have seen a $100 bill – as soon as they are put in circulation, they are taken out by someone who wants to fill up a minimal amount of suitcases as possible).

  17. Douglas and Milko says:
    Thursday, September 19, 2024 at 11:19 am
    Griff
    The super on paid parental leave bill has gone through with no amendments. Yay!

    Excellent news! Down track, a lot if women will be far better off in retirement.

    Define “far better off”.

    Show me the calculations.

    If you said they’ll be a better off or a bit bettter off, I couldn’t argue. Claiming they’ll be far better off is laying it on a bit thick.

  18. Douglas and Milko @ #868 Thursday, September 19th, 2024 – 11:19 am

    Griff
    The super on paid parental leave bill has gone through with no amendments. Yay!

    Excellent news! Down track, a lot if women will be far better off in retirement.

    I feel humbled that a policy paper that I wrote 20 years ago has become a reality. Of course, I was one of those women who had to let their Superannuation dwindle away to nothing as I left the workforce to look after my disabled son, but, you know the thought just occurred to me at the time that it was so unfair that women have to drop out of the workforce for various familial reasons but men generally don’t and their Super suffers as a result. And guess who ends up with very little Super and often Homeless in Middle Age, especially if their marriage has gone south in the interim? Women.

    Bravo to the Labor Party. That’s why I love it. They care.

  19. the decision overnight by the US Federal Reserve to cut interest rates will put pressure on the Reserve Bank to follow suit, and given that inflation is predicted to be drop next week to within the 2-3% band, along with other indicators that suggest the economy generally is slowing, the RB may cut rates anyway.

    For a few years now we’ve heard that the “cost-of-living crisis” is hitting hard, and in many ways, I think that is the core reason for the government’s polling malaise. But in truth, this cost-of-living crisis has been easing for several months. Inflation dropped below wages growth at the beginning of the year, and petrol and energy prices have largely leveled off, after the steep increases of 2022 and 2023. Of course, your average punter will always say they are doing it tough, and no doubt many are. But the acute inflation pressures of a couple of years ago are no longer apparent.

    There are therefore likely to be at least two interest rate cuts ahead of the Federal election, with one this year and another in early 2025. This in turn should ease the polling squeeze that the government has been feeling. I’ve noted several times that even current polling doesn’t suggest such change from the status quo (the government only has four seats with margins less than 2%, the current projected swing based on most polling). If they lose all four (and don’t gain any) that’s obviously minority government, but if their polling improves along with the improvements in consumer confidence, Labor could yet be returned with an increased majority, as crazy as that sounds right now.

  20. Latest Population figures (current to 31-Mar-2024)…

    * Vic steaming ahead – highest raw growth figure in the nation
    * WA highest % growth rate in the nation, just ahead of Vic.
    * Oz Pop topped 27m at some stage between 31-Dec and 31-Mar
    * Internal pop movements, QLD continues to gain, pretty much at NSW’s expense. On an annual basis, NSW loses 31k and QLD gains 30k. WA picking up 10k, and interestingly NT loses about 4k which would be quite a significant % figure.

    Link: https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/population/national-state-and-territory-population/latest-release

  21. “Business should take cash if its system is down.”

    Restating the question isn’t an answer. How does a business take cash when the system is down if their cash payments depend on the system.

  22. P1: “William rightly told Boerwar to cease and desist with his grubby insinuations, which (to his credit) he agreed to do.

    It is therefore a little ironic that lordbain was the one who paid the price.”

    Lordbain was the only one connecting pedophile and Greens. No one else.

    And what price did he pay? Lordbain voluntarily left the blog.

  23. C@tmomma says:
    Thursday, September 19, 2024 at 11:37 am

    I was one of those women who had to let their Superannuation dwindle away to nothing as I left the workforce

    This is a very confusing statement.

    Leaving the workforce doesn’t mean that your superannuation should stop growing over time until you start using it following meeting a condition of release.

    As for men’s super continuing to grow while women are not in the workforce – if you separate from your partner you are entitled to a portion of their superannuation as part of a settlement.

    Are couples not a partnership? Do not their two superannuation entitlements amount to one whole?

  24. In Perth Precinct Atms are in the major shopping centers and some minor ones also they are free for all major banks and many more banks customers.

  25. goll says:
    Thursday, September 19, 2024 at 10:30 am
    FUBARsays:
    Thursday, September 19, 2024 at 10:18 am
    [Private Schools save governments billions. Shut them down and everyone will be worse off.]
    WRONG

    How? Private schools receive less funding per student from the State and Federal Governments than Government Schools do.

    [Government funding of private schools is not used to fund capital works projects – it is directly linked to the educational operations of the schools]
    WRONG

    How? Private schools receive State and Federal funding on a per student basis on a needs based funding model. They are audited to ensure that it is spent on staff salaries and such like – not capital expenditure.

  26. Private schools are businesses. It is wonderful that the government sees fit to pay the operating costs for a private business. It is also wonderful the money they make above the government largess is not taxed.

    My only gripe is that public money is paid to these businesses, but they do not provide a service to the entire public. Their preferred method to exclude the public that they don’t want to take, is to set the fees high enough it is out of reach to a large percentage of the population. No other excluder is necessary.

    Mind you they will make exceptions to the fee barrier. Scholarships being one. They pick the best and brightest from wherever to enhance their brand.

    Why, even Scotch College here in Melbourne has an indigenous program. The only recipient of this program, that I am aware of, is Cyril Reoli. Didn’t do the school brand any harm either, they did exceptionally well in the footy that season.

  27. “Yes. I helped develop some of them. But I also know how cash works.”

    This isn’t a question of how cash works though. It is a question of how cash works in businesses that are set up with internet-dependent payment systems. How do I pay cash at a self-service checkout if the internet is down? Why did some supermarkets and shops close during the recent outage?

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